Gus On Ebay Fake!!!!!

Thank you Chris....i agree, whether the cue is real is between myself, the purchaser's and Barry of course.

All evaluated, I feel this cue is a victim of bad luck.

If you were in my shoe's....with original purchaser and owner's confirmation......what would you do?

Think about it...........

greg
 
well put danktrees....

to respond, it was a 20k purchase of two cues owned by the same family. The purchaser requested Barry, we had no issue with this. The frustration comes from two cues....same family.....multiple purchases from "gus" throughout his legacy. One cue rejected......???



Thank you for your eval......

greg
 
All I can say is WOW, please pass the Popcorn, oh and by the way I like Butter on mine!!!!:) This thread is getting very interesting!!!!!!
 
I am removing the auction as I have come to the conclusion that my knowing the cue does not hold a letter of authenticty, as well as my lack of disclosure concerning this, is an issue of integrity......

The fact that I did not recognize or elected to diregard something that was indeed a requirement of such a valueble sale, is also of issue.

I apologize for the frustration....it was not my intent.


Check my feedback, consider the value of this sale alone, and you may just understand my frustration.

greg
 
As you all can see by his classless post of refering to my mother ...what kind of man he is and to deal with.....I will be sure to forward all you nice words to the people who matter ...Call Me215-300-0361 ..but i see you dont have the B....ls
 
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1glibby1 said:
I am removing the auction as I have come to the conclusion that my knowing the cue does not hold a letter of authenticty, as well as my lack of disclosure concerning this, is an issue of integrity......

The fact that I did not recognize or elected to diregard something that was indeed a requirement of such a valueble sale, is also of issue.

I apologize for the frustration....it was not my intent.


Check my feedback, consider the value of this sale alone, and you may just understand my frustration.

greg
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TAP TAP TAP!!!!!
Thanks for being honest, and having values, this is what this site and eBay need more of!!!!!

You can never put a price tag on the good Carma that will come from your decision.

Good Luck and have a good night!!!!!
 
thankyou, manwon





as for "kc"

I did not refer to your mother in a neg way....i merely gave an example of how information givin in haste usually creates hard feelings. And as predicted....you responded as expected.

I'm sure your mother is a good person. My guess is she will be waking you up this fine saturday morning. Tell her "extra syrup on your waffles pweeez!".

c u soon, my new friend.
 
I am glad ot be of help to all the honest people in the business ..i do not like dead beats or liers...ken carfagno

I think he was talking about my honesty not yours and the only reason your stoping the auction because i let everyone know what your are up to..
 
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This whole thread stirs up a question I have always had, so I figure it's a nice time to ask. To all the cue buff in the know: I've always wondered, is it possible that Gus might have made a few cues that even Barry couldn't identify? The same goes for Pete. Is it possible that George might have ever made a cue that Pete wouldn't be able to recognize? It all seems to be entirely possible to me. I know very little of the cue making process, and I know even less about Szamboti and Bushkas, but I've always wondered if it was possible that there might be a few cues that were made with a couple of different parts, or with a different process than the parts or the process for which their cues were known for?
I'm not at all in support of the seller of the Gus in question, and I must state that I personally would never buy a Gus as a Gus without Barrys backing. But it seems to me that there has to be a very small possibility that Gus might have done some things that even Barry didn't know about?
Just curious...............
Will never be able to afford a boti..........................
dave
 
By the way all i just had a phone call with greg and he promised to come to my booth at valley fodge and drop a cue on the floor and break it or demage it...as you can all see he is classless ..
 
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just a little fyi.....

barry will never ever put into writing that a cue brought to him for authentication is authentic....he simply does not do that anymore.

having said that, he won't even verbally verify that a cue is 100% one of his dad's unless he specifically remembers his dad making that cue.

and my opinion is that Gus would have never, ever, ever let a cue with uneven points like that one leave his shop. even if it was the last blank on the face of the earth, it woulda been firewood before Gus would use it to assemble a cue.

just my 2 cents...the opinion is my opinion and the facts are 100% accurate.....
 
So, what's everybody's opinion on this cue.......Horn or Black ?? I'm leaning towards "Horn-y-boti" myself, but think it would be interesting to see people's thoughts.

Sean (would like to know because there's a super close twin to this cue somewhere in my neck of the woods) :)
 
You win some and you lose some...

I was the middle man in a deal with kchighendcues involving what was believed to be a Balabushka and a G. Szam. Long story short, cues were sent to Barry, Bushka was fake and the Szam was real, as per Barry. During the whole process, all involved were professional and easy to work with. Ken made a very generous offer on the authenticated cue, even though he was no longer obligated to do so. I back Ken C. (kchighendcues) 100% as an honest and knowledgeable person.

Chris
 
1glibby1 said:
Barry took xrays and finalized this cue could not be authenticated. Simple....case closed as far as he is concerned.
We, on the other hand, do not accept this answer. The people involved are all of the highest charactor and morals. People who have no reason to compromise thier opinion and accept that all that is pure be deamed "dirty". I have no battle with Barry. He is looking out for his father's legacy. I hold no grudge towrd his decision. I have never had a discouraging word concerning his decision, and never will.

This is not a fight. It is merely a response to a spineless attack by "kc".


You all should be aware that "kc" is currently responding via my personal email rather than to my response on AZ. This guy is a real "tool".

He starts a thread.......initiates a response ........ and communicates from that point forward behind closed doors. "He is all yours AZ". A real "tool".

Please "kc". you stirred up this bee hive......you might as well stand in the middle of it until it's over. What a "tool".

greg libby
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Greg,

Your tirade against High End Cues is unwarranted. I salute Ken and Ken, High end Cues, for the public service warning. They have become THE Szamboti dealers in my book and are the right people to know for anybody who wants to buy or sell a Szamboti cue.

High End Cues conducts themselves with honor and candor. In fact, I know of a number of incidents where they stood behind their word and guarantees beyond that which would normally be expected.


Chris
 
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Tokyo-dave said:
This whole thread stirs up a question I have always had, so I figure it's a nice time to ask. To all the cue buff in the know: I've always wondered, is it possible that Gus might have made a few cues that even Barry couldn't identify? The same goes for Pete. Is it possible that George might have ever made a cue that Pete wouldn't be able to recognize? It all seems to be entirely possible to me. I know very little of the cue making process, and I know even less about Szamboti and Bushkas, but I've always wondered if it was possible that there might be a few cues that were made with a couple of different parts, or with a different process than the parts or the process for which their cues were known for?
I'm not at all in support of the seller of the Gus in question, and I must state that I personally would never buy a Gus as a Gus without Barrys backing. But it seems to me that there has to be a very small possibility that Gus might have done some things that even Barry didn't know about?
Just curious...............
Will never be able to afford a boti..........................
dave
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Dave,

We are truly fortunate to have a Barry Szamboti or a Pete Tascarella.

Each of them know what an extreme responsibility they have authenticating a cue. Can you imagine their position when faced with a cue that someone paid many thousands of dollars for that turns out to be a fake?

There are a lot of tiny details that can't be faked. Gus shaped his own joint screws and Barry still has the tools he used to form them, that sort of thing. Gus had certain ways he did things that are small details that are different from other cue makers.

Aniother thing is, Barry helped his dad a lot in the shop, and was involved in his business early on. He made blanks and did a lot of work. Barry is reluctant to commit, one way or another, on authenticity. Gus did make some early cues with WICO and Titlist forearms, but Barry can even ID them.

So if he makes a statement like "it's not one of my dad's cues", well, my belief is it's not.

Is he perfect? Of course not. The real question is, would a serious collector gamble $7,000 on a cue he's says isn't a Szamboti?

Chris
 
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TATE said:
Dave,

We are truly fortunate to have a Barry Szamboti or a Pete Tascarella.

Each of them know what an extreme responsibility they have authenticating a cue. Can you imagine their position when faced with a cue that someone paid many thousands of dollars for that turns out to be a fake?

There are a lot of tiny details that can't be faked. Gus made a lot of his own joint screws and Barry still has the tools he used to shape them. Gus had certain ways he did things that are small details that are different from other cue makers.

Aniother thing is, Barry helped his dad a lot in the shop, and was involved in his business early on. He made blanks and did a lot of work. Barry is reluctant to commit, one way or another, on authenticity. Gus did make some early cues with WICO and Titlist forearms, but Barry can even ID them.

So if he makes a statement like "it's not one of my dad's cues", well, my belief is it's not.

Is he perfect? Of course not. The real question is, would a serious collector gamble $7,000 on a cue he's says isn't a Szamboti?

Chris
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Chris

Another question is how legitimate is an offer to sell something when the seller knows there is a material defect or a defect in authenticity ans subsequently neglects to disclose that defect to the buyer? I guess the seller has a right to question Barry's opinion, but I think we would all agree (with the possible exception of the seller in this case) that the buyer must also have the right to evaluate that information himself. It's one thing not to know, its a far different thing to know and not disclose.

Ken was protecting not only the community, but also the pool of actual collectible historical cues. I think it's great that you guys do this. Ken's posting might have been overzealous if he was merely spotting a seller making an honest mistake, but Ken knew that the seller knew and his words were thus entirely appropriate and, coming from a guy that might buy a cue like that, much appreciated.

Kevin
 
Tokyo-dave said:
This whole thread stirs up a question I have always had, so I figure it's a nice time to ask. To all the cue buff in the know: I've always wondered, is it possible that Gus might have made a few cues that even Barry couldn't identify? The same goes for Pete. Is it possible that George might have ever made a cue that Pete wouldn't be able to recognize?
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there are certain construction techniques that Gus and George used that may have slightly changed over time but they are definite, easily recognizable and know by certain people, Barry and Pete, respectfully, most of all (especially with today's technology). if Barry says it's not his fathers work, his opinion would not lie solely on the fact of a single "screw" inside the butt that was not correct. there were probably many other construction aspects that tipped him off. so to answer your question is it possible?, almost anything is possible, but is it plausible? imo no.
 
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Dave,

We are truly fortunate to have a Barry Szamboti or a Pete Tascarella.

Each of them know what an extreme responsibility they have authenticating a cue. Can you imagine their position when faced with a cue that someone paid many thousands of dollars for that turns out to be a fake?

There are a lot of tiny details that can't be faked. Gus shaped his own joint screws and Barry still has the tools he used to form them, that sort of thing. Gus had certain ways he did things that are small details that are different from other cue makers.

Aniother thing is, Barry helped his dad a lot in the shop, and was involved in his business early on. He made blanks and did a lot of work. Barry is reluctant to commit, one way or another, on authenticity. Gus did make some early cues with WICO and Titlist forearms, but Barry can even ID them.

So if he makes a statement like "it's not one of my dad's cues", well, my belief is it's not.

Is he perfect? Of course not. The real question is, would a serious collector gamble $7,000 on a cue he's says isn't a Szamboti?

Chris
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Well, If the owner has had it all these years, He probably only paid a couple of hundred bucks for it. So luckelly, in this situation at least he hasn't lost any money. and its still been a decent investment, It is a fancy vintage cue after all. just not quite the investment he had thought.
 
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