Gold Crown IV Cushions/Replacements

Cardigan Kid said:
Is it too late to throw a wrench into the works and recommend Klematch p59 cushions?

The brand that is partnered with simonis cloth as the true pool experience.

http://www.simoniscloth.com/simonis-products/klematch-cushions

I have them on my table. True as can be.:thumbup:
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Try doing twist back banks, or double reverse cross side pocket banks....when they don't work, get back with me and I'll tell you why. In fact, try holding a bank short by banking hard into the cushion, see what happens.
 
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realkingcobra said:
Try doing twist back banks, or double reverse cross side pocket banks....when they don't work, get back with me and I'll tell you why. In fact, try holding a bank short by banking hard into the cushion, see what happens.
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I do it all the time. Hit with speed to hold it short. Can also do the magic trick with the double twist back bank side pocket. The rails perform great.

and the Klematch doesn't have to be installed upside down (cloth side up) like Artemis has to be :eek:

I still can't find the reason for that?
 
Cardigan Kid said:
I do it all the time. Hit with speed to hold it short. Can also do the magic trick with the double twist back bank side pocket. The rails perform great.

and the Klematch doesn't have to be installed upside down (cloth side up) like Artemis has to be :eek:

I still can't find the reason for that?
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Aren't those billiard cushions?
 
Cardigan Kid said:
I do it all the time. Hit with speed to hold it short. Can also do the magic trick with the double twist back bank side pocket. The rails perform great.

and the Klematch doesn't have to be installed upside down (cloth side up) like Artemis has to be :eek:

I still can't find the reason for that?
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I installed a test set on a Diamond table over at Bank a shot Billiards in Louisville, KY where some hall of fame bank pool players hang out, and with in 2 weeks was changing them out for the Artemis cushions as they didn't like how they played....but, what do they know.
 
realkingcobra said:
I installed a test set on a Diamond table over at Bank a shot Billiards in Louisville, KY where some hall of fame bank pool players hang out, and with in 2 weeks was changing them out for the Artemis cushions as they didn't like how they played....but, what do they know.
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I'm just bustin balls, Glenn. I know you don't like Klematch (Kleber).

But Simonis has taken them over and promotes them why?

I'm sure the Euros and Simonis know a thing or two about pool as well.

http://www.simoniscloth.com/simonis-products/klematch-cushions
 
realkingcobra said:
I installed a test set on a Diamond table over at Bank a shot Billiards in Louisville, KY where some hall of fame bank pool players hang out, and with in 2 weeks was changing them out for the Artemis cushions as they didn't like how they played....but, what do they know.
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ps...and does artemis have to be flat side up when installed? Why?
Just curious.
 
Cardigan Kid said:
ps...and does artemis have to be flat side up when installed? Why?
Just curious.
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Because when the rounded side is on the bottom the balls can't pinch under the nose.of the cushions, but the nose height can be set clear up to 1 1/2" and still play beautiful and as it is I set the nose height at 1 31/64"ths, which is a 1/32nd" higher than the nose height Diamond uses.
 
Artemis should just copy Superspeed's specs and get over it. Lol
It might become the better Superspeed.
 
realkingcobra said:
The P59 is a billiard cushion, thus the reason for the extremely high density rubber, same density as the P37' cushions, it's just that the P37' is a 4 sided cushion.
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A four sided cushion is used for billiard tables - and there is more rubber in a four sided cushion so for sure it will be more dense since there is more total rubber to compress.

The cross section alone shows more surface area in the billiard cushion P37....



and can we at least agree that not one 3 cushion table in the world will use the P59? That is a profile for pool tables.
I understand your reasoning with the same rubber being used, but it is clear that there is more rubber/more density in the 4-sided profile.

This was all info passed to me by the Simonis rep at the factory dealing with Klematch.
 
Cardigan Kid said:
A four sided cushion is used for billiard tables - and there is more rubber in a four sided cushion so for sure it will be more dense since there is more total rubber to compress.

The cross section alone shows more surface area in the billiard cushion P37....



and can we at least agree that not one 3 cushion table in the world will use the P59? That is a profile for pool tables.
I understand your reasoning with the same rubber being used, but it is clear that there is more rubber/more density in the 4-sided profile.

This was all info passed to me by the Simonis rep at the factory dealing with Klematch.
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No, we don't agree on that as I know of a Jamar Billiards manufacturer in Columbia, South America that uses the P59 cushions on their 3c billiards tables, and 90% of all tables in South America are all billiards tables.
 
Cardigan Kid said:
A four sided cushion is used for billiard tables - and there is more rubber in a four sided cushion so for sure it will be more dense since there is more total rubber to compress.

The cross section alone shows more surface area in the billiard cushion P37....



and can we at least agree that not one 3 cushion table in the world will use the P59? That is a profile for pool tables.
I understand your reasoning with the same rubber being used, but it is clear that there is more rubber/more density in the 4-sided profile.

This was all info passed to me by the Simonis rep at the factory dealing with Klematch.
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Which of the 2 cushions would you install on a Brunswick 5x10 billiard table....I'll give you a hint, the sub rails would have to be completely rebuilt to adapt the P37 cushions:cool:
 
realkingcobra said:
No, we don't agree on that as I know of a Jamar Billiards manufacturer in Columbia, South America that uses the P59 cushions on their 3c billiards tables, and 90% of all tables in South America are all billiards tables.
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seems like the bigger 3 cushion ball would hop quite a bit on p59

what does gabriels use?

so you are saying simonis/klematch make a p59 profile, just to market it to south american billiard markets?

Here is from their website where they only mention the p37 is for Carom tables.

Now available from Iwan Simonis Inc, KLEMATCH® cushions by Anvis.
The BEST!!
KLEMATCH® rubber is molded, not extruded, which allows for unmatched consistency throughout the entire piece of rubber, and from one piece to the next. This uniformity provides you with predictable and repeatable cusion rebound at every point of the table, and KLEMATCH® rubber will not dry out or get hard over time.
P-59 without canvas backing, 9-foot

P-59 with canvas backing, 9-foot

P-37 with canvas backing, 10-foot (Carom)


NOW ALSO AVAILABLE:

P-59 with canvas backing, 10-foot (direct replcement for antique Brunswick® carom tables)

They even have the pdf spec sheet available for download here:

http://www.simoniscloth.com/press/news/28/klematch-cushions
 
realkingcobra said:
Which of the 2 cushions would you install on a Brunswick 5x10 billiard table....I'll give you a hint, the sub rails would have to be completely rebuilt to adapt the P37 cushions:cool:
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My Gold Crown sub rails were completey rebuilt and extended for the p59 profile, so I would imagine the same would go for any old billiard table to accomodate new rubber.
 
I guess what this boils down to is that if and when I decided to have this done I will go with what my mechanic recommends. He is big into restoring old pool tables and I've been told he is a Gold Crown expert. So I am going to rely on his expertise in this matter.

r/DCP
 
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