Heart rate data during play....

Black-Balled

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But in all honesty...here's a bike race I did recently.
Those are each a lap and I gave up with about 1km to go. Too hard.
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FranCrimi

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Adrenaline definitely contributes. One way I can tell I'm going to play well is when my sinuses suddenly clear. Adrenaline does all sorts of good things to your body including tightening your sinus membranes. It also sharpens and narrows our vision. It's good. No need to fight it. But drop off with fatigue is a problem for longer events. Try to find ways to 'switch off' between matches so you don't tank.

(Easier said than done.)
A little adrenaline can be good. Not a lot, though, and certainly not all day long. It is too taxing on your body, and unhealthy.
 
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Welder84

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I played in a tournament last week and did well by my standards, but I was really surprised when I looked at my heart rate data from my watch the following day. For the entire time, even when not actively playing, my heart rate was elevated (> 110 bpm) and my heart stress was high. For reference, my typical long walk heart rate is 80-90 bpm and my stress is normally less than 40.

Here's the data, play started at 8PM and ended at 2AM. I had a break after my first match at 9 but HR was elevated for the remainder of the night even when I wasn't playing.

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Stress (low heart rate variability = high stress). This is maxed out near 100 until the finals ended around 2. The gaps are where I was moving and there's not accurate data to show.

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I now see this response is true for most players, including SVB (link) and Fedor (link). It's also true in other sports like golf and chess.

It's an interesting training question. I'm not in too terrible shape but by the time of the finals my body was stressed like I had gone for a 6 hour mountain hike, but without me consciously knowing as I wasn't sweating and didn't feel fatigued (also note I was sober and in a comfortable playing environment).

Casual practicing doesn't replicate this situation, so I'm curious if better players do anything to prepare for playing under this type of fatigue? Playing in lots of tournaments / long action is one option. And certainly some use chemical enhancements. Seems like I could sometimes exercise before practicing, although I've never heard of such a thing?
So, cardio might be the most important factor to complete at a high level. Runner's and cyclist have a major advantage playing pool. And if a players heart rate is at real high level, then they are burning to much energy.

Breathing exercises and a heart rate monitor could also be a huge advantage when training to complete.
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A little adrenaline can be good. Not a lot, though, and certainly not all day long. It is too taxing on your body, and unhealthy.
I agree. The hard part is calming down and relaxing when you don't need to be on. Adrenaline in the moment when it's critical is a good thing. Red lining all day is a recipe for a crash. I've done the test. 6ish hours and you're cooked.
 

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A few years ago I took a medical stress test on an inclined treadmill.
My heard rate reached 165.
I am currently 70 years old.

Back in college my heart rate would reach 200 while swimming shorted distance races.
did you pass your test?
because your heart rate doesnt say if you had any signs or symptoms.
if you passed you are in great shape...(y)
 

MitchAlsup

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did you pass your test?
because your heart rate doesnt say if you had any signs or symptoms.
if you passed you are in great shape...(y)
Did I pass the test: Well somewhat.
I am not in "that great" of shape and living off the <slowly dwindling> great shape I got into on the swim team in college.

We were tracking down some fainting spells I was having.
 

bbb

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Did I pass the test: Well somewhat.
I am not in "that great" of shape and living off the <slowly dwindling> great shape I got into on the swim team in college.

We were tracking down some fainting spells I was having.
Hope you / they figure it out and you are better👍
 

MitchAlsup

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Hope you / they figure it out and you are better👍
It was an interaction with the caffeine I was drinking during the day (ice tea) and a dose of alcohol right when the caffeine ran out, and a precursor of type 2 diabetes.

Basically I was given a choice of giving up caffeine or alcohol. I made the better choice.
 
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I played in a tournament last week and did well by my standards, but I was really surprised when I looked at my heart rate data from my watch the following day. For the entire time, even when not actively playing, my heart rate was elevated (> 110 bpm) and my heart stress was high. For reference, my typical long walk heart rate is 80-90 bpm and my stress is normally less than 40.

Here's the data, play started at 8PM and ended at 2AM. I had a break after my first match at 9 but HR was elevated for the remainder of the night even when I wasn't playing.

View attachment 705831

Stress (low heart rate variability = high stress). This is maxed out near 100 until the finals ended around 2. The gaps are where I was moving and there's not accurate data to show.

View attachment 705833

I now see this response is true for most players, including SVB (link) and Fedor (link). It's also true in other sports like golf and chess.

It's an interesting training question. I'm not in too terrible shape but by the time of the finals my body was stressed like I had gone for a 6 hour mountain hike, but without me consciously knowing as I wasn't sweating and didn't feel fatigued (also note I was sober and in a comfortable playing environment).

Casual practicing doesn't replicate this situation, so I'm curious if better players do anything to prepare for playing under this type of fatigue? Playing in lots of tournaments / long action is one option. And certainly some use chemical enhancements. Seems like I could sometimes exercise before practicing, although I've never heard of such a thing?
Heart rate variability is used in sports psychology as a marker of sympathetic vs, parasympathetic tone. greater HRV as measured by r-wave peak-to-peak intervals which decreases with sympathetic nervous system dominance (fight-flight/arousal) and increases with parasympathetic tone mediated by the vagus nerve. When a mammal is relatively calm the heart rate will increase with inspiration and decrease as you conserve heartbeats as you exhale Co2. Also known as the baroreceptor reflex or respiratory sinus arrhythmia, it is a braking reflex which is why you squeeze the trigger while exhaling. You can increase heart rate variability by gently breathing at the resonant frequency of this reflex (0.1Hz) which is about six breaths per minute. A mammal's cardiac electrical activity randomly ranges between 0 and 0.4 Hz.with this reflex occurring at 0.1 Hz. Respiration is uniquely under voluntary control when conscious. When two parts of a closed-loop system (respiration/cardiac) are at the same frequency, resonance occurs increasing the reflex and vagal tone. The vagus nerve which reports to the brain and back affects the cortex positively eliciting an EEG similar to the zone or flow state. 30-40 minutes accrued throughout the day for about ten weeks can strengthen the reflex by 30% in some people.

Now this does not mean you breathe at 6 BPM while playing. It's more like exercising your brakes on Nautilus equipment to strengthen and improve your ability to access this state in the middle of a match with a few breaths after you have strengthened and hard-wired it.


If you want an entertaining, deeper dive into how athletes use some of these techniques at a program at Rutgers check out this podcast:
 

kling&allen

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Heart rate variability is used in sports psychology as a marker of sympathetic vs, parasympathetic tone. greater HRV as measured by r-wave peak-to-peak intervals which decreases with sympathetic nervous system dominance (fight-flight/arousal) and increases with parasympathetic tone mediated by the vagus nerve. When a mammal is relatively calm the heart rate will increase with inspiration and decrease as you conserve heartbeats as you exhale Co2. Also known as the baroreceptor reflex or respiratory sinus arrhythmia, it is a braking reflex which is why you squeeze the trigger while exhaling. You can increase heart rate variability by gently breathing at the resonant frequency of this reflex (0.1Hz) which is about six breaths per minute. A mammal's cardiac electrical activity randomly ranges between 0 and 0.4 Hz.with this reflex occurring at 0.1 Hz. Respiration is uniquely under voluntary control when conscious. When two parts of a closed-loop system (respiration/cardiac) are at the same frequency, resonance occurs increasing the reflex and vagal tone. The vagus nerve which reports to the brain and back affects the cortex positively eliciting an EEG similar to the zone or flow state. 30-40 minutes accrued throughout the day for about ten weeks can strengthen the reflex by 30% in some people.

Now this does not mean you breathe at 6 BPM while playing. It's more like exercising your brakes on Nautilus equipment to strengthen and improve your ability to access this state in the middle of a match with a few breaths after you have strengthened and hard-wired it.


If you want an entertaining, deeper dive into how athletes use some of these techniques at a program at Rutgers check out this podcast:

Thank you, excellent info on HRV. I’ve tweaked my watch to show it during play and I’m going to explore some of these exercises to see if I fare better (from a fatigue standpoint) in long matches.
 

Jaden

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I played in a tournament last week and did well by my standards, but I was really surprised when I looked at my heart rate data from my watch the following day. For the entire time, even when not actively playing, my heart rate was elevated (> 110 bpm) and my heart stress was high. For reference, my typical long walk heart rate is 80-90 bpm and my stress is normally less than 40.

Here's the data, play started at 8PM and ended at 2AM. I had a break after my first match at 9 but HR was elevated for the remainder of the night even when I wasn't playing.

View attachment 705831

Stress (low heart rate variability = high stress). This is maxed out near 100 until the finals ended around 2. The gaps are where I was moving and there's not accurate data to show.

View attachment 705833

I now see this response is true for most players, including SVB (link) and Fedor (link). It's also true in other sports like golf and chess.

It's an interesting training question. I'm not in too terrible shape but by the time of the finals my body was stressed like I had gone for a 6 hour mountain hike, but without me consciously knowing as I wasn't sweating and didn't feel fatigued (also note I was sober and in a comfortable playing environment).

Casual practicing doesn't replicate this situation, so I'm curious if better players do anything to prepare for playing under this type of fatigue? Playing in lots of tournaments / long action is one option. And certainly some use chemical enhancements. Seems like I could sometimes exercise before practicing, although I've never heard of such a thing?
I was playing Shane McMinn in a tourney in OKC several years ago and I could feel my heart rate super high. I had someone come up to me after the match and say "Man, you looked so calm and collected that whole match".

I replied "Well my heart sure didn't feel calm and collected"...

Jaden
 

Quesports

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you have the heart of a 40 year old...........congratulations :)
PM me your secret.......(y)
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Thanks for putting out the numbers on the graph. I will be 71 soon and have gone as high as 162 bpm doing intervals on my Kurt Road bike trainer. Albeit for short periods of time. Normally in an hour long session 45 minutes are between 130 and 150 bpm.
I feel pretty good about those numbers and am now increasing the accumulated time for each session to improve my cardiovascular health. My minimum for cycling sessions is 45 minutes with most about one hour.

Fighting off old age is a full time job!
 

RunoutJJ

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Personally I think that at certain levels of play really make a deference when it comes to elevated heart heart or “nervous”

At the amateur level it seems that in pressure situations the heart rate increases at a high level due to either lack of experience and/or lack of confidence in competitive play. Resulting in either bad shot selection and execution on certain shots.

At a higher level most pros don’t bend or fail under pressure. Most likely due to consistent practice and competive play against themselves and not their opponents.

Don’t get me wrong if a top flight pro is playing a top flight pro and putting it on him there will be pressure and they will make mistakes due to this deress BUT….. These top players realize that they are playing against the table and not their opponent. Typical a top flight player will be able to bounce back to “practice” mode when it is presented to themselves.

The amateur don’t have that kind of mental game to carry them so it really Varys on the match and those involved
 
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