Girls Get The 7 Ball For $10,000 to $50,000

[BPG24]

Did I just see the WPBA Police Chief comment on someone else's post being biased?

Now that is hilarious

 

[watchez]

I agree that the women would need a spot. So do they by the way which is why I think it is so weird that there is so much woman-woofing...as though they were running around shouting that they can beat the men.

But the 8 vs. the last 3 is a HUGELY different spot. The 8 will only make a difference in one rack in ten. It's almost a "sucker spot." But the last 3 will make a difference at least one third of the time.


Regards,
Jim

Using your line of thinking & the last 3 will make a difference 1/3 of the time...

which is more - the last 3 or the 7?

It all depends on the caliber of player & if the extra money ball for combos means more vs the last 3.

If you don't get to shoot, none of it matters.

I do remember the last time Reed came out of retirement. He came to STL and matched up with Gary Lutman. This is by far the best I ever saw Gary play and they went at it for 10-12 hours. They were playing 8 ahead and when Reed finally got to 7 ahead, the guy staking Gary asked Reed's brother if he wanted to bet $500 on the next game. Reed's brother said yes & Reed immediately became unglued. Reed was smart enough to realize that if this bet continued, they could lose 15 games or win 1. Reed's brother just wanted to bet & didn't think thru the situation.

Reed did wind up winning but did not play nearly the speed he did before. Maybe today he is a lil older & a lil rusty.

 

[av84fun]

I knew it wouldn't take long for the WPBA Police to show up and make some rediculous comment.

Based on $Bill's post, there is no woofing or picking on the girls going on here. It clearly states that it IS an offer to play them AND give up the 7 ball. After all the woofing you guys did at the men you had to expect one of them to step up. Well here it is.

BTW, where do you think Reed would currently rank among the top males today?

Well, you obviously don't know what woofing is. Bill's post was woofing, by definition.

As far as "you guys" don't include me. I've never woofed for a man/woman match. Who has?

Jim

 

[BPG24]

Well, you obviously don't know what woofing is. Bill's post was woofing, by definition.

As far as "you guys" don't include me. I've never woofed for a man/woman match. Who has?

Jim

There is a big difference between an open offer to play and woofing. I am sorry if you can't understand it.

What is really funny is how you take a shot at the size of Reed's member. You were leading the "Women rule the world" movement and this thread is a direct result of it. So go find your woman and get played. No need to insult reed for offering action.

 

[av84fun]

That's why i asked, genius

So many people on AZB think the Ladies play real close to the level of the men. So why not ask a Lady Pro what she thinks. This thread probably stemmed from all the trash talking about how the ladies play so close with the top 100 men in the world.

I don't see how me asking Sarah what would be fair between them can spark such a smart a$$ remark. It is just a question

No...genius...it was the MEN who were trash talking that no woman can keep up with the top 100...top 500 and in one case, top 2,500 men (50 in each state).

Some of us were just responding to that kind of lunacy.

Jim

 

[crawfish]

Bill, that is ridiculous that Reed only wants to give up the 7. I'm sorry to say that Karen, Allison, Jasmin...none of the girls can get there with that. I know he hasn't been playing as much or on the scene as much in the past but that boy can play, no matter how long the break. I know I had a real good time playing him a few years back in Mobile....oh wait, thats right, I shot once, I got to kick. Granted that was a race to 9 on a barbox, when he hits a gear...he really hits it. There are alot of good guy players that wouldn't even take just the 7 from him.

Sarah

Wow, we finally get to hear from one of the ladies that does have a clue. Thanks for being honest.

 

[BPG24]

No...genius...it was the MEN who were trash talking that no woman can keep up with the top 100...top 500 and in one case, top 2,500 men (50 in each state).

Some of us were just responding to that kind of lunacy.

Jim

You have a distorted view of reality son.

The threads I am talking about were started by you, johnnyt, etc. You can push off the blame all day but it will not change the facts.

 

[Cuebacca]

My New Year's Pledge is to not INITIATE an insulting post to anyone (and I have initiated a few...but not as many as some might think).

But from now on, if anyone points out that I IN FACT initiate an obvious and blatantly insulting post then I will resign the forum.

does he have a little willie or something?

So, are you going to resign now, or what?

 

[Williebetmore]

Wow, we finally get to hear from one of the ladies that does have a clue. Thanks for being honest.

Craw-man,
Of course, we haven't yet heard whether RP wants to take on any of these women if they have a designated man to break for them (I think we could find some backers for that kind of contest).

His offer basically says that he thinks he can break better than a girl. Little doubt about that.

Let the woofing continue.

 

[av84fun]

Using your line of thinking & the last 3 will make a difference 1/3 of the time...

which is more - the last 3 or the 7?

It all depends on the caliber of player & if the extra money ball for combos means more vs the last 3.

If you don't get to shoot, none of it matters.

I do remember the last time Reed came out of retirement. He came to STL and matched up with Gary Lutman. This is by far the best I ever saw Gary play and they went at it for 10-12 hours. They were playing 8 ahead and when Reed finally got to 7 ahead, the guy staking Gary asked Reed's brother if he wanted to bet $500 on the next game. Reed's brother said yes & Reed immediately became unglued. Reed was smart enough to realize that if this bet continued, they could lose 15 games or win 1. Reed's brother just wanted to bet & didn't think thru the situation.

Reed did wind up winning but did not play nearly the speed he did before. Maybe today he is a lil older & a lil rusty.

Mathematically, the "last #" of balls must always be superior to a single ball (called) where the single ball is equivalent to the "last #."

By that I mean that the 7 is equivalent to the last 3 (7,8,9).

Even with the spot ball is wild, I would GUESS it will only drop on the snap maybe 1 in 20 breaks. (the 9 goes once in 35 but is in a unique spot in the rack. I am just guessing that the balls racked next to the 1 would only go about once in 20.)

Regards,
Jim

 

[crawfish]

Craw-man,
Of course, we haven't yet heard whether RP wants to take on any of these women if they have a designated man to break for them (I think we could find some backers for that kind of contest).

His offer basically says that he thinks he can break better than a girl. Little doubt about that.

Let the woofing continue.

Isn't the break part of the game? Getting someone else to break simply proves the point more of the "matchup." That's kind of like saying, "I'll let your player play my player just as long as Johnny gets to play all tough shots for my guy." It's all a part of the game. Straight pool or one pocket don't involve a power break. Would they play that? Just curious of the response.

 

[Jimmy M.]

Mathematically, the "last #" of balls must always be superior to a single ball (called) where the single ball is equivalent to the "last #."

That would be correct if you forget to factor one extremely huge variable into your equation; you have to get down to the "last #" for the spot to even exist.

 

[Williebetmore]

Isn't the break part of the game?

Fish-man,
It is definitely a huge part of the rotation games - which of course is the main reason they are an absurd choice to measure the relative skill of champion players. As a way to observe the relative merits of men and women players, it is a terrible choice. A breaking contest between men and women is of little interest to most student's of the game. None of the members of the "Women Can Actually Play Good Pool Club" have ever proposed that they are able to break as hard as the best men players.

I absolutely agree that straight pool on tough equipment is a much better choice if your desire is to see the relative skill levels of the participants. I have no idea if RP is interested in that game, or that type of equipment. If he was, I would expect that appropriate backers could be found (heck, I might even throw the cash in if I could convince the right female to participate). Even if the female loses, you would at least see a competitive game. Backers for the breaking contest offered will be much harder to find, as Sarah correctly points out.

 

[av84fun]

There is a big difference between an open offer to play and woofing. I am sorry if you can't understand it.

What is really funny is how you take a shot at the size of Reed's member. You were leading the "Women rule the world" movement and this thread is a direct result of it. So go find your woman and get played. No need to insult reed for offering action.

Well...obviously you don't have a clue so you might want to stand down before you further embarrass yourself.

The OP's post was a WOOF and a "high roll" woof at that. The post was a TAUNT...."What is required of you and/or your backer is cash and a lot of heart. You will not have to sit and watch a player run out on you with the looks of a Minnesota Fats. Rather, the player you will be watching run out on you more resembles a Tom Curise. So, although you will probably "Dog-It" it will be a pleasurable experience."

TUANTING FOR A BET IS WOOFING....HELLO!!!!!!!!!!!!

And you are TOTALL FOS by suggesting that I led the "Women Rule the World" movement. Cite ONE single post wherein I suggested that women are the best players is the world. But why don't you save yourself a waste of time and just retract your idiotic statement.

Jim

 

[av84fun]

You have a distorted view of reality son.

The threads I am talking about were started by you, johnnyt, etc. You can push off the blame all day but it will not change the facts.

FACT....I am NOT your son...thank GOD!

FACT...I never started a thread or posted in anyone else's thread to the extent that I think women in general are superior players than men, in general.

Why do you distort FACTS? It makes you look foolish.

Jim

 

[av84fun]

So, are you going to resign now, or what?

1. Read the thread. The OP initiated a fundamentally insulting post (to women in general) by stating that they would get the 7 ball and then sit there and watch Mr. Reed run out on them.

2. In addition, I just aksed a question, I didn't make a statement.

3. "Willie" was General Patton's dog's name...who famously cowered when a Brisish lady's much smaller dog yellped at him. Prior to that episode, the dog's name was William... but Patton re-named him Willie for wimping out.

What did you think I meant?
(-;

 

[av84fun]

That would be correct if you forget to factor one extremely huge variable into your equation; you have to get down to the "last #" for the spot to even exist.

I think we're on the same page in the sense that weight is often over-rated. But my "equation" presumed getting to the weight IF it exists. With a single ball spot, the weight can disappear altogether...but with the "last#" the weight cannot just disappear...maybe the player won't get to it...but it can't disappear as when the opponent pockets the weight on the snap.

Regards,
Jim

 

[watchez]

Mathematically, the "last #" of balls must always be superior to a single ball (called) where the single ball is equivalent to the "last #."

By that I mean that the 7 is equivalent to the last 3 (7,8,9).

Even with the spot ball is wild, I would GUESS it will only drop on the snap maybe 1 in 20 breaks. (the 9 goes once in 35 but is in a unique spot in the rack. I am just guessing that the balls racked next to the 1 would only go about once in 20.)

Regards,
Jim

This is the last I will attempt to educate you since I feel you probably don't gamble all that much & have experience with spots due to your limited knowledge shown in your replies.

The extra money ball can drop on the snap - but can also be dropped on a 2 ball combination/carom. That will happen probably just as equally as making it on the break. And if it goes on the break, it can also go for the person giving the spot, thus taking it off the table and making it even.

The last 3 is not the 7-8-9.

Getting back to the subject....

By the way, I think that there are 100 men that could win against the top woman player gambling. 25 of them minimum would be Filipino, 10 from England, 5 from Europe, 2 from Russia, 3 from Taiwan/China - that only leaves 45 Americans/Canadians which I could easily list. The Filipinos & English also are not known for their breaking ability (except Bustamente) but wouldn't need it as Willie suggests.

Willie - who was it that Jeanette played 2 years ago at the DCC with Jeff Beckley breaking the balls? If memory serves me correctly, she lost but I can't remember who she played. I do remember sitting there watching it with Johnny Ross & him expertly telling me why she would still lose. Not enough gambling experience & not enough experience with the table condition compared to the women's tour. Johnny was calling out shots she was going to miss or come up short on shape almost 100% accurately.

I am not sure if the Hager-Jeanette match ever happened with Beckley breaking and her getting the 7.

 

[Williebetmore]

Willie - who was it that Jeanette played 2 years ago .

Watchez,
I'm not sure of the details...I sort of remembered a medium money match lost, and then a challenge for a HUGE amount of money with a designated breaker that was initially accepted; but the player did not show. I also believe that the designated breaker idea was developed because her back was bad enough that continued breaking for her was not an option at the time (and no one in their right mind would let George break for her against them).

What I do know is that JL at that time had just had her ninth major spine surgery just 4 months prior; and was probably playing at 50% of her previous speed (probably only 60%-70% even to this day). She has heart. No excuses from her, she just gives it all she has; definitely a competitor to be admired and emulated.

P.S. - I have in my mind that it was Hager and/or Brian Groce that agreed to play and then backed out....I could DEFINITELY be wrong. I could possibly investigate if you are really interested.

 

[Cuebacca]

1. Read the thread. The OP initiated a fundamentally insulting post (to women in general) by stating that they would get the 7 ball and then sit there and watch Mr. Reed run out on them.

2. In addition, I just aksed a question, I didn't make a statement.

3. "Willie" was General Patton's dog's name...who famously cowered when a Brisish lady's much smaller dog yellped at him. Prior to that episode, the dog's name was William... but Patton re-named him Willie for wimping out.

What did you think I meant?
(-;

I read the thread. You tried to insult Mr. Pierce, period. $Bill posted an offer on behalf of Reed. Mr. Pierce probably didn't even phrase the post, and the post was, in fact, entirely pool-skill related.

So, I'm not going to have a little "debate" with you on whether your post was meant as a "legitimate question" ( lmao ), or about some famous dog. Your post was a blatant insult, period. Just thought I'd give you a chance to take the high road and apologize to him for the remark, which was uncalled for. But since you have chosen to stand behind it, I'm not going to make it my problem. It is your loss.