Harder To Jump With Polished Balls?

Eric. said:
He sez he's been a good player for years, but why is he asking lots of questions a decent player should know already? :confused:


Eric
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This is your contribution to the thread?

I can tell you from my VAST experience, yes I said V A S T - as in way more than you will ever have, that there are lots and lots of decent players out there who have trouble with the jump shot even when using a jump cue.

Tell me Eric since you seem to want to put your self in the role of AZB's resident speed clocker, what speed does a person have to be in order to know everything about pool like you do?

I only ask because I see you often doing nothing to contribute but a lot of questioning other people's statements about their own skill level?

Was there ever a time when you didn't know everything about pool?

JohnnyT harms no one on this forum and he asked a decent question and you have nothing better to do than insult him and essentially call him a liar?

Really classy Eric, really classy.
 
No difference at all. Ive got a diamond ball polisher and ive jumped with them straight out of the machine before. Like JB said its technique. If im miscuing or not getting air its usually cause im poking at the ball and not following through.
 
JoeyA said:
With the talk about champion Yu Ram Cha having difficulty on jumping balls, I was just wondering. Is it my imagination or do shorter people have more difficulty jumping balls? Does height have anything to do with ability to jump?

I realize there are exception and that John Schmidt is not 6'2" but can jump very accurately but it seems to me that the taller players have FAR LESS trouble jumping.

Conversely, we have a local guy 6'3" who has been playing pool for 40 years and he can't jump AT ALL. He's white but still......

BTW, John, you really gave up a lot of great tips on jumping and the offer to help AZBers time permitting at Valley Forge is awesome. Sorry I won't be there.
JoeyA
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Im 5'6 "and can jump a full ball 3 inches away. I definietly cant reach out as far onto the table as id like but that goes for any shot not just jump shots. Also the dart stroke jump helps alot when your not tall enough to look down on the ball. as in when its out in the middle of the table.
I dont think it matters either way.
 
TXsouthpaw said:
Im 5'6 "and can jump a full ball 3 inches away. I definietly cant reach out as far onto the table as id like but that goes for any shot not just jump shots. Also the dart stroke jump helps alot when your not tall enough to look down on the ball. as in when its out in the middle of the table.
I dont think it matters either way.
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Good points.

I think flexibility matters too. If you have joint problems, arthritis, or just lack of flexibility, it's hard to get the cue elevated enough with a conventional stroke. That's one reason older guys might have a little trouble with it.

The main thing is to hit firmly through the center line of the cue ball. When you are elevated, the tendency is to hit below it.

Chris
 
Johnnyt said:
I've only owned a jump cue for about 6 months or so. I can't think of any shot that has given me more trouble over the last 50+ years than the jump shot. I have watched videos and read about how to jump in books and on these threads. I've never had a problem learning how to do things like this before.

I think I know the problem now. I keep my pool balls and QB very clean and highly polished all the time. I have Tour Edition cloth stretched like a drum skin. I have a Valley that has 3/4" slate. I believe what is happening is the QB starts sliding forward before it grabs the cloth to go airborn. Does this sound right? Johnnyt
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I think that's part of the problem and one suggestion i'd like to make is to be sure that your grip hand is loose when you strike the cue ball. A tight grip will ruin your jump shot.....

James
 
Johnnyt said:
I've only owned a jump cue for about 6 months or so. I can't think of any shot that has given me more trouble over the last 50+ years than the jump shot. I have watched videos and read about how to jump in books and on these threads. I've never had a problem learning how to do things like this before.

I think I know the problem now. I keep my pool balls and QB very clean and highly polished all the time. I have Tour Edition cloth stretched like a drum skin. I have a Valley that has 3/4" slate. I believe what is happening is the QB starts sliding forward before it grabs the cloth to go airborn. Does this sound right? Johnnyt
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I would say it is maybe a little harder with polished ball, I have a ball polisher and also play with new balls sometimes, it might be harder but not alot harder. Get your self a Lomax Jump cue that will solve any troubles you have.
 
Johnnyt said:
I've only owned a jump cue for about 6 months or so. I can't think of any shot that has given me more trouble over the last 50+ years than the jump shot. I have watched videos and read about how to jump in books and on these threads. I've never had a problem learning how to do things like this before.

I think I know the problem now. I keep my pool balls and QB very clean and highly polished all the time. I have Tour Edition cloth stretched like a drum skin. I have a Valley that has 3/4" slate. I believe what is happening is the QB starts sliding forward before it grabs the cloth to go airborn. Does this sound right? Johnnyt
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Have you tried all of the technique advice here:


not just the videos, but all of the written advice also?

BTW, it ain't the cloth.

Regards,
Dave
 
Mr. Wilson said:
I've intructed him to leave you alone and you to leave him alone...how much further to I need to go to maintain order here?
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I didn't know that I was supposed to leave him alone. I am not stalking him. If a person's sole contribution to a thread is to call another poster a liar then perhaps that isn't really conducive to the general good vibe we would all like to have when hanging out here.

I mean this exact behavior on Eric's part is what started the animosity between Eric and me in the first place.

Take a look at the content of the thread. Every poster is discussing the topic and giving their advice and personal experience and along comes Eric and reads into Chris' comment that JohhnyT is a liar about his skill level.

I am not the person who deserves to be chastised here. The guy that is crapping on the thread is the one who who should step back and re-evaluate what he he brings to the forum.

If he is going to JUMP into a topic then maybe he should try to bring something positive to the table.
 
John, do you doubt that my ( or anyone else's ) reading comprehension would have kept us from recognising what he said?

My direct concern is that of all the people capable of commenting on this, you chose to.



I will ask again.

Please, both of you refrain from commenting on, to or about the other.
 
Johnnyt said:
I've only owned a jump cue for about 6 months or so. I can't think of any shot that has given me more trouble over the last 50+ years than the jump shot. I have watched videos and read about how to jump in books and on these threads. I've never had a problem learning how to do things like this before.

I think I know the problem now. I keep my pool balls and QB very clean and highly polished all the time. I have Tour Edition cloth stretched like a drum skin. I have a Valley that has 3/4" slate. I believe what is happening is the QB starts sliding forward before it grabs the cloth to go airborn. Does this sound right? Johnnyt
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Johnny, most of your problem is probably the slate. If you're technique is good then I'd say it is the slate. Your slate is 3/4" thick where any decent 9 footer is 1" thick or more. The ball rebounds off a solid surface much better than the (give) on 3/4" slate. If you ever played on 2" slate you really see a difference. Don't really need a jump cue depending on the shot of course.

Rod
 
Rod said:
Johnny, most of your problem is probably the slate. If you're technique is good then I'd say it is the slate. Your slate is 3/4" thick where any decent 9 footer is 1" thick or more. The ball rebounds off a solid surface much better than the (give) on 3/4" slate. If you ever played on 2" slate you really see a difference. Don't really need a jump cue depending on the shot of course.

Rod
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2" Slate? Come on. I mean, really, come on. Who's got a 2" slate? Hercules wouldn't want to move that table.

JoeyA
 
Mr. Wilson said:
John, do you doubt that my ( or anyone else's ) reading comprehension would have kept us from recognising what he said?

My direct concern is that of all the people capable of commenting on this, you chose to.



I will ask again.

Please, both of you refrain from commenting on, to or about the other.
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Fine. Works for me. It's a good exercise in learning to ignore the inconsequential.

You're right. Ultimately every one else can see the value or lack thereof in the posts of those of us who participate here often.
 
JoeyA said:
2" Slate? Come on. I mean, really, come on. Who's got a 2" slate? Hercules wouldn't want to move that table.

JoeyA
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Glen (RKC) tosses them around like almost nothing, man he is strong, 3C tables have 2 3/8" slates I think or 2 1/4", most of the time.

The perfect table IMO would have a steel frame and slates that thick. Someday I might attempt to have a one off custome table with those specs built, probably a limited edition of 10, I would actually bring the idea to Diamond and ample $$$ and see if they would be interested,

best
eric
 
well...

Johnnyt said:
I've only owned a jump cue for about 6 months or so. I can't think of any shot that has given me more trouble over the last 50+ years than the jump shot. I have watched videos and read about how to jump in books and on these threads. I've never had a problem learning how to do things like this before.

I think I know the problem now. I keep my pool balls and QB very clean and highly polished all the time. I have Tour Edition cloth stretched like a drum skin. I have a Valley that has 3/4" slate. I believe what is happening is the QB starts sliding forward before it grabs the cloth to go airborn. Does this sound right? Johnnyt
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honestly...
every time i've had MY balls polished, (spit-shined prefferably) i seem to feel far more relaxed, and tend to play much better position...and very rarely needing to jump.
OH, YOU MEANT POOLBALLS!

c'mon yall...ya knew this was coming eventually, right?

BLS
 
THE ULTIMATE POOL TABLE by Connelly.

AtLarge said:
Connelly's "Ultimate" model pool table has 2-inch slate!
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Then that may very well be Earl's favorite table. :grin:

BTW, thanks for the info.

Connelly has some very beautiful and uniquely styled tables... that can be seen here.

JoeyA
 
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