Let just respect what ryan wants ...and beside it his cue and his money and likeness of the cues he wants....goodluck on your sell or trade ryan 
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Haley/McDaniel trade?
- Thread starter axlrose
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axlrose said:
THANKS RYAN, YOU WERE A PLEASURE TO DEAL WITH AS WELL. AND I WAS ALSO SURPRISED IT LASTED AS LONG AS IT DID.
P.S. I THINK YOU MADE A GOOD CHOICE KEEPING THE HALEY, BUT IF I COME ACROSS THE RIGHT MCDANIEL, I'LL LET YOU KNOW.
Ryan i have one! give me a callaxlrose said:
Damn...
I need to learn how to keep my mouth shut!
The ONLY reason I was asking the question, was because I know that Axl, collects a lot of REALLY, REALLY nice cues. I have seen a number of his cues that he has posted on these forums. This is where MY, NOT EVERYONE ELSE'S confusion came in.
I trully respect and plan to hit with, one of Mr. McDaniels cues in the near future; however, being the cue-collector-in-training that I am
, I DID NOT understand the logic (hit wise, money wise or collection wise for that matter...) in the reasoning behind this deal.
It was more of a personal matter, and I can, WITHOUT A DOUBT, understand what that feeling is like! I have personally met Mr. Haley, in the flesh, and the guy is gentleman and a scholar. Plus, HE'S the one that told me, that he doesn't take orders. If I said it wrong, then my bad.
This question was not ment to start ANY flame wars whatsoever, but it happended anyway. Axl, my apologies if you felt, I was out of line with the question, but I feel, you're not going to learn ANYTHING unless you ask!
For the record, as if you didn't already know, if I had a choice between the McDaniel or the Haley (if money were not an issue...), I'd have to go with the Haley, simply because of the limited amount of cues that he put out annually. Plus, his designs are an absolute BEAST! Again, my apologies if I have offended anyone, it trully was not my intent. Thanks.
I need to learn how to keep my mouth shut!
The ONLY reason I was asking the question, was because I know that Axl, collects a lot of REALLY, REALLY nice cues. I have seen a number of his cues that he has posted on these forums. This is where MY, NOT EVERYONE ELSE'S confusion came in. I trully respect and plan to hit with, one of Mr. McDaniels cues in the near future; however, being the cue-collector-in-training that I am
, I DID NOT understand the logic (hit wise, money wise or collection wise for that matter...) in the reasoning behind this deal. It was more of a personal matter, and I can, WITHOUT A DOUBT, understand what that feeling is like! I have personally met Mr. Haley, in the flesh, and the guy is gentleman and a scholar. Plus, HE'S the one that told me, that he doesn't take orders. If I said it wrong, then my bad.
This question was not ment to start ANY flame wars whatsoever, but it happended anyway. Axl, my apologies if you felt, I was out of line with the question, but I feel, you're not going to learn ANYTHING unless you ask!
For the record, as if you didn't already know, if I had a choice between the McDaniel or the Haley (if money were not an issue...), I'd have to go with the Haley, simply because of the limited amount of cues that he put out annually. Plus, his designs are an absolute BEAST! Again, my apologies if I have offended anyone, it trully was not my intent. Thanks.
forget about it
No problem at all. I did not take anything you wrote to be offensive, but an honest question.
I am well aware of how much "collectability" can play into the desireability of certain cues. I have my own confusion over why specific makers are afforded such praise and secondary market prices, when I don't consider their cues to be any better, playability or design-wise, than some others. However, that's a personal taste issue and I normally keep my opinions on such things to myself.
Personally, I think it can be all to easy to get swept up in the hype in some hobbies, being a long time comic book enthusiast and past baseball card collector. As such, I buy what I really like and enjoy using. If that happens to overlap with what the market considers highly desireable, it's all gravy when I decide to sell. To me, the real value in a hobby, like collecting pool cues, is in the personal pleasure I feel from working for, and being able to buy for myself, something I really love. Nothing more. Money comes and goes. A sense of pride and accomplishment can last a lot longer.
Ryan
shoutout33 said:I need to learn how to keep my mouth shut!
I trully respect and plan to hit with, one of Mr. McDaniels cues in the near future; however, being the cue-collector-in-training that I am
It was more of a personal matter, and I can, WITHOUT A DOUBT, understand what that feeling is like! I have personally met Mr. Haley, in the flesh, and the guy is gentleman and a scholar. Plus, HE'S the one that told me, that he doesn't take orders. If I said it wrong, then my bad.
This question was not ment to start ANY flame wars whatsoever, but it happended anyway. Axl, my apologies if you felt, I was out of line with the question, but I feel, you're not going to learn ANYTHING unless you ask!
For the record, as if you didn't already know, if I had a choice between the McDaniel or the Haley (if money were not an issue...), I'd have to go with the Haley, simply because of the limited amount of cues that he put out annually. Plus, his designs are an absolute BEAST! Again, my apologies if I have offended anyone, it trully was not my intent. Thanks.
No problem at all. I did not take anything you wrote to be offensive, but an honest question.
I am well aware of how much "collectability" can play into the desireability of certain cues. I have my own confusion over why specific makers are afforded such praise and secondary market prices, when I don't consider their cues to be any better, playability or design-wise, than some others. However, that's a personal taste issue and I normally keep my opinions on such things to myself.
Personally, I think it can be all to easy to get swept up in the hype in some hobbies, being a long time comic book enthusiast and past baseball card collector. As such, I buy what I really like and enjoy using. If that happens to overlap with what the market considers highly desireable, it's all gravy when I decide to sell. To me, the real value in a hobby, like collecting pool cues, is in the personal pleasure I feel from working for, and being able to buy for myself, something I really love. Nothing more. Money comes and goes. A sense of pride and accomplishment can last a lot longer.
Ryan
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kudos
Ryan, that's a nice post and I fully agree. A lot of nits around here just like busting chops !! That being said, I think the workmanship in a Haley or one of Bill's cues is about the same...excellent, superb, second-to-none, however you want to phrase it. And playability is without question stellar. And who knows, some of the McDaniels cues that were non-line or that not many were made may be worth a mint down the road. Who knows ?? I sure as heck didn't think Black Boars were anything special back in 2000-2001 struggling to move those fancy old 4-points and 6-points for $1700-$1800 and the plain older 4-pts for $700-$800. That's the interesting thing about the future....you never really know.
axlrose said:
Ryan, that's a nice post and I fully agree. A lot of nits around here just like busting chops !! That being said, I think the workmanship in a Haley or one of Bill's cues is about the same...excellent, superb, second-to-none, however you want to phrase it. And playability is without question stellar. And who knows, some of the McDaniels cues that were non-line or that not many were made may be worth a mint down the road. Who knows ?? I sure as heck didn't think Black Boars were anything special back in 2000-2001 struggling to move those fancy old 4-points and 6-points for $1700-$1800 and the plain older 4-pts for $700-$800. That's the interesting thing about the future....you never really know.
Ryan,axlrose said:
I like Ron Haley's cues a lot, but I also like the Kun Fang Lee cue by Bill McDaniel with the ring work and a lizard wrap as you described it a little more. My choice between the Haley cue that you own or the McDaniel cue built like you described it would be the McDaniel. I like ebony and ivory cues and I know that you also like them and the Kun Fang Lee cue by Bill McDaniel is one of Bill's best designs IMO. I've never played with a Ron Haley cue, but I have played with a couple of different McDaniel cues and I know from experience that McDaniel cues play great!
Having a preference between these two cues solely based on Ron not building many cues a year doesn't make any sense when you aren't buying the cue to see how much money you can make on it if you sell it. You would like to own the McDaniel cue because you like the way it looks and plays. Your Ron Haley cue is nice, but the Kun Fang Lee cue by Bill McDaniel is a pretty special cue and it's loaded with ivory.
SCCues said:
The Bill Mc Daniel Cues are top Notch,only Barry himself make a better Szam Style .I'm also on Ron's order List but I never would change my Mc Daniels for a Haley.I love the way the plays all great.
Ralf
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I really have to say
The custom McDanials cues that I have had in my hands really were impressive players. I also really love the shock absorber joint too. I do have to admit that I have only shot with custom and not model cues of Bill's. Solid is a understatement.
JMo
Nick
The custom McDanials cues that I have had in my hands really were impressive players. I also really love the shock absorber joint too. I do have to admit that I have only shot with custom and not model cues of Bill's. Solid is a understatement.
JMo
Nick
i am by no means busting balls but i have to say,i have had Bill Macdaniel cues and i have had Ron Haley cues,and to me there is no question.Ron Haley makes a nicer cue.his work is flawless and comlicated,i would assume Bill does mostly CNC work and not that CNC is not complicated or hard,but i like hand made cues.also Haley's designs are much more original to me.the cue Fastnloose sold or is selling is beautiful.none of Bill's cues ever looked that good.not even this KUNGFAN cue.i am sure axle has his reasons for wantint to trade,but for me and most people here the Haley is a keeper.keep the Haley.his cues will be worth a ton soon.he only makes 10 per year and Bill made thousands.Haleys cues will increase in value and i thin Bills are peaked right now.you can buy a Haley from Ron for $1000 and sell it for $2000.you can buy a Macdaniel from Bill for $2000 and might get lucky and sell it for $1000.you do the math.there is a reason his cues are so sought after.
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Not trying to To question Mason but I don't think you can get a cue from Ron for less than $2800. I don't even really think he is all that interested in building those. As of late I believe that he is trying to push the envelope as far as his skills and talent are concerned. More engraving, complicated designs with a traditional classy flair ect. I hope I'm not putting words in Ron's mouth but I'm pretty sure about this.
I got the gist of the post. Ron's cues are now selling for more than what you pay for them. McDaniels for less than their original MSRP.
I have owned both and I really wish I hadn't let my McDaniel go as it was an excellent cue and workmanship was flawless as well. Really couldn't understand why it wouldn't command a better price.
Anybody that has Haleys for a $1000 I'll take em all.
I got the gist of the post. Ron's cues are now selling for more than what you pay for them. McDaniels for less than their original MSRP.
I have owned both and I really wish I hadn't let my McDaniel go as it was an excellent cue and workmanship was flawless as well. Really couldn't understand why it wouldn't command a better price.
Anybody that has Haleys for a $1000 I'll take em all.
pharaoh68
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lenoxmjs said:Not trying to To question Mason but I don't think you can get a cue from Ron for less than $2800. I don't even really think he is all that interested in building those. As of late I believe that he is trying to push the envelope as far as his skills and talent are concerned. More engraving, complicated designs with a traditional classy flair ect. I hope I'm not putting words in Ron's mouth but I'm pretty sure about this.
I got the gist of the post. Ron's cues are now selling for more than what you pay for them. McDaniels for less than their original MSRP.
I have owned both and I really wish I hadn't let my McDaniel go as it was an excellent cue and workmanship was flawless as well. Really couldn't understand why it wouldn't command a better price.
Anybody that has Haleys for a $1000 I'll take em all.
Just an FYI:
A four pointer with 4-6 veneers, touching points, and joint rings from Ron Haley is, I believe, $1400 brand new. Of course, you'll wait a while. And if you try to get the same cue on the second hand market, you may be paying more.
pharaoh68 said:
May I suggest that anyone that wants to may e-mail Ron for his new
pricing.
haleycues@shilohsteel.com
You cannot buy the cue you suggest for the money that you say even if you were already on the list. 3-4 years ago you could.
when i said $1000 it was an estimate and it was not necessarily meant to mean his pricing as of today.last year for instance would be a time frame for what i was trying to say.i know what the Haley i had sold for in 2005.you could order a cue from Ron for $1000 and wait,get it and sell it for $2000.Bill Macdaniels are the complete opposite.i see his cues that retail for $1800 sell all day long on Ebay and other places for less than $1000.again my $1000 and $2000 are nor meant to be the exact pricing of anyones cues;they are examples and approximate figures.the $1000 cue you want would be worth $2000 anyway.
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IMHO if the man wants a McDaniels, then God damn, who is anyone to argue. I never judge a man by his tastes or his wants. The hot cuemaker right now is Haley, no one would deny that. But I know people who play with Predators and Meucci's and shun Szambotis and Mottey's.
If the man likes the play of a McDaniels, then he should not hesitate to get one. Plus think of the extra money he'll have to buy something else.
JV (---knows one man's Jessica Alba is one mans Ugly Betty...
If the man likes the play of a McDaniels, then he should not hesitate to get one. Plus think of the extra money he'll have to buy something else.
JV (---knows one man's Jessica Alba is one mans Ugly Betty...
classiccues said:
YOU DIDN'T FEEL THAT WAY WHEN I WAS BUYING BLACKS'
LOL
FAST_N_LOOSE said:YOU DIDN'T FEEL THAT WAY WHEN I WAS BUYING BLACKS'
LOL.. But you weren't buying them for the hit..
Plus I was doing you a favor being the youngster you were and not letting you put all your eggs in one basket. But then you went and did that anyways. lol... So some people never learn... JV
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classiccues said:LOL.. But you weren't buying them for the hit..
JV
GOOD POINT ABOUT THE HIT.....
P.S. I LIKE THE BASKET I HAVE MY EGGS IN NOW
Here's one for you...
If we were basing this, totally on the hit, price range, and some collectibility,f then I'd have to go with a Lambros: 1st generation "ultra-joint". Now, they are not the best looking cues out there (and definitely no where near the worst...), I'll be damned if they're not one of the best hitting cues on the planet! 
OOhhh, just thinking about that hit sends chills man.
I have yet to feel the same thing to date, which means that I'll be contacting some of you, and asking if I can borrow some top names to hit with and compare . 
Now I have no idea how the new ultra-joint hits, so I can't comment on it. Wonder what happended to the popularity of his cues though? Anywho, like everyone else has mentioned, in one way or another, it all boils down to personal preference; however, I honestly feel, that although pool cues are a very, very personal thing, there are some cuemakers that DO warrant more attention than others.
If we were basing this, totally on the hit, price range, and some collectibility,f then I'd have to go with a Lambros: 1st generation "ultra-joint". Now, they are not the best looking cues out there (and definitely no where near the worst...), I'll be damned if they're not one of the best hitting cues on the planet!
OOhhh, just thinking about that hit sends chills man. I have yet to feel the same thing to date, which means that I'll be contacting some of you, and asking if I can borrow some top names to hit with and compare .
Now I have no idea how the new ultra-joint hits, so I can't comment on it. Wonder what happended to the popularity of his cues though? Anywho, like everyone else has mentioned, in one way or another, it all boils down to personal preference; however, I honestly feel, that although pool cues are a very, very personal thing, there are some cuemakers that DO warrant more attention than others.