George Fels Said

jjinfla

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In his June article in BD George writes about three pool greats and how drugs, booze, and the grind of playing long hours ruined their lives. And suggests that anyone thinking about turning pro should "run, don't walk away."

I just wonder with the new IPT and its success so far if he still feels the same way.

Or, is he like everyone else, waiting to see the start of the 2006 tour.

This tour just sounds so good for the players that it is really hard to believe it is happening and I am sure many of them are hoping they don't wake up from a dream.

Jake
 
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jjinfla said:
In his June article in BD George writes about three pool greats and how drugs, booze, and the grind of playing long hours ruined their lives. And suggests that anyone thinking about turning pro should "run, don't walk away."

I just wonder with the new IPT and its success so far if he still feels the same way.

Or, is he like everyone else, waiting to see the start of the 2006 tour.

This tour just sounds so good for the players that it is really hard to believe it is happening and I am sure many of them are hoping they don't wake up from a dream.

Jake

It doesn't happen with pool players only. Bad choices come from all walks of life. They focus on pool players like they are mainstream society and in reality , pool players take up very little space in everyday life. It is everywhere, not just in the pool halls.
 
showboat said:
Perhaps George should get out of the sport.....


Do you know who George Fels is? He didn't say that maliciously. He said that from years of time in a poolroom watching players self-destruct. The fact is, a significant chunk of the players out there have fallen victim to more than one vice. I'm only 34 and can point to a few guys who have lost their lives to drugs or alcohol and several others that lead lives that wouldn't be labeled as "prudent".

George Fels has done nothing but been an incredible contribution to the online community. He willingly answers all questions and does so politely and with respect. He's written several books that are helpful to players of all levels and he does all this for very little money.

You can say what you want but bear in mind, Mr. Fels has done more for the good of pool than most of the players the IPT rewards COMBINED and to think that pool is suddenly "legit" because of the IPT is about as clouded a thought as I've seen in a long time. Money doesn't make a sport legit or a worthy occupation. It doesn't clean things up. I can point to a whole host of sports that have had money only corrupt it from top to bottom. That isn't to say that this is not a step in the right direction. I'm just saying it isn't that simple and you shouldn't bash Fels as a defense to the argument.
 
Jude Rosenstock said:
Do you know who George Fels is? He didn't say that maliciously. He said that from years of time in a poolroom watching players self-destruct. The fact is, a significant chunk of the players out there have fallen victim to more than one vice. I'm only 34 and can point to a few guys who have lost their lives to drugs or alcohol and several others that lead lives that wouldn't be labeled as "prudent".

George Fels has done nothing but been an incredible contribution to the online community. He willingly answers all questions and does so politely and with respect. He's written several books that are helpful to players of all levels and he does all this for very little money.

You can say what you want but bear in mind, Mr. Fels has done more for the good of pool than most of the players the IPT rewards COMBINED and to think that pool is suddenly "legit" because of the IPT is about as clouded a thought as I've seen in a long time. Money doesn't make a sport legit or a worthy occupation. It doesn't clean things up. I can point to a whole host of sports that have had money only corrupt it from top to bottom. That isn't to say that this is not a step in the right direction. I'm just saying it isn't that simple and you shouldn't bash Fels as a defense to the argument.

Well, I was going to post but it would be hard to improve on this. Who is better placed than George Fels, one of the greatest living authorities on pool's landscape and history, to comment on the prospects that pool offers to emerging players today. His view isn't the same as mine here, but his views are always worth considering.
 
Well, I see my innocent question brought out two extremes. 1)All pool players are drug/booze addicted and 2) the IPt is making pool legit.

And here I thought George was referring to the fact that being successful in pool as a pro, that is being respected and earning a living wage, is not possible. And that is why they should avoid it as a chosen occupation.

I was just wondering if George Fels, and I ask him because he is respected in the field, if he thinks the IPT will bring respectiblity to the profession. At least enough for him to change his mind about people not setting that goal in life.

Of course the IPT pros will have to portray the proper image which they have all shown that they are willing to do. And once the season starts then KT will really get them to clean up their act. Start with a colon cleanse. Then a strict diet of organic food. etc.

But then I wouldn't be surprised to find out that people like Ralf, Mika, Neils, Johnny,Thorsten and others already are pretty strict about taking care of their bodies.

Jake
 
Dont knock George Fels!

It is ridiculous for a pool player to knock George and tell him to get out of the sport. George has been in this game for almost 50 years! He is the uncontested greatest pool writer ever. The people he was talking about I knew personally, and their lives were ruined by dope and booze. There is no telling where their careers might have taken them were it not for the jelly and the juice. I speak from experience. I took a 15 year dopers-leave-of-absence from my pool game, and my senses. The sad part is that it ocurred at a time when I was probably approaching my pool prime. Fortunately that is 20 years in the past. They dont call it "dope" for nothing.

the Beard
Merry Xmas and Happy Hanukah.
 
jjinfla said:
Of course the IPT pros will have to portray the proper image which they have all shown that they are willing to do.

How do you figure? In the Mosconi Cup, played after the IPT event, Earl Strickland showed that nothing has changed when it comes to the ability of pro pool players to make their sport look undignified and second-rate.
 
sjm said:
How do you figure? In the Mosconi Cup, played after the IPT event, Earl Strickland showed that nothing has changed when it comes to the ability of pro pool players to make their sport look undignified and second-rate.

True SJM but I thnk Earl is a very special case. He is no doubt "ill" I dont think there are many others in his category.

I heard from a fairly good source that he has already been warned by the IPT. I have full confidence that Earl still will not be able to control himself and will be outta there by mid 2006.
 
Nostroke said:
True SJM but I thnk Earl is a very special case. He is no doubt "ill" I dont think there are many others in his category.
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if he continues to get pasted in 8ball, he may very well give up, whine, and get kicked out(IF he's been warned).

but if he starts winning in 8ball, then you will see that earl is not as "ill" as you think.
 
THUMBS UP for Geouge Fels being in Hall Of Fame

freddy the beard said:
It is ridiculous for a pool player to knock George and tell him to get out of the sport. George has been in this game for almost 50 years! He is the uncontested greatest pool writer ever. The people he was talking about I knew personally, and their lives were ruined by dope and booze. There is no telling where their careers might have taken them were it not for the jelly and the juice. I speak from experience. I took a 15 year dopers-leave-of-absence from my pool game, and my senses. The sad part is that it ocurred at a time when I was probably approaching my pool prime. Fortunately that is 20 years in the past. They dont call it "dope" for nothing.

the Beard
Merry Xmas and Happy Hanukah.

Thank you Freddy! I was actually disturbed :mad: at what some of the others have said about George, so much so, I had to wait before writing anything. You know let the madness sit a while and cool down a bit. Anyone who knows me, will tell you I hardly ever get mad at things. But anyone who thinks George Fels should get out of the game or that he is past his time, whether you like what he writes or not needs their head examined. Some of you do mention extremes, but the fact is he is great for the sport.

I'll state this for the record right now...George Fels deserves to be in the Hall Of Fame and should be in line for it before many of the active players on any tour in any country.

Give your post a THUMBS UP if you agree! I would love to know if others feel this same way.
 
Donovan said:
Thank you Freddy! I was actually disturbed :mad: at what some of the others have said about George, so much so, I had to wait before writing anything. You know let the madness sit a while and cool down a bit. Anyone who knows me, will tell you I hardly ever get mad at things. But anyone who thinks George Fels should get out of the game or that he is past his time, whether you like what he writes or not needs their head examined. Some of you do mention extremes, but the fact is he is great for the sport.

I'll state this for the record right now...George Fels deserves to be in the Hall Of Fame and should be in line for it before many of the active players on any tour in any country.

Give your post a THUMBS UP if you agree! I would love to know if others feel this same way.
Thumbs up Mr.D
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Donovan said:
Give your post a THUMBS UP if you agree! I would love to know if others feel this same way.


His book "Mastering Pool" was the first (that I saw anyway) that took a serious look at advanced techniques. As a young man that book was what took me to the next level.
 
jjinfla said:
Well, I see my innocent question brought out two extremes. 1)All pool players are drug/booze addicted and 2) the IPt is making pool legit.

And here I thought George was referring to the fact that being successful in pool as a pro, that is being respected and earning a living wage, is not possible. And that is why they should avoid it as a chosen occupation.

I was just wondering if George Fels, and I ask him because he is respected in the field, if he thinks the IPT will bring respectiblity to the profession. At least enough for him to change his mind about people not setting that goal in life.

Of course the IPT pros will have to portray the proper image which they have all shown that they are willing to do. And once the season starts then KT will really get them to clean up their act. Start with a colon cleanse. Then a strict diet of organic food. etc.

But then I wouldn't be surprised to find out that people like Ralf, Mika, Neils, Johnny,Thorsten and others already are pretty strict about taking care of their bodies.

Jake
Dope and booze are just a way of life for a big part of society in general these days. Is it in pool? sure it is, but it is not the big problem with pools econonomic state. Not everybody who plays pool is a drunk or some kind of addict. It is like saying, well he plays real good, what's wrong with him, or whats he on.
Is the IPT going to change pool forever? I hope so, but since there is no long term plan, probably not. Sure the money is good and might change afew players way of life. What happens though when the smoke clears?
I read the other day about Lotteries. Most who hit the lottery, within two years, are back to their normal lifestyles.
What happens in three years if nobody else comes along with 28 million or whatever the nimber is? Players will be right back where they were within just a few short months.
I am not a KT basher and could care less about his past. I do not wish antthing bad for the IPT, in fact i am as excited about it as anyone and hope to get invoved in it. Still, this is what looks to me as an experiment and not a long time project or anything anyone has talked about. Few ventures really get off the ground without good, solid, old fashioned Bussines Plans which include Short, Mid, and Long Term plans.
Part of the short term, shoulld be a schedule. How do you worry so much about qualifying for something that doesn't have a schedule. It's okay though, because it doesn't have a schedule either.
Activities and details are usually what makes for success. Money is the result.
Those who try to manage results always seem to have fires burning all over the place. Those who manage activities and details always have answers and give the appearance of one is who is very organized.
This is a tough time of year to be introducing and making plans. People are just too scattered and distracted. I'm sure their will be much to come inthe next 10 days.
A lot of people are really banking on this and I hope it works out well for each and every one of them.
 
> George has been around the game long enough to know exactly what he is talking about,and relates that through his impeccable writing skills and unique style better than probably anyone the world has ever seen,or will ever see. To me,anyone that bashes him,not that I am saying anyone here is,is like bashing the Pope,I have that much respect for him. If Fats can get in voted into the HOF for Meritorious Service,for basically bullshitting the whole planet,how can George NOT get in based on the unconditional love for the game,honesty,experience,humor and insight he has injected to every sentence he has ever written about the sport? Tommy D.
 
Hall of Fame for George

Donovan said:
I'll state this for the record right now...George Fels deserves to be in the Hall Of Fame and should be in line for it before many of the active players on any tour in any country.

Give your post a THUMBS UP if you agree! I would love to know if others feel this same way.

Well said, and this subject is long overdue for consideration. We all take George for granted. His insights and observations give life and credibility to our game. Doesn't it feel pretty good if you get your name mentioned in one of his columns? Hall of Fame? You kidding? And right now. He's waited long enough.

the Beard
Merry Xmas, and Happy Hanukah. Bank on, brother, and a Hall of Fame nomination and selection for Mr. Fels.
 
But how can you take a man serious who plays pool in his underwear in a high rise overlooking Lake Michigan with the drapes open?

Jake

Before you jump all over me that was in one of his columns a ways back and I am only joking anyway.

But I suppose I won't get an answer to my original question. Would he recommend pool as a career choice for someone if that person could get into the IPT?

It's pretty hard to reject the idea out of hand since the players will be guaranteed $100,000 if it comes to pass.

Merry Christmas to all

Jake
 
jjinfla said:
But how can you take a man serious who plays pool in his underwear in a high rise overlooking Lake Michigan with the drapes open?

Jake

Before you jump all over me that was in one of his columns a ways back and I am only joking anyway.

But I suppose I won't get an answer to my original question. Would he recommend pool as a career choice for someone if that person could get into the IPT?

It's pretty hard to reject the idea out of hand since the players will be guaranteed $100,000 if it comes to pass.

Merry Christmas to all

Jake


OK, the joking thing is understood. You should probably say *just kidding* in the future. LOL

It would be hard for someone who has seen as much as he has to answer that without a little more time to pass. I mean the IPT is just too new still. BUT WE ARE ALL HOPING IT WORKS OUT! I'm sure he has seen many things look real good and have great intentions, but then fall short from some oversight. Plus, how can you recommend a career in pool for the IPT, only a couple of people can call it that so far LJJ, Sigel, and Reyes. No one else has really got paid big bucks yet. Like I said it is just too new.
 
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