Heartless apa lo !!!

LeagueGuy said:
Based on your comment then I assume that if at the US Open, Earl and Archer are playing and one of them has a health problem that involves hospitalization, then the TD should just cancel the tournament and screw the other 254 players that entered.

Get your head out of your A$$.

It is a tournament. You need a winner or loser in order for the tournament to proceed.

I can only imagine the threads on here if the LO had of postponed the tournament.

Another player would be on here bashing that the LO postponed the tournament and was never goinna pay out the trips to Vegas. Then all of you who bash the APA would be spouting off about that.

Most of you people are like lemmings. You see one stupid comment with no thought and you all pile on. Use your head and think of the ramifications for 20 other teams (not to mention the league in general) if the LO does not continue with the tournament.

I feel very sorry for the guy that had the heart attack, and his family and teamates, but to say that the LO should have stopped the entire tournament is IDIOTIC at best.

But I guess for those who want to bash the APA, you don't need any logic and you certainly don;t need any brains. Pile on everyone.

Legueguy
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You really should read and comprehend the contents of a thread before posting. Talk about someone needing to get their head out of their A$$

Comparing that tourney to a US open is hilarious. The only thing better is you then coming behind it and saying "it doesnt matter to you and me" playing it off like its not one of your biggest tournaments of the year :thumbup:
 
LeagueGuy said:
How would pushing the match back a day affect the other teams? Maybe some of them had a player who could not be there for some reason. All I am saying is that there is far more impact to moving a match back then people have given thought to.
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They were playing this tournament at different locations with following matches being played the next day. If the match had been postponed they could have continued the match on the next day and at worst held up two teams (waiting for the winners and losers of current match) a couple hours. If they got an early enough start it may not have even delayed them at all.
 
LeagueGuy said:
Based on your comment then I assume that if at the US Open, Earl and Archer are playing and one of them has a health problem that involves hospitalization, then the TD should just cancel the tournament and screw the other 254 players that entered.

Get your head out of your A$$.

It is a tournament. You need a winner or loser in order for the tournament to proceed.

I can only imagine the threads on here if the LO had of postponed the tournament.

Another player would be on here bashing that the LO postponed the tournament and was never goinna pay out the trips to Vegas. Then all of you who bash the APA would be spouting off about that.

Most of you people are like lemmings. You see one stupid comment with no thought and you all pile on. Use your head and think of the ramifications for 20 other teams (not to mention the league in general) if the LO does not continue with the tournament.

I feel very sorry for the guy that had the heart attack, and his family and teamates, but to say that the LO should have stopped the entire tournament is IDIOTIC at best.

But I guess for those who want to bash the APA, you don't need any logic and you certainly don;t need any brains. Pile on everyone.

Legueguy
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This is about the cold-heartedest, stupid comment that I have ever seen on here.

I don't usually respond to these type threads, but there is always an exception.

The LO should have given the 2 captains the option of completing the match at a later time, whether that be the next day, night, or whenever. That would have been the proper thing to do. If they agreed to play during the day on the day prior to the next round, etc, then fine...if the team with the sick team member decided later to forfeit, then fine, but both teams were clearly entitled to overcome a shock of this nature.

If the guy was my team-mate, and he had a heart attack, playing a game of pool would have been the last thing on my mind (BTW, I have had a heart attack...I did not care for a game of pool at that moment, either).

I guess that if the guy had been playing his match at the time that the heart attack occurred, he would have simply have forfeited his match, the team needed to continue match play, and, oh yes, don't forget to get the guy's $10 for that night's play.

Joe
 
woody_968 said:
You really should read and comprehend the contents of a thread before posting. Talk about someone needing to get their head out of their A$$

Comparing that tourney to a US open is hilarious. The only thing better is you then coming behind it and saying "it doesnt matter to you and me" playing it off like its not one of your biggest tournaments of the year :thumbup:
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The point I was trying to make is that to many of the people playing, it is comparible as this is their one big event of the year when they can win something big. You obviously do not get it.

You must be so good and play in so many big events that the fact that a lower skilled player considers an APA event to be "the big event" is lost on you.

Have a good day.
 
Bamacues said:
This is about the cold-heartedest, stupid comment that I have ever seen on here.

I don't usually respond to these type threads, but there is always an exception.

The LO should have given the 2 captains the option of completing the match at a later time, whether that be the next day, night, or whenever. That would have been the proper thing to do. If they agreed to play during the day on the day prior to the next round, etc, then fine...if the team with the sick team member decided later to forfeit, then fine, but both teams were clearly entitled to overcome a shock of this nature.

If the guy was my team-mate, and he had a heart attack, playing a game of pool would have been the last thing on my mind (BTW, I have had a heart attack...I did not care for a game of pool at that moment, either).

I guess that if the guy had been playing his match at the time that the heart attack occurred, he would have simply have forfeited his match, the team needed to continue match play, and, oh yes, don't forget to get the guy's $10 for that night's play.

Joe
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Just for the record, if you delay one match, it effects every match from there on out. If the 8:00 match needs to wait until 12:00, the the 12:00 cant go till 4:00 and the 4:00 till 8:00.

It pushes the entire event back 1 round.

I know that woukld be hard for you to understand, but please try, you are giving me a headache having to explain it over and over again.

skippy
 
LeagueGuy said:
Just for the record, if you delay one match, it effects every match from there on out. If the 8:00 match needs to wait until 12:00, the the 12:00 cant go till 4:00 and the 4:00 till 8:00.

It pushes the entire event back 1 round.

I know that woukld be hard for you to understand, but please try, you are giving me a headache having to explain it over and over again.

skippy
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If one of your team-mates, friends, or weeknight acquanitances has a heart attack or dies at the table next to you, if affects more than just him. It affects his family (some of whom might be there with him), his teammates, his friends, and all of his APA acquaintances...pushing something back by a couple of hours is no big deal. Vegas is not until August...this is only June.

I don't get a headache, and your words are something that you can not explain. You can't even pretend to explain away your heartless BS. Were you the LO who made the call to continue play as usual?

Joe
 
Bamacues said:
If one of your team-mates, friends, or weeknight acquanitances has a heart attack or dies at the table next to you, if affects more than just him. It affects his family (some of whom might be there with him), his teammates, his friends, and all of his APA acquaintances...pushing something back by a couple of hours is no big deal. Vegas is not until August...this is only June.

I don't get a headache, and your words are something that you can not explain. You can't even pretend to explain away your heartless BS. Were you the LO who made the call to continue play as usual?

Joe
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Joe,

I do feel very sorry for the friends and family of the person that had the heart attack. I am not a callous individual at all. In fact, had it been my team, we would have dropped out of the tournament. I have actually done that in the past at a travveling tournament. The guy I went with got sick and we left mid event.

And, I am not a LO, divison rep ect. just a long time poolplayer (both APA and BCA) who is sick of all the lemming like comments about the APA L.O's. - I have nothing but good experiences with them.

All i am trying to point out is that if you delay the event, by 4 hours, a day, or even a week, some other team is possibly going to get screwed because they had their players ready to play at the scheduled time.

While it may come off as heatless by the LO, it is more than likely a decision based on the fact that they could have either forced 2 teams to complete the match or potentially screwed over one of 20 + other teams by changing the schedule by to the benefit of the 2 teams.

It is not as cut and dried as everyone here is making it out to be.

That is all i am trying to point out, but no one seems to consider the other aspects of making a decision like that.

Leagueguy
 
LeagueGuy said:
Joe,

I do feel very sorry for the friends and family of the person that had the heart attack. I am not a callous individual at all. In fact, had it been my team, we would have dropped out of the tournament. I have actually done that in the past at a travveling tournament. The guy I went with got sick and we left mid event.

And, I am not a LO, divison rep ect. just a long time poolplayer (both APA and BCA) who is sick of all the lemming like comments about the APA L.O's. - I have nothing but good experiences with them.

All i am trying to point out is that if you delay the event, by 4 hours, a day, or even a week, some other team is possibly going to get screwed because they had their players ready to play at the scheduled time.

While it may come off as heatless by the LO, it is more than likely a decision based on the fact that they could have either forced 2 teams to complete the match or potentially screwed over one of 20 + other teams by changing the schedule by to the benefit of the 2 teams.

It is not as cut and dried as everyone here is making it out to be.

That is all i am trying to point out, but no one seems to consider the other aspects of making a decision like that.

Leagueguy
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I do understand your point of view, but, no matter what the status of the tourny at that point, there were other options available. Leave the decision to the 2 captains with the caveat that you continue play now, or you complete play prior to the next round of the event. Let them make the call. They know how their teammates were affected. The LO who was not present does not.

The APA is about friends and family and social activity. I pretty much guarantee you that this episode has not made the APA stronger in the area that this happened in. Wait until someone gives the story to the local newspaper or TV station, or writes a "nice" editorial about the "uncaring" APA.

I have been an APA member for quite a while, myself. I have been on teams that made it to Vegas 7 of the last 10 years. We have had tournaments postponed/delayed by events that could not be controlled before (snow, etc). Terry Justice has always had a viable option available, and no tournament has gone uncompleted.

I like the APA, too.

Joe
 
LeagueGuy said:
What you are forgetting is that this is the equivalent of the US Open for the lower-mid skilled players. This is what they play for all year.
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I play in TWO APA leagues and trust me, this is NOT (Vegas) what I play for.

Maniac
 
LeagueGuy said:
And, I am not a LO, divison rep ect. just a long time poolplayer (both APA and BCA) who is sick of all the lemming like comments about the APA L.O's. - I have nothing but good experiences with them.
Leagueguy
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That's good that YOU have had nothing but good experiences from L.O.'s. But it is obvious that MANY people have not been as fortunate as you, and they have every right to post THEIR experiences and opinions on here just like you have.

I guess I'm a lemming because I HAVE NOT had good experiences with my area L.O. Should I be concerned???

Maniac
 
LeagueGuy said:
Just for the record, if you delay one match, it effects every match from there on out. If the 8:00 match needs to wait until 12:00, the the 12:00 cant go till 4:00 and the 4:00 till 8:00.

It pushes the entire event back 1 round.

I know that woukld be hard for you to understand, but please try, you are giving me a headache having to explain it over and over again.

skippy
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Exactly. It would very simple to make an exception for this situation. You said it yourself above. Move things around. Playing at a different time isn't the end of the world and given the situation I am sure everyone would understand.
 
LeagueGuy said:
The point I was trying to make is that to many of the people playing, it is comparible as this is their one big event of the year when they can win something big. You obviously do not get it.

You must be so good and play in so many big events that the fact that a lower skilled player considers an APA event to be "the big event" is lost on you.

Have a good day.
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I have several good friends that play APA, and I still play VNEA. I do understand the importance of playoffs to the players. And not a one of them would compare it to a US Open. Is it important to them? Of course. Would they sweat over a slight delay if something like the OP happened? NOT A CHANCE.


LeagueGuy said:
Just for the record, if you delay one match, it effects every match from there on out. If the 8:00 match needs to wait until 12:00, the the 12:00 cant go till 4:00 and the 4:00 till 8:00.

It pushes the entire event back 1 round.

I know that woukld be hard for you to understand, but please try, you are giving me a headache having to explain it over and over again.

skippy
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Your getting a headache trying to explain it because you dont understand how the tournament was being ran. They were playing at multiple locations, and there was not going to be another match played that night. So if the effected teams had talked about it and would be able to complete their match the next day before the other scheduled matches no one would have been put out.

Even if they could have only started a couple hours before the next days matches, you would have had two matches start a couple hours later and I dont think anyone would fault that considering the circumstances.

I get what you are saying. If this were in a normal tournament format where you had a large tournament board potentially being held up by the delay I could see there being a major problem. But based on how this tournament was running at this point I think some other solutions could have been looked at.

My reply earlier was being a bit of a smart a$$, for that I am sorry. I do get what these tournaments are to the players who play in them.

And for the record, while I do not currently play in the APA I often defend it for what it is. A league that gets a lot of people playing pool that may not otherwise be playing. It is great for what it is designed to do. But unfortunately there are a lot of LO's out there that are hurting the league (not singling out the one the original poster was talking about).
 
Here's what I would have done (had I been able to think fast enough - sometimes you make the wrong call just because you don't have time to think it through).

Tell both teams to go home. One of them would have won, and would advance to another scheduled match. Have both teams show up at the location of that match, two hours before the scheduled time. Inform the second-round opponent that they must wait for a winner to be determined, then they are to start the second round match. If they are unable to complete the match that night, do the same thing with the third round match. There's a little bit of an issue with score sheets, but the LO could pull it off with a laptop and a printer.

Eventually you catch up, and nobody plays on a day they wouldn't have been scheduled to play anyway. Nobody is inconvenienced more than a couple of hours, and you get the tournament finished on time without appearing to be callous or heartless.

Again, that would be my solution if I could think of it in time.
 
kybanks said:
My player is at home now and doing well and making a great recovery and i must say ken and his team had the upmost respect in a time when it mattered most. We greatly appreciate it.
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Let your player know that a lot of people that dont know him are wishing him the best and a speedy recovery.
 
kybanks said:
What ken has said it true. BUT LET ME STRESS BUT I talked with the league operator and to his defense there was 8 teams that had byes and the winner of our 2 teams had to play the very next night. This city tournament has no scheduled off nights unless you go to the losers bracket. When this took place i called the league operator and his words was we could not make this match up unless we could do it the next day at dinner cause he had to have the scores put in and next match scheduled for that night. Well no teams are going to take off work to play a match.

So that being said he told me that the match would have to be played or it would be a forefit. Coming from the other side of the fence i see where he was coming from far as a tournament standpoint. My team chose to stay and play. Granite like ken stated everyone was shook up so i really feel like no one shot their best game. The whole 80% mental of pool deal went right out the window. We did end up getting beat that night but went on to finish in top 8. My player is at home now and doing well and making a great recovery and i must say ken and his team had the upmost respect in a time when it mattered most. We greatly appreciate it.
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All this internet arguing is not important to me.

How is the man that had an attack? Is he doing better?
 
Yea what Woody said:thumbup:.

League Guy, Before you bark at me be sure of yourself. I am a happy APA player. Our league operators are not too bad. A little slow on getting the scores done. But otherwise just fine. I was all set to give you a piece of my mind ( a small one at that:embarrassed2:) But you posted what I was going to say exactly. There was no need to finish that night. The two teams could have met up at say 8 am and finished it the next morning. Both teams would have been able to compete at a high level. And it would have been fair. No one would have been inconvenienced and it would have been a happy ending for all. You have the right of it. That's the way it should have been done.

Kybanks I'm glad your player will be fine. Please convey to him my most sincere wishes for a full and speedy recovery.

Mark Shuman
 
kybanks said:
everyone was shook up so i really feel like no one shot their best game. The whole 80% mental of pool deal went right out the window. We did end up getting beat that night but went on to finish in top 8.

My player is at home now and doing well and making a great recovery and i must say ken and his team had the upmost respect in a time when it mattered most. We greatly appreciate it.
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Congratulations on you and your team for doing as well as you did under the circumstances.

My very best wishes to your player who got sick. I hope he makes a full and speedy recovery and gets back on the table. An experience like he had really puts things in perspective.

Joe
 
kybanks said:
What ken has said it true. BUT LET ME STRESS BUT I talked with the league operator and to his defense there was 8 teams that had byes and the winner of our 2 teams had to play the very next night. This city tournament has no scheduled off nights unless you go to the losers bracket. When this took place i called the league operator and his words was we could not make this match up unless we could do it the next day at dinner cause he had to have the scores put in and next match scheduled for that night. Well no teams are going to take off work to play a match.

So that being said he told me that the match would have to be played or it would be a forefit. Coming from the other side of the fence i see where he was coming from far as a tournament standpoint. My team chose to stay and play. Granite like ken stated everyone was shook up so i really feel like no one shot their best game. The whole 80% mental of pool deal went right out the window. We did end up getting beat that night but went on to finish in top 8. My player is at home now and doing well and making a great recovery and i must say ken and his team had the upmost respect in a time when it mattered most. We greatly appreciate it.
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I felt sorry for your team and it sure put us in an awkward position. I am glad you did as well as you did. With another bullet (match to lose) you might have done even better.

Your team showed class, and I respect that. Furthermore, this was my first session here and all the teams we played showed class and I think they all should be proud of the teams.

Ken
 
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