Governing Body/Who;s the man ?

JAM said:
Yes, Doug, this thread has been done to death ad nauseum.
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Gosh Jen (may I call you Jen?), I wish you'd put some underpants on that bear in your avatar. Most of the guys are staying within the "boundries" and at the very least have thongs on their women in their avatars. I wouldn't want one of my grandkids coming in and looking over my shoulder and seeing nudity from the waist down :D:D:D

And for justnum (who seems to be perched high atop the Kevin Trudeau bandwagon): Let's not forget that KT has gotten into MORE trouble with the law later than the dates that Fran posted, yea even some post-IPT trouble. He's no saint so there ain't no reason to make him out to be, even if he tried to make pool better. Trying to make pool better shouldn't give ANYONE a free pass!!!

Jen, I hope you realize that I'm J/K about your avatar!!!

Maniac (call me Tony if you'd like)
 
Maniac said:
Gosh Jen (may I call you Jen?), I wish you'd put some underpants on that bear in your avatar. Most of the guys are staying within the "boundries" and at the very least have thongs on their women in their avatars. I wouldn't want one of my grandkids coming in and looking over my shoulder and seeing nudity from the waist down :D:D:D

And for justnum (who seems to be perched high atop the Kevin Trudeau bandwagon): Let's not forget that KT has gotten into MORE trouble with the law later than the dates that Fran posted, yea even some post-IPT trouble. He's no saint so there ain't no reason to make him out to be, even if he tried to make pool better. Trying to make pool better shouldn't give ANYONE a free pass!!!

Jen, I hope you realize that I'm J/K about your avatar!!!

Maniac (call me Tony if you'd like)
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LOL! So you like my dancing bear, huh?! :D

Here is the thing about Kevin Trudeau. It is easy for some to throw stones at him, now that the IPT is long gone, but believe me when I tell you that there were MANY pool peeps who then and now still appreciate what he tried to do.

What he's done in the past? Well, I'd like to look in the closets of a few members who post on this forum and spill their beans in public. There's several high-profile pro players today who don't have lily white hands, and there's a few scrupulous industry members who have worked behind closed curtains to advantage their own business interested instead of trying to help the lot of existing professional pool players by advancing the sport as a whole.

All players should be treated equal. The IPT accomplished this. The BCA, on the other hand, only helps those who benefit them. The rest of the pro players can just fend for themselves, scramble for crumbs, and not receive the same benefits as the golden sponsored boys do. It's business, you know. It's not about the betterment of the sport. It's business.

Do I think Kevin Trudeau is a saint? Nope. But what I do think is that he infused more money into pool trying to effect a change for the better, much more so than the BCA has. In fact, the BCA is going backwards now.
 
jason said:
JAM please make that avatar go away! I'm getting nauseous.
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If I have to look at the cracks in women's rear ends and fake sweat glands hanging off women's chests on other avatars, I think you can handle my dancing bear. :cool:
 
Maniac said:
And for justnum (who seems to be perched high atop the Kevin Trudeau bandwagon): Let's not forget that KT has gotten into MORE trouble with the law later than the dates that Fran posted, yea even some post-IPT trouble. He's no saint so there ain't no reason to make him out to be, even if he tried to make pool better. Trying to make pool better shouldn't give ANYONE a free pass!!!
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When the IPT started up a post like that would have had flamed you off the board.

This whole section was free PR for the IPT and Kev Trudeau.

Now everyone changed their tune since the money dried up.

People don't know what to think anymore, posters can barely get a grip on what is happening.

Unless people can drop the money they aren't worth the free press. KT spent big and deserves some credit. I prefer to give it after the fact.
 
justnum said:
When the IPT started up a post like that would have had flamed you off the board.

This whole section was free PR for the IPT and Kev Trudeau.

Now everyone changed their tune since the money dried up.

People don't know what to think anymore, posters can barely get a grip on what is happening.

Unless people can drop the money they aren't worth the free press. KT spent big and deserves some credit. I prefer to give it after the fact.
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Right on! :cool:
 
justnum said:
When the IPT started up a post like that would have had flamed you off the board.
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I can take the HEAT!!!

Kevin Trudeau is a crooked, scam artist. It's been proven in a court of law. Take pool completely out of the equation and this is the type of person most here in America loathe. You can think he is great because he did something for pool. I tend to hand out accolades to those who do something for HUMANITY. Just because he threw some illegally-earned money at the pool scene isn't gonna get him any of my good graces!!!

Yes Jen, I'm sure that many of the "peeps" whose pockets he lined would have good things to say about him. After all, in pool it's always about the money. Forget INTEGRITY, that went out the door a long time ago.

I'll say it again: Kevin Trudeau is a CONVICTED scam artist and a generally crooked person. But I'd be right there pulling for him IF he made his past transgressions right and became an honest businessman. He would first need to repay the people he scammed before giving any money to pool to make things right.

Maniac (flame on)
 
Maniac said:
I can take the HEAT!!!

Kevin Trudeau is a crooked, scam artist. It's been proven in a court of law. Take pool completely out of the equation and this is the type of person most here in America loathe. You can think he is great because he did something for pool. I tend to hand out accolades to those who do something for HUMANITY. Just because he threw some illegally-earned money at the pool scene isn't gonna get him any of my good graces!!!

Yes Jen, I'm sure that many of the "peeps" whose pockets he lined would have good things to say about him. After all, in pool it's always about the money. Forget INTEGRITY, that went out the door a long time ago.

I'll say it again: Kevin Trudeau is a CONVICTED scam artist and a generally crooked person. But I'd be right there pulling for him IF he made his past transgressions right and became an honest businessman. He would first need to repay the people he scammed before giving any money to pool to make things right.

Maniac (flame on)
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Uh, you'd be surprised who's been convicted in the past in our pool world. It doesn't mean they're bad guys. It means they made a mistake in judgment or had the priorities wrong. They did the crime and they did the time.

The pool world is better with Kevin Trudeau in it than not in it. Ask Efren or Thorsten what they think.
 
Maniac said:
I can take the HEAT!!!

Kevin Trudeau is a crooked, scam artist. It's been proven in a court of law. Take pool completely out of the equation and this is the type of person most here in America loathe. You can think he is great because he did something for pool. I tend to hand out accolades to those who do something for HUMANITY. Just because he threw some illegally-earned money at the pool scene isn't gonna get him any of my good graces!!!

Yes Jen, I'm sure that many of the "peeps" whose pockets he lined would have good things to say about him. After all, in pool it's always about the money. Forget INTEGRITY, that went out the door a long time ago.

I'll say it again: Kevin Trudeau is a CONVICTED scam artist and a generally crooked person. But I'd be right there pulling for him IF he made his past transgressions right and became an honest businessman. He would first need to repay the people he scammed before giving any money to pool to make things right.

Maniac (flame on)
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Well he is just one of the industry philanthropists. I say why just pick KT, let list all the organizers that have ever had a hard time paying out, paid out late, or did not pay at all.

I know an event fell short and a person had to once pay out of pocket for the prize money. Another person delayed payment. Those are billiard related errors, unlike KT his history is not pool related.

I am not interested in a flame war but lets make this history accurate about who props the billiards industry up. Because in America it is not the government.
 
justnum said:
You just couldn't sit there and not post?

You want to feel special, get on the phone and call the shopping channel.
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Be nice to Blackjack, justnum. His heart is truly in the right place, but I can't say that about some of the other IPT bashers.
 
JAM said:
Be nice to Blackjack, justnum. His heart is truly in the right place, but I can't say that about some of the other IPT bashers.
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I meant to say what is important is the direction that people go now and how to be productive and constructive in progressing towards that direction.

The IPT had upsides and downsides, hopefully people just remember the good times and build on them.

Sure mistakes happen but they shouldn't be limitations on what can happen in the future.
 
justnum said:
I meant to say what is important is that direction that people go now and how to be productive and constructive in progressing towards that direction.

The IPT had upsides and downsides, hopefully people just remember the good times and build on them.
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I like that line of thinking, Justnum. I agree! :)
 
JAM said:
The pool world is better with Kevin Trudeau in it than not in it. Ask Efren or Thorsten what they think.
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You have to know that I don't care what they think. If you can remember some of my past posts on the pool/money subject you would realize that I don't care if ANY poolplayer ever made another dime at playing pool. I just simply love the game and playing it with family, friends, and acquaintances. Why should money have to be the prime factor for endeavoring oneself into the game? If money taken from the hands of poor, unsuspecting innocents and placed in the hands of poolplayers makes you all jiggly inside, then you can feel all good about KT all you want. My heroes come from COMPLETELY different backgrounds and are in the humanity-serving business.

Pool, it's just a game, albeit a GREAT game. But then, so is X-Box, Monopoly, and Tiddly-Winks (not much money there ;)).

Work is for making money, games are for having fun (yes I despise the $$$ being made in professional sports, especially when an American combat soldier is making LESS than minimum wage).

It's all about priorities, and as much as I love the game of pool, it's not all that high-up on my list.

And certainly, whenever the word "integrity" is used, it's rarely in a sentence where the subject is pool. You cannot deny that pool needs a better image. KT was helping poolplayers wallets, not pools image.

Maniac (will now here other opinions but is through giving his)
 
Maniac said:
You have to know that I don't care what they think. If you can remember some of my past posts on the pool/money subject you would realize that I don't care if ANY poolplayer ever made another dime at playing pool. I just simply love the game and playing it with family, friends, and acquaintances. Why should money have to be the prime factor for endeavoring oneself into the game? If money taken from the hands of poor, unsuspecting innocents and placed in the hands of poolplayers makes you all jiggly inside, then you can feel all good about KT all you want. My heroes come from COMPLETELY different backgrounds and are in the humanity-serving business.

Pool, it's just a game, albeit a GREAT game. But then, so is X-Box, Monopoly, and Tiddly-Winks (not much money there ;)).

Work is for making money, games are for having fun (yes I despise the $$$ being made in professional sports, especially when an American combat soldier is making LESS than minimum wage).

It's all about priorities, and as much as I love the game of pool, it's not all that high-up on my list.

And certainly, whenever the word "integrity" is used, it's rarely in a sentence where the subject is pool. You cannot deny that pool needs a better image. KT was helping poolplayers wallets, not pools image.

Maniac (will now here other opinions but is through giving his)
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Man, you're all over the pool charts here! :D

Play pool and be happy, then. Professional pool is a dead fish in the water today, anway. There's not much to be happy about anymore.

Thank you, BCA, for representing the interests of professional pool in America. Soon American pros will be extinct, as they're currently an endangered species in the wonderful world of pocket billiards. Do you think the BCA gives a damn?
 
Maniac said:
I can take the HEAT!!!

Kevin Trudeau is a crooked, scam artist. It's been proven in a court of law. Take pool completely out of the equation and this is the type of person most here in America loathe. You can think he is great because he did something for pool. I tend to hand out accolades to those who do something for HUMANITY. Just because he threw some illegally-earned money at the pool scene isn't gonna get him any of my good graces!!!

Yes Jen, I'm sure that many of the "peeps" whose pockets he lined would have good things to say about him. After all, in pool it's always about the money. Forget INTEGRITY, that went out the door a long time ago.

I'll say it again: Kevin Trudeau is a CONVICTED scam artist and a generally crooked person. But I'd be right there pulling for him IF he made his past transgressions right and became an honest businessman. He would first need to repay the people he scammed before giving any money to pool to make things right.

Maniac (flame on)
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I agree with the sentiment here. Character matters. Integerity matters. Honesty matters. Nowadays, it seems that many do not believe this.

Sadly, the way these traits seem to be regarded these days, KT will probably run for president of the United States of America (or is that CEO of the USA???) and win.

The IPT certainly had some appeal and some interesting elements. But, in my opinion, if folks want a durable, lasting tour or organization, it must involve folks participating in something that they believe in. I may be old fashioned, but I don't think that the accumulation of money is the ultimate point of our time here on planet earth.

Yes, it is true that money helps make the world go 'round. Whether that world is a place worth living in is another matter altogether...
 
jalapus logan said:
I agree with the sentiment here. Character matters. Integerity matters. Honesty matters. Nowadays, it seems that many do not believe this.

Sadly, the way these traits seem to be regarded these days, KT will probably run for president of the United States of America (or is that CEO of the USA???) and win.

The IPT certainly had some appeal and some interesting elements. But, in my opinion, if folks want a durable, lasting tour or organization, it must involve folks participating in something that they believe in. I may be old fashioned, but I don't think that the accumulation of money is the ultimate point of our time here on planet earth.

Yes, it is true that money helps make the world go 'round. Whether that world is a place worth living in is another matter altogether...
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The people that are most affected by this issue are the pro players.

It seem about time they stop letting other people manage tournaments for them and get involved in the business aspects of running a tournament.

But that would require players to talk to each other, and if you've seen the flame wars on this board, that might be what happens when players have to work as a group to produce a tournament class or tour series event.

The best would be an organizer says you guys want to produce the event, fine I will just finance you but you manage all other aspects. The players would actually get to help grow the sport instead of just be "sheeped" into the slaughter house.

The players aren't proactive enough IMO, but most if not all organizers haven't given them the opportunity to play a managerial role. KT gave some influence to pool players but it was more for recruitment of players and room qualifiers than actual business work.

Despite how long they have been in the business, they need to take a chance on trying something new and different. And like they saw KT be prepared for failures.

Other pro sports do not let players into the managerial aspects of the business and leave them in the front end of the camera or for money raising activities.

From what I've seen the billiards players have enough on experience alone to put something together that would be agreeable for players. But they kind of seem only interested in playing a game for someone else. The "I just want to play pool" stereotype. Instead of the "pool is a business and it is in a really bad situation and the things I can do are just support the events that are working because they are the only source of income for what I want to do."
 
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