Grady....the Next FL?

[Mr. Wilson]

You need to go back and read Mr. Wilsons original post.....you frackn idiot.

Reading comprehension is an aquired skill.

You've made your leap in logic and jumped to a wrong conclusion.

Your conscience must be working on you, but if you can take the word "slander" and work it into a sentence that includes your name....have a ball


The original post was to try and get people to cool off and allow the people involved to resolve the issue themselves, but it appears the concept is beyond you.

But hey, you have yourself a wonderful day


Ha!

 

[Blackjack]

It's sad to see Grady bash some of the great names of this sport. Maybe you should consider another profession, Mr. Matthews, because you certainly aren't doing any good for us or pool. Don't be jealous or bitter just because your game is slowly dwindling to the stage of mediocrity. As far as your legacy goes, I won't remember you by your Color of Money appearance or your video tapes. The Grady Matthews I'll remember is the grouchy jerk who made a fool of himself on a public forum. I won't pay another dime for anything involving Grady, unless it's a match between you and McCready. You better ask for weight. Oh, and I always thought you had a goofy pool stroke.

It is posts such as this that convince me that these forums have outlasted their uselfulness. I use this thread as a prime example of why I do not wish to participate anymore. Don't worry, I'll make sure the door doesn't hit me in the rear end as I'm logging out.

 

[DaveK]

It is posts such as this that convince me that these forums have outlasted their uselfulness. I use this thread as a prime example of why I do not wish to participate anymore. Don't worry, I'll make sure the door doesn't hit me in the rear end as I'm logging out.

This is a shame. Your comments are valued around here I believe, and you will be missed if you decide to log out. I hope you stay, but if not, thanks for all your great insights and training materials !

Dave

 

[chefjeff]

It is posts such as this that convince me that these forums have outlasted their uselfulness. I use this thread as a prime example of why I do not wish to participate anymore. Don't worry, I'll make sure the door doesn't hit me in the rear end as I'm logging out.

Don't go, Blackjack, please.

Most here know Splinterhands is attacking people, not ideas. Why he does it, only he knows.

Just dismiss him, not the whole board, please, please, please.

Jeff Livingston

 

[JoeyA]

It appears that Splinterhands is biased like most of us. Grady Matthews is in the profession he loves and he belongs; just like Keith McCready.

As long as pool players are pool players there will be individual arguments and perspectives that defy justification. While I didn't hear any of the bashing you refer to Splinterhands, I do know that Grady is a MAJOR contributor to our sport and deserves our appreciation for his past, current and future contributions.

I enjoy Keith McCready and Grady Matthews and respect both of the men as MAJOR contributors to our sport as a whole. Splinterhands, your bitterness is unexplainable and should be reexamined by yourself. Grady is not in the same dimension as FL and you know it.

Warm Regards,
JoeyA (Wouldn't mind seeing a one pocket match between the two of 'em myself)

It's sad to see Grady bash some of the great names of this sport. Maybe you should consider another profession, Mr. Matthews, because you certainly aren't doing any good for us or pool. Don't be jealous or bitter just because your game is slowly dwindling to the stage of mediocrity. As far as your legacy goes, I won't remember you by your Color of Money appearance or your video tapes. The Grady Matthews I'll remember is the grouchy jerk who made a fool of himself on a public forum. I won't pay another dime for anything involving Grady, unless it's a match between you and McCready. You better ask for weight. Oh, and I always thought you had a goofy pool stroke.

 

[vagabond]

Splinterman,
Its possible you misunderstand the motives of many of the posters. We are in an EXTREMELY attractive position, given the state of the game. We are fanatics who, through the miracle of the internet, have access to the thoughts of the pro's - who have mastered the game we pursue so avidly.

When a pro goes off, most of us are willing to cut them slack (especially when they apologize); because THEY ARE CONTRIBUTING TO OUR PASSION FOR THE GAME. When posters come on here and hassle the pro's, many of us object - we don't want the pro's to pack up and go home. Will we cut them more slack than we do you or me??? Damn right.

I also wonder about your assessment of Grady's level of expertise. I've met and discussed pool with at least 5 players who have been world champions (recent and remote), and personally know several pro's. Who do I think knows more about pool than anyone I've met??? Grady Mathews, Danny DiLiberto, and SJM. I doubt any current player is even close. Let's cut them some slack and learn something about the game - knowledge of the game doesn't die with loss of your eyesight and reflexes. As long as these guys have enough eyesight and reflexes to allow them to type on the internet, I will continue to read their contributions.

Signed,
Ward Cleaver (my actual nickname from 1985-1988)

Hello,

Mega Mega Dittos
Vagabond

 

[Koop]

It is posts such as this that convince me that these forums have outlasted their uselfulness. I use this thread as a prime example of why I do not wish to participate anymore. Don't worry, I'll make sure the door doesn't hit me in the rear end as I'm logging out.

BlackJack,

I hope you are just making a point and not actually leaving. Your insights are greatly appreciated by the majority so I'm hopeful you won't let the minority drive you away.

Respectfully,
Dave

 

[Williebetmore]

It is posts such as this that convince me that these forums have outlasted their uselfulness. I use this thread as a prime example of why I do not wish to participate anymore. Don't worry, I'll make sure the door doesn't hit me in the rear end as I'm logging out.

Blackjack,
I, like most of the true pool fanatics would definitely be saddened to lose you from the forum. This is just a note to reinforce the notion that no one should ascribe any importance whatsoever to the ramblings of anonymous internet posters (like me, I guess ). There are many people whose lives are not complete without tearing down other people - these types of critics should be IGNORED (or perhaps pitied). The bulk of the serious pool fanatics must surely appreciate the contributions of the pro's - that's why we spend the time here. No one cares about Splinterhands, surely everyone enjoys your posts. Thanks for your participation. Here is the complete quote from Teddy Roosevelt that DEFINITELY applies to these anonymous critics:

"It is not the critic who counts: not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself for a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat."


"Citizenship in a Republic,"
Speech at the Sorbonne, Paris, April 23, 1910

 

[vagabond]

Blackjack,
I, like most of the true pool fanatics would definitely be saddened to lose you from the forum. This is just a note to reinforce the notion that no one should ascribe any importance whatsoever to the ramblings of anonymous internet posters (like me, I guess ). There are many people whose lives are not complete without tearing down other people - these types of critics should be IGNORED (or perhaps pitied). The bulk of the serious pool fanatics must surely appreciate the contributions of the pro's - that's why we spend the time here. No one cares about Splinterhands, surely everyone enjoys your posts. Thanks for your participation. Here is the complete quote from Teddy Roosevelt that DEFINITELY applies to these anonymous critics:

"It is not the critic who counts: not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself for a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat."


"Citizenship in a Republic,"
Speech at the Sorbonne, Paris, April 23, 1910

Hello,
Mega,Mega Dittos.
Vagabond

 

[1pocket]

forum 'fanboys'

It is posts such as this that convince me that these forums have outlasted their uselfulness. I use this thread as a prime example of why I do not wish to participate anymore. Don't worry, I'll make sure the door doesn't hit me in the rear end as I'm logging out.

Well that would be a shame, Blackjack, because you are one of the people that actually do bring a lot to the forums.

It seems to me that there is a certain kind of 'forum dweller' type (to stereotype a little -- sorry) that seems to develop on any internet forum. Often these are people caught up in the rush of learning, just about to the point where they think they 'know it all', yet much of what they know is pretty fresh still, and virtually none of it is original information. In fact, much of their 'inside information' might come directly from the internet itself! Yet these folks are forum veterans, that are very comfortable behind the keyboard -- perhaps a little too comfortable Perhaps some of these don't really have a real full and satisfying life outside the forums -- I don't know, yet they are certainly very sure of themselves in the forums, and often very quick to criticize any forum visitor that doesn't mesh well with their own particular habit and style of forum use.

They quickly develop high post counts that are more of a conversational nature than informational, which tells me the forums are mainly a form of social outlet for them -- not that that's a bad thing -- and they can't help but pick up a lot of very useful information along the way (thanks in part to people like Blackjack and many others).

They are often the first to pounce all over any perceived forum protocol misstep (like spelling mistakes, no caps, ALL CAPS, long paragraphs, etc.), without regard whatever the unsuspecting poster might actually have to offer.

Anyway, I offer up a name for these guys (which of course could be male or female): forum fanboys.

Now whether the opening poster qualifies as a forum fanboy, I don't know; I'll leave it him or others to make that judgement. But what I do know is this: Grady Mathews has done more for pool in his one lifetime than the whole lot of forum fanboys on this and any other pool forums put together ever will.

IMHO

 

[blah blah]

Well that would be a shame, Blackjack, because you are one of the people that actually do bring a lot to the forums.

and

Grady Mathews has done more for pool in his one lifetime than the whole lot of forum fanboys on this and any other pool forums put together ever will.
IMHO

I couldn't say it any better, so I just copied and pasted it and called it my own.

 

[sjm]

But what I do know is this: Grady Mathews has done more for pool in his one lifetime than the whole lot of forum fanboys on this and any other pool forums put together ever will.

Given your definition of forum fanboys, no doubt you're right. Still, I think we often forget that this forum is filled with countless people who've thanklessly invested time and money on pool who don't get the kind of press for their heartfelt contributions to the game that a Grady Matthews does. In short, Grady hardly stands alone on this forum as an important benefactor of the game of pool, and we owe our gratitude to all those on this forum who do their part in support of pool.

 

[Rickw]

It is posts such as this that convince me that these forums have outlasted their uselfulness. I use this thread as a prime example of why I do not wish to participate anymore. Don't worry, I'll make sure the door doesn't hit me in the rear end as I'm logging out.

I have to agree with you David. I have cut down on the time I spend here and the number of postings. For me, this forum has just about run its course. It really is a shame that somebody with a keyboard can be so disrespectful to a player with the stature of Grady Mathews. Actually, this poster simply reflects the general attitude that has been creeping into this forum for the last year or so.

This forum has gone from meaningful posts about pool to cheesy pornographic banter. I will miss those that I truly do enjoy reading such as SJM, Jam, VAP and many more that truly do seem to add to my pool experience. I may lurk now and then but I will certainly cut down even more on my participation.

 

[Splinterhands]

I have to agree with you David. I have cut down on the time I spend here and the number of postings. For me, this forum has just about run its course. It really is a shame that somebody with a keyboard can be so disrespectful to a player with the stature of Grady Mathews. Actually, this poster simply reflects the general attitude that has been creeping into this forum for the last year or so.

This forum has gone from meaningful posts about pool to cheesy pornographic banter. I will miss those that I truly do enjoy reading such as SJM, Jam, VAP and many more that truly do seem to add to my pool experience. I may lurk now and then but I will certainly cut down even more on my participation.

Rated around 90 on the USPPA? Who's rating you, Wally Cleaver? What a joke.

 

[Rickw]

Rated around 90 on the USPPA? Who's rating you, Wally Cleaver? What a joke.

Oh, so now it's my turn huh? I don't know who you are but judging you by the posts you've written thus far, I would much rather have been rated by my peers than some keyboard dweeb like you! Crawl back into your hole where you belong!

 

[APAgeek6]

Hello Splinterhands: How do you rate yourself as a player? Do you have any kind of handicap either in a local or national type association ( such as the USPPA)? I'm assuming you are a very good player since you have so many different thoughts on so many different subjects as they relate to pool. Just wondering.

 

[Splinterhands]

Hello Splinterhands: How do you rate yourself as a player? Do you have any kind of handicap either in a local or national type association ( such as the USPPA)? I'm assuming you are a very good player since you have so many different thoughts on so many different subjects as they relate to pool. Just wondering.

Hey APAgeek,
It you're the type that's concerned about ratings, I could probably give you the last four wild. Better hold on to your money.

 

[APAgeek6]

I asked a simple question. It is still unanswered. More than a number, I guess I'm just curious how you feel you play. BTW. Don't worry about me and my $. We're very close and don't like to be apart for very long

 

[bruin70]

Splinterhands, I don't know you nor do I know Grady or Keith but this appears to be a rather old fight between the two of them. I think it's best we don't draw attention to it and let them settle their own business. From what I've seen on the boards, I can say great things about both of them and it'd be a real sad day if either decided to not participate here. We've all had our arguments here and it's only inevitable that two well-known players would eventually have it out. I think, if anything, we should simply suggest to them that they try to keep their dispute private.

If you must judge the man, judge him based on his entire body of work, and not on a single, isolated incident. He is a credit to our sport and to this forum, and if you don't understand or realize that, you may need to think it out again.

,,,,except that the mr matthews seems to be the one who brings up whatever issues are eating his innards....and all he EVER contributes to this forum is to vent gripes, promote his events, and tell us why he is doing everything right for pool and why everyone else is doing everything wrong. i personally can do without his "contribution" to azb. this is no isolated event, and it seems to me, grady is loudest when he has a gripe to vent.

i have to defend splinter because it seems to me that he is criticizing grady for his "contribution" here at azB. which for the largest part has been nothing short of crybabying and acting like an old curmudgeon. and let's please seperate two very different topics,,,,grady's contribution the pool and grady's cryingbabying on azB. i too, not going back far enough, can only identify mr matthews for his COMPLAINTS here and not what he has done for the game.

i see mr matthews as part of "the old guard"....a highly indivisualistic person who refuses to hold hands with others for the greater good,,,,CONTRARY TO WHAT HE HAS US BELIEVE. and i can only believe this because there he stands fighting everyone and telling us about it, because it's his way or the highway. this refusal of cooperation is just one barrier that pool has had to face(ie,,,mens pool) in its bid to seek mainstream acceptance. in short,,,mr matthews way is the wrong way. it is a method that propagates spirited non-cooperation, as everyone is merely out to get his piece of the pie.

it IS sad that grady has had to eat his losses in the past, but you know what,,,,that just means he's been a very bad businessman.... and who in his right mind would ever accuse a poolplayer of being a smart business entrepenuer. that kind of sad business model should have been trashed eons ago because it has only contributed to pool's lack of product.

as mens pool inches at a snail's pace into the 21st century, and it eyes a bigger stage, it will need bigger players, not some throwback indivisual who thinks "small potatos". this also means, btw, that a lot of people will have to suck it up and sacrafice for the greater good. if things happen in the future that gets pool off the ground, i can expect almost with certainty, that people like grady will not be part of the change.

 

[B.J.the bandit]

Funny Farm Is Where Your Future Is

YOU HAVE NO idea what your sayin KID, GRADY IS A CLASS ACT!!!! I'VE GOT HIS BACK ALONG WITH A LOT OF THE BEST PLAYERS IN THE WORLD!!!! KEITH IS IN A LOT OF BOOKS[small red ones] he forgets too !!