Harassment - your view please!

Hello my fellow Pool Players and Az'ers.

I've been battling a CyberBully or CyberHarasser for a few weeks now. I'm asking your advice here... What to do. My husband want's me to sue but for me I just hope he gives up and leaves me alone.

I have a website: http://www.PoolRoomTees.com

I am being harassed by the owner of the website http://www.PoolTees.com

Here is a breakdown of what has happened so far:

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Email received 2/24/09


Dear Angela Sebree,
We (PoolTees.com) are the proprietor of trademark registration / Pseudo Mark for Serial Number: 77375054, “Pool Tees”. Widespread use of the “Pool Tees” trademark has been made, to the extent that this trademark has acquired an extensive reputation and goodwill. The “Pool Tees” trademark is, accordingly, also a well-known mark for all relevant purposes of trademark law.
It has come to our attention that you are using the “Pool Room Tees” trademark. This trademark is confusingly and/or deceptively similar to our “Pool Tees” trademark and also constitutes a reproduction or imitation thereof.
In the circumstances, your continued use of the “Pool Room Tees” trademark will constitute an infringement of our registered and common law rights. Your conduct may also constitute passing off and/or misleading and deceptive conduct in breach of the trade Practices Act. Federal Law provides numerous legal remedies for trademark infringement and dilution, including, but not limited to, preliminary and permanent injunctive relief, monetary damages, claim to a defendant’s profits.
In the circumstances, we demand that you immediately:
1. cease all use of the trademark “Pool Room Tees”;
2. withdraw, cancel and/or delete any corporate names, domain names (including social networking sites), trademark applications and/or trademark registrations for or including the “Pool Room Tees” trademark;
3. undertake, in writing, never in future to make any use of the “Pool Room Tees” trademark without prior written authority from us, whether within any corporate name, trading name, trading style, domain name or otherwise.
If we do not receive an adequate response within 25 days of this notice, we may take such action, as we may be advised, in order to protect our rights including, without limitation, legal action for injunctive relief or to recover damages without further notice to you.
This is written without prejudice to our rights, all of which are hereby expressly reserved.
Yours faithfully,

-Jake Schwartz
President - PoolTees.com
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PH: DELETED

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My response to that Email

Sir from my information, you can not trademark what you do. The following information is public record!

Word Mark POOLTEES
Goods and Services (ABANDONED) IC 028. US 022 023 038 050. G & S: Billiard equipment. FIRST USE: 20050425. FIRST USE IN COMMERCE: 20050425
Standard Characters Claimed
Mark Drawing Code (4) STANDARD CHARACTER MARK
Serial Number 77375054
Filing Date January 18, 2008
Current Filing Basis 1A
Original Filing Basis 1A
Owner (APPLICANT)
Type of Mark TRADEMARK
Register PRINCIPAL
Live/Dead Indicator DEAD
Abandonment Date October 26, 2008

Registration is refused because the applied-for mark merely describes a feature of applicant’s services. Trademark Act Section 2(e)(1), 15 U.S.C. §1052(e)(1); see TMEP §§1209.01(b), 1209.03 et seq.

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Mr Schwartz's letter to my supplier and their response to him.

Andrea Moore
From: Jake at Pooltees.com [DELETED]
Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 6:34 AM
To: Trademark
Cc: DELETED
Subject: Cafepress Storeowner Copyright Infringement

2/27/2009
Candice,
There’s a cafepress store (http://www.cafepress.com/DesignerStore) that appears to be infringing upon
copyright material (our logo) of my business, www.PoolTees.com. As you can see their logo, company name, and
certain products, contain material that is blatantly infringing upon my copyright protection of the “PoolTees”
logo and “PoolTees” name.
Here is all the requested information asked in your “Intellactual Property Rights Policy” page:
1. A physical or electronic signature of a person authorized to act on behalf of the owner of the
copyright or other rights that have been allegedly infringed.
2. Identification of the copyright, trademark or other rights that have been allegedly infringed.
Any designs in http://www.cafepress.com/DesignerStore/6182938 that include the world “Pool” with
two pool balls used for letters, constitutes an infringement upon the “PoolTees.com logo”, which can be
viewed here: http://www.pooltees.com/pics/logos/cleanbannerquote.GIF.
3. The URL or product number(s) used in connection with the sale of the allegedly infringing
merchandise. Note: A store URL is www.cafepress.com/storeid. Simply including www.cafepress.com
is not sufficient to identify what you are objecting to; we use the "storeid" part of the URL to identify
the user.

4. Your name, address, telephone number and email address.
Jacob Schwartz
DELETED ADDRESS ALTHOUGH IT IS ON HIS WEBSITE
5. A statement that you have a good‐faith belief that use of the material in the manner complained of is
not authorized by the rights owner, its agent or the law.
Widespread use of the “PoolTees” copyright has been made, to the extent that this copyright has
acquired an extensive reputation and goodwill. The “PoolTees” copyright is, accordingly, also a wellknown
mark for all relevant purposes of copyright law. The images used by this cafepress store owner
“PoolRoomTees” are confusingly and/or deceptively similar to our “Pool Tees” copyrighted material and
also constitutes a reproduction or imitation thereof.
6. A statement that the information in the notification is accurate and, under penalty of perjury, that
you are authorized to act on behalf of the owner of the copyright or other right that is allegedly
infringed.
I confirm that the information in this notification is accurate and, under penalty of perjury, that I am the
owner of the copyright that is infringed.
Please advise ASAP. Thank you!
‐Jake Schwartz
President ‐ PoolTees.com
DELETED


2/27/

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Andrea Moore
From: Andrea Moore
Sent: Friday, February 27, 2009 11:52 AM
To: 'Jake at Pooltees.com'
Cc: Trademark
Subject: Notification of Alleged Infringement
Page 1 of 2
2/27/2009
Dear Mr. Schwartz,
Thank you for your February 25, 2009 notification regarding the possible infringement of your
rights by a user of our service. We have carefully reviewed the images listed in your notification as well
as your website www.pooltees.com. However, we will not accede to your demand to remove content
from products on the CafePress website at this time for the reasons stated below.
First and foremost, the user’s images that you objected to in your notification do not
incorporate your logo “pooltees.com.” Instead, they only use the common descriptive word “pool” to
describe the sport in connection with other words and design elements that further distinguish the
images from your design.
With regard to your copyright claim, copyright does not protect words, short phrases or ideas; it
only protects the specific expressions of those words, short phrases or ideas. See Sem‐Torq, Inc., 936
F.2d at 854‐855. This is because such short phrases are generally considered to lack sufficient
originality. 17 U.S.C.A. § 102(a). Copyright protection is denied even where the slogans or short
phrases are distinctively arranged or printed. See Kitchens of Sara Lee, Inc. v. Nifty Foods Corp., 266
F.2d 541 (2d. Cir. 1959). In this case, you are using the short phrase “pooltees.com” in a design that
has replaced the two “o”s with 8 balls; the rest of the text is in green and black. The designs you
objected to use different phrases, such as “pool is cool,” “pool name your game” and “pool support the
sport,” along with other design elements. While these designs may incorporate the common idea of
using two pool balls in the word “pool” they do not copy your design, but instead merely use one
similar word which is not subject to copyright protection. For more information on the unavailability
of copyright protection for short phrases, please see the U.S. Copyright Office’s circular on the subject
available at http://www.copyright.gov/circs/circ34.html.
We are more than willing to work with rights holders. However, one must be reasonable in
interpreting their rights and understanding the limits of copyright law. If you have any complaints
regarding a different store in the future, please do not hesitate to notify us. If the content is deemed
to be potentially infringing upon your rights, we will remove the content from products on the
CafePress website. However, in situations where we do not agree with the allegations, we may decline
to remove such content.
I have forwarded your letter and our response to the user whose content was not removed so
that s/he is aware of your demands and can take any action s/he feels is appropriate. I hope that this
will bring this matter to a close. Nevertheless, if you would like to discuss this matter further, feel free
to contact us.
As always, we must include the following formalities. CafePress disputes all claims and
allegations of infringement, and nothing contained in this letter is intended, nor shall be construed as
an admission of any wrongdoing or liability on behalf of CafePress or the users of the CafePress
service. This letter is not intended, nor shall it be construed as a full statement of all the facts and
circumstances relating to this matter. Nothing contained in this letter, nor any act or omission to act
by CafePress is intended or should be deemed to be a waiver, abridgement, alteration, modification or
reduction of any rights, claims, defenses or remedies that CafePress may have in regard to this matter
and all such rights, claims defenses and remedies, whether at law or in equity, are hereby expressly
reserved.
Best regards,
Andrea Moore
(650) 655-3198
amoore@cafepress.com
CafePress
www.cafepress.com

2/27/

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I contracted Mr Schwartz and told him to quit harassing me.

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3/10/09 Mr Schwartz contacted MySpace and had my logo and photos removed because of Copyright Infringment.


myspace.com/myspacehelp
To:
• @PoolRoomTees.com

Date:
Mar 10, 2009 1:07 PM
Subject:
Copyright/Trademark Content Deletion
Body:
Hello,

Content has been deleted from your profile due to a complaint of copyright infringement or a violation of MySpace's Terms of Use. Please be aware that MySpace deletes profiles of users who repeatedly infringe copyrights. Please be careful not to include content on your profile that you do not have permission to use so you can continue to be part of the MySpace community.

Thank you,
MySpace. com


myspace.com/myspacehelp
To:
• @PoolRoomTees.com

.........Note this went on for a while... everytime I would get something up, it would be removed...
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Mar 10, 2009
1:39 PM MySpace Help
Read Copyright/Trademark Content Deletion


Mar 10, 2009
1:39 PM MySpace Help
Read We had to delete one of your photos


Mar 10, 2009
1:33 PM MySpace Help
Read Copyright/Trademark Content Deletion


Mar 10, 2009
1:33 PM MySpace Help
Read We had to delete one of your photos


Mar 10, 2009
1:07 PM MySpace Help
Read Copyright/Trademark Content Deletion


Mar 10, 2009
1:05 PM MySpace Help
Read We had to delete one of your photos


Mar 10, 2009
12:52 PM MySpace Help
Read Copyright/Trademark Content Deletion


Mar 10, 2009
11:45 AM MySpace Help
Read We had to delete one of your photos

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3/11/2009

From:
"Facebook" <warning+ky42kb2x@facebookmail.com>

To:
angela.sebree
Hello,

We have removed or disabled access to the following content that you have posted on Facebook because we received a notice from a third party that the content infringes their copyright(s):

[Profile picture: Pool Room Tees]

We strongly encourage you to review the content you have posted to Facebook to make sure that you have not posted any other infringing content, as it is our policy to terminate the accounts of repeat infringers when appropriate.

If you believe that we have made a mistake in removing this content, then you can submit an appeal by filling out our automated form at http://www.facebook.com/copyright.php?dmca_counter_notice

The Facebook Team

Submitted Apeal 3/11/2009
 
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Knee jerk response: Fight fire with fire... Blogs, Myspace-file a compliant on him. etc...

Real world response..

Contact a patent attorney. They are obviously not going to stop and are deeply afraid of the competition. the use of two pool balls in your logo being a copy of his is hogwash.

Your husband is correct this time :) Have to give it to him as much as that pains you.. :) (little humor) Get an attorney.

Make a shirt to help raise the cost of the attny. and sell it on the website with a complete description of what is going on as well..

I will buy one!

back to knee jerk, thanks for the link.. will come in handy now...

dennis
 
I would say this is a legal matter not a pool forum issue. The guy obviously thinks he is correct in his assumption of the trademark law. I'm not saying he is because I am certainly no lawyer. But this is not a cyberbully case this is a copyright case and posting legal issues on the net only further invokes the situation. Everybody is looking to sue everybody these days... f****** lawyers are the ruination of this country. It's all about the $$$.. of course your friendly neighborhood attorney would be happy to help you out for a few thousand bucks.
 
Lawyers!

I would have suggested you contact a lawyer BEFORE posting all of this info on a public forum. Not sure what else to say, other than good luck!
Dan
 
I don't think this is harassment at all; he is trying to protect what he perceives as his rights. You and he have a difference of opinion about what his rights are, and this difference of opinion is the reason we have judges and lawyers. I think you're going to have to use the legal system to resolve this dispute, and if the decision goes your way, THEN I would maybe refer to further actions on his part as harassment.

-Andrew
 
But it is a POOL issue

I would say this is a legal matter not a pool forum issue. The guy obviously thinks he is correct in his assumption of the trademark law. I'm not saying he is because I am certainly no lawyer. But this is not a cyberbully case this is a copyright case and posting legal issues on the net only further invokes the situation. Everybody is looking to sue everybody these days... f****** lawyers are the ruination of this country. It's all about the $$$.. of course your friendly neighborhood attorney would be happy to help you out for a few thousand bucks.


This may be a legal issue but I believe forums are here to help support the sport by sharing information and giving advice.

Through the Federal Trademark guidelines he could not get a trademark and his application was refused. I did my research before naming my site and somewhat knew the law. As for the Pool Balls in my logo - I've now added a photo at the bottom of my website of a Pool Publication I published in the 1990's using this type logo.

I was actually wrong in my statement above, my husband wants me to press Federal charges against the guy - I'm not wanting to sue for Ca$h... I just want this guy to stop.
 
He is most incorrect in his understanding of trademark law.

*also as a side note he IS a member here on AZ as well.

Definitely a legal issue since he has already cost her potential revenue with the complaints to myspace and facebook with no valid complaint.

I personally think, (and keep in mind, that he is a member here and can read this) He is way out of line here, get real, you are both using plain images of common balls in the game, as the letter O in the word pool. Do you really think you are the only genius to have come up with that?

Figure out a peaceful solution to avoid the drama.

Also to the member who said its all about the $$ well yes and no, I read it as its about principle, but when the jerk is contacting her suppliers in an attempt to stop them from selling to her, that is a direct attack on her revenue stream that MUST be protected.
 
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personal opinion, they are stretching

My opinion is that pooltees is stretching. What if someone was to use "pool tee shirts"? That is close to their name too and perfectly reasonable. Domain names are often exactly the same except for the extension. The only possible issue is the pool balls being used as letters or numbers. Since this has been done for many many years I strongly suspect it was "common usage" long before either of your businesses existed and can not be protected.

I have seen ridiculous things copyrighted and sometimes it has stood up. In the end only a court can decide; a very expensive proposition for all parties and a roll of the dice. I think pooltees is whistling in the wind and bluffing. I also think extended communications with them are a bad idea. However, I also think that yes it is time to consult an intellectual property attorney. There is at least one on this forum who may be able to help you or you may have to locate an attorney.

A totally different issue is pooltees interference with your fair trade. You might want to consult an attorney here also but I would send one cease and desist letter, certified mail, demanding poolteees stop all interference with your business. I would only have direct dealings with pooltees by certified mail at this point and I suspect any attorney would recommend not having any direct dealings or have the letters approved by an attorney before sending them, certified. E-mails are easily edited on both ends.

To sum up, I think that pooltees is over aggressively defending any intellectual property rights they may have to the point that you probably have a very good case against them. However taking legal advice from me is as bad as taking medical advice from your next door neighbor. I am not a lawyer and copyright law is such a quagmire that it often comes down to a court battle that either side can lose if both parties push things that far.

Hu


Hello my fellow Pool Players and Az'ers.

I've been battling a CyberBully or CyberHarasser for a few weeks now. I'm asking your advice here... What to do. My husband want's me to sue but for me I just hope he gives up and leaves me alone.
 
This may be a legal issue but I believe forums are here to help support the sport by sharing information and giving advice.

Through the Federal Trademark guidelines he could not get a trademark and his application was refused. I did my research before naming my site and somewhat knew the law. As for the Pool Balls in my logo - I've now added a photo at the bottom of my website of a Pool Publication I published in the 1990's using this type logo.

I was actually wrong in my statement above, my husband wants me to press Federal charges against the guy - I'm not wanting to sue for Ca$h... I just want this guy to stop.

Federal Charges ? Federal charges for what ? Trying to protect his business ? Don't take me wrong I am not meaning to sound rude but this is a civil matter not a criminal federal matter. If I was you I would just contact that attorney and give him a few thousand dollars to write this guy a letter & resolve it. By the looks of your posting you are probably correct and I wish you luck. It just sickens me in these days & times to see every time there is a dispute someone his yelling LAWYERS.
 
Angela,
As this is a pending legal matter, I have been instructed by my attorney to refrain from posting any commentary on the subject.

But I do have a concern that is separate from the copyright and trademark matter at hand that I can address...And that is, I would appreciate it if you would refrain from posting my personal information on public forums. i.e. Please remove such information from you post here ASAP.

I have no problem with you bringing this issue up for discussion. You have every right to get input from other parties. But again, it serves no purpose to post my personal information (i.e. address and phone) over the internet, including but not limited to Myspace and Facebook.

Thank you.
-Jake Schwartz
 
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I would have to agree with Jake. I'd be highly upset if someone was to post my personal information on a public forum. That's a VERY bad idea IMHO.

Not taking sides but I definitely see Jake's point.
 
I've tried to take the high road...

I placed this video after some of the drama on MySpace to all my friends, hoping to bring an end to all of this. I believe there are a lot of pool players out there and a lot of t-shirt designers and artists - Room for everybody. You all see my photo here on AZ so I thought you could see how I have tried to take the high road on this matter.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ylef0eWOwh8
http:www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ylef0eWOwh8


............. This was posted almost a month ago
 
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You are correct

Angela,
As this is a pending legal matter, I have been instructed by my attorney to refrain from posting any commentary on the subject.

But I do have a concern that is separate from the copyright and trademark matter at hand that I can address...And that is, I would appreciate it if you would refrain from posting my personal information on public forums. i.e. Please remove such information from you post here ASAP.

I have no problem with you bringing this issue up for discussion. You have every right to get input from other parties. But again, it serves no purpose to post my personal information (i.e. address and phone) all over the internet.

Thank you.
-Jake Schwartz



I've removed your Email, address and Phone number from my post.
 
I appreciate you addressing the issue. Please be advised though, as of this moment there is still personal information included in middle of your first post. It may have just got lost in the shuffle when reviewing what to remove. But please act accordingly and take it out. Thank you.

-Jake
 
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Angela,
As this is a pending legal matter, I have been instructed by my attorney to refrain from posting any commentary on the subject.

But I do have a concern that is separate from the copyright and trademark matter at hand that I can address...And that is, I would appreciate it if you would refrain from posting my personal information on public forums. i.e. Please remove such information from you post here ASAP.

I have no problem with you bringing this issue up for discussion. You have every right to get input from other parties. But again, it serves no purpose to post my personal information (i.e. address and phone) all over the internet.

Thank you.
-Jake Schwartz

Oddly enough, I was just contacted yesterday by Jake at Pooltees.com. So this thread stood out for me. What strikes me as strange is that the "personal information" he refers to is all available on his own website. It's not hard to find. That causes me to question his above response to Andrea.

Personally, I think there are a lot of teams, players and poolrooms in the billiard industry. Probably more than enough to support more than one T-Shirt manufacturer. No one company can corral that market. My observation is that the best way to trump your competition is to put out a better product, i.e. more creative designs, better quality shirts, better pricing, BETTER CUSTOMER SERVICE, etc. etc.

Trying to get them shut down is not good business, and the resulting law suit will only hurt everybody. Does anyone have any idea how many poolrooms share the same name? And how many bars? Need I explain my point here. What is obvious to me is that Andrea is NOT using the same name as Jake's company, or the same logo. I hope that we can all tell the difference between PoolTees and PoolRoomTees. At least those of us who have gone beyond the first grade. I loved the first grade, all four years! :eek:
 
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A) The logos are different, except that both have pool balls as the "o", something LOTS of people do in the industry. Except one uses two eight balls, and the other uses a nine ball and an eight ball.

B) Your shirt designs look nothing alike.

I also just want to say... this site has a history of boycotting vendors and even cuemakers who make trouble. I would hate to see that happen to either of you, as both obviously love to bring positive attention to pool and billiards.
 
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Hello my fellow Pool Players and Az'ers.

I've been battling a CyberBully or CyberHarasser for a few weeks now. I'm asking your advice here... What to do. My husband want's me to sue but for me I just hope he gives up and leaves me alone.

I have a website: http://www.PoolRoomTees.com

I am being harassed by the owner of the website http://www.PoolTees.com

Here is a breakdown of what has happened so far:


Submitted Apeal 3/11/2009

I would not contact them again personally. Have an attorney send them a letter and I doubt you will hear from them again. Then again, they may be in the right. Either way you need an attorney involved. I should add. If they talk to an attorney themselves they will be warned of frivolous legal actions. Once they fine they can be libel for thousands of dollars in legal fees if their action is deemed frivolous they will be scared off real quick. It is the same thing insurance companies use. If you are ever involved in a law suit and receive one of these letters explaining how law suits are not lotteries and you can be a big loser if you don't prevail. It scares the hell out of you.
 
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