That was pretty lame of the LO.
Heartless apa lo !!!
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mr8ball
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One thing I cant understand about the APA. You know that someone involved with the APA has to come on here and read some of the things that are said about their league. With that being said why don't they check into some of these things and try to make it better. I guess its more about the money then anything. I tired it once and it's not for me. They are all take and no give. I am glad the guy is OK anyway. Great job by your team mate. Congrats on the winn
what if both team captains had simply told the LO we refuse to play. I don't know how important a loss would have been to either team in the overall scheme of things, but it certainly would have been a viable form of protest towards the LO's BS insistance. A man who doesn't take a stand for something, will stand for anything........Dan
"One thing I cant understand about the APA. You know that someone involved with the APA has to come on here and read some of the things that are said about their league. With that being said why don't they check into some of these things and try to make it better..."
You mean like me (been LO in greater Kansas City since 1980) asking Ken for some details to verify and getting "... you got my word" and his eyes rolling?
FYI - many APA tournaments, especially round one, are so big the matches have to be spread around town like weekly play. Only when remaining teams get down to a workable number can you combine all remaining matches into one location for balance of the tournament. On that first night we are not at home watching NBA playoffs; we're hovering over the keyboard or within inches of the phone or at the site of what might be a problem match with fire extinguisher at the ready.
You mean like me (been LO in greater Kansas City since 1980) asking Ken for some details to verify and getting "... you got my word" and his eyes rolling?
FYI - many APA tournaments, especially round one, are so big the matches have to be spread around town like weekly play. Only when remaining teams get down to a workable number can you combine all remaining matches into one location for balance of the tournament. On that first night we are not at home watching NBA playoffs; we're hovering over the keyboard or within inches of the phone or at the site of what might be a problem match with fire extinguisher at the ready.
Ken's location is shown at the bottom of his profile in all of his posts. It's not "upper right", though, it's more like "left and down a bit", at least on my computer. I don't see the need for him to reply with such sardonicism, though.
From Ken's declared location it's pretty easy to find the LO's name.
Ken, one of us will make sure your post is seen by someone at the national office. Would you like them to follow up with you? If so, you can send me a private message with your contact info (actually, just your APA membership number will do, they can look up the contact info).
National Office
That is a joke, by the time a decision is made in Lake St Louis the team championships will be WELL over. I only know of one league operator that I would vouch for, he is Bruce Patton, and his wife Dana. They control 3 counties in Southwestern Illinois and payback every team that earns a point. Yes, they take it out of their end. But the league is not being run for sheer GREED. Yes, profit is a good thing. But sheer out and out pilferage is another thing.
Yada Yada Yada, APA is for base line beginners. Anyone that can run 4 balls needs to play Missouri 8 ball, or a similiar league.
That is a joke, by the time a decision is made in Lake St Louis the team championships will be WELL over. I only know of one league operator that I would vouch for, he is Bruce Patton, and his wife Dana. They control 3 counties in Southwestern Illinois and payback every team that earns a point. Yes, they take it out of their end. But the league is not being run for sheer GREED. Yes, profit is a good thing. But sheer out and out pilferage is another thing.
Yada Yada Yada, APA is for base line beginners. Anyone that can run 4 balls needs to play Missouri 8 ball, or a similiar league.
The LO might not be a bad guy here. First off he said it's the tournament to decide who goes to Vegas and it's held each night, and it's the first night. Well maybe they need to see who wins the first match to determine who plays next. Is it fair to the other 20 teams if the entire schedule is thrown off because 2 times couldn't complete their match? If it was regular league night, then it's a different story, they will let you make up a regular once a week league match.
What happened was unfortunate, but when it's a tournament situation, it needs to move along. If you were in a major pool tournament and something happened to you and the guy you were playing, do you think they would postpone for you 2 guys? They would just forfeit you both and move along.
What happened was unfortunate, but when it's a tournament situation, it needs to move along. If you were in a major pool tournament and something happened to you and the guy you were playing, do you think they would postpone for you 2 guys? They would just forfeit you both and move along.
Everytime I hear the words St Louis and APA in the same sentence I laugh, serioulsy I do. The people that work at the office in St Louis have to be just like the inmate's on the movie Shutter Island. I can't even imagine the call's they get about how their LO is a crooked, low life, conniving cheat who only bought the league or operates it so they can manipulate peoples handicap's because they cant even spell pool if you spot them the P and the L......wait, I have heard all those things from people in my town. This is kind of off the subject of this thread but since I know Ken im sure he doesnt care. If people would take the APA for what it is and not look at it as a way to make money, get a "free" trip to Vegas or be fair by any means then they would be better off. It's a good way to hang out with some friends, play some paper pool and gossip about all the other league'rs and how a 4 played like a 7 when they beat a 6 that choke's under any kind of pressure because they are way overrated. I sent in a request for the APA to change their slogan from " Everyone can play and anyone can win " to " Everyone can play and a select lucky few might win ". I hope 1000's of people who are deciding to join the APA read this last statement, and that is...........your handicap is not entirely based on who you beat and your ability, a lot of it is based on who lose's to you. That means a person who can't beat Tom Thumb can be a 5+ when they play some good dump artist's who in all fairness are the only smart one's.
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you must be a lo or a stunod... the apa sucks... jmo
It's hard to tell by Ken's first post but it sounded like they were playing this during the week since it was at several locations. If that is the case then they probably dont play everyday and could have made up the match the next day. I know them playoff's last a few week's, if that's what this was. Everywhere is different and I could be wrong about all this.
Here's kind of a funny story about getting forfeited. I signed up and paid to play in a VNEA singles tournament once and just happened to have a motorcycle for sale during that time. A guy I worked with said a friend of his from out of the country was interested in buying it so thay came and looked at it. Sure enough he said he wanted it and would be back Wednesday to get it, which was the day the tournament started. I had an obvious no brainer and that was to move the bike and skip the tournament. Wednesday rolls around and of course the guy is a no show. I call the guy I work with and he says his friend still wants it and he will get it Thursday so I said fine. The same day, I get a call from someone at the tournament and they say I got a buy the first round and might be able to make it for the next round, I tell them no bet because it's 70 miles away and I have to wait another day to sell the bike. Thursday comes and again they dont show up and this time they dont answer their phone. That afternnon I get another call and the person I was suppose to play in the second round didnt show up either so they moved me out another spot since my name was on top. By this time I was in no mood to play anyway and decided to stay home just in case I got a call from the two yah-hoo's about my bike. After it was all said and done I ended up making it 4 rounds and never showed up to the tournament, nor did I sell the bike.
This is what happened a couple weeks ago. Our city has a city APA tournament to determine the 2 teams that will go to Vegas from our area. I think about 22-23 teams were involved. They play each night, in various locations.
On our first night of the tournament, I played first. About 2-3 games into the match, I looked over at one of the teammates of the gentlemen I was playing. He was making jestures at his throat, and I thought he was choking. I stopped shooting and yelled, "He's chocking" and a group went over to check on him. I annouced in the poolhall if anyone was a doctor or nurse we need help. No response and asked the Poolroom manager to call 911. The room is back off the main road a little and I said I would go out and flag the ambulance in.
A nurse on my team (didnt know she was a nurse) came over and started working on him. I flagged in (2) different police cars, and eventually the ambulance. Unbelievably the police cars had no first aid kits, and the ambulance was actually a firetruck. Anyway the parametics get there and take over the recovery. They actually shocked his heart 3 times in the pool room and then another 4 times in the parking lot.
After about 1 1/2 hours, they eventually get him to the hospital 5 miles away. The nurse on our team, went to the bathroom, threw up, and then layed down in her car shaking. Some of their team went to the hospital.
Here is the good spot. The poolroom owner calls the APA LO and tells him what had just happened. He tells them that both teams are pretty shook up and maybe it would be best to postpone completing this match.
THE LO TELLS THE POOL ROOM MANAGER, IF ANY TEAM ISNT PREPARED TO CONTINUE IT WILL BE A FORFIET.
We do continue, eventually win. But talk about being out of it. I felt so sorry for the other team.
We later found out the guy had a heart attack, and was going to be okay. They said that the nurse on our team had saved his life. (We were so proud) and that she was going to get an award.
How is that for excitement?
Ken
Based on your comment then I assume that if at the US Open, Earl and Archer are playing and one of them has a health problem that involves hospitalization, then the TD should just cancel the tournament and screw the other 254 players that entered.
Get your head out of your A$$.
It is a tournament. You need a winner or loser in order for the tournament to proceed.
I can only imagine the threads on here if the LO had of postponed the tournament.
Another player would be on here bashing that the LO postponed the tournament and was never goinna pay out the trips to Vegas. Then all of you who bash the APA would be spouting off about that.
Most of you people are like lemmings. You see one stupid comment with no thought and you all pile on. Use your head and think of the ramifications for 20 other teams (not to mention the league in general) if the LO does not continue with the tournament.
I feel very sorry for the guy that had the heart attack, and his family and teamates, but to say that the LO should have stopped the entire tournament is IDIOTIC at best.
But I guess for those who want to bash the APA, you don't need any logic and you certainly don;t need any brains. Pile on everyone.
Legueguy
This ^^^^
This too ^^^^
I'm very glad the guy is going to be okay.... Luckly, your team had that nurse! Good for her!!
They didn't have to postpone the whole tournament. Just let them continue the following day, or something suitable to all involved. I gotta believe SOMETHING else COULD have been worked out. This is NOT a tournament for large cash payouts (as is the U.S. Open), it' just a measly-a$$ APA tpournament to see who goes to another city later in the year to play in yet ANOTHER measly-a$$ APA tournament.
SOMETHING, ANYTHING could have been worked out with enough brainstorming (oxymoron alert: Brainstorming and APA LO in the same sentence).
Just MY humble opinion.
Maniac
Skippy,
That isnt what I said. What I said is out of 22 teams, 2 of them should have been postponed to another day. The tournament was every night that week and several teams had byes.
The APA, is just a social league. So I guess, I am "idiotic", I thought in this social league with 1/2 of the one team missing, and both teams visualably upset, (crying and hell I was shell shocked too) that the thing to do was postpone it a day.
I guess someone like Legueguy needed to correct me...
. Frankly, I was more concerned about a guys health and the welfare of the people involved.Ken
that's some cold blooded sh*t
What you are forgetting is that this is the equivalent of the US Open for the lower-mid skilled players. This is what they play for all year. It may not mean the same to you and I, but that does not mean that to 80% or more of the players it is their big event. It is the 1 big tournament they get to play in.
As for postponing, I have no idea if that would or would or would not be feasible. All I can go by is that all the cities that I have played in have no room for delaying a round until the next day. It would mean that the finals would be delayed until the Monday and in my area some players that work 2 weeks of nights would have missed the final because it was pushed back.
All I am saying is that it is very easy to roast a LO and many people didn't consider all impacts of changing the schedule.
Skippy,
That isnt what I said. What I said is out of 22 teams, 2 of them should have been postponed to another day. The tournament was every night that week and several teams had byes.
The APA, is just a social league. So I guess, I am "idiotic", I thought in this social league with 1/2 of the one team missing, and both teams visualably upset, (crying and hell I was shell shocked too) that the thing to do was postpone it a day.
I guess someone like Legueguy needed to correct me...
Ken
Ken, with all due respect, in no other tournament that i have played in can a match be delayed without disrupting the schedule of at least some of the other teams down the road.
Eventually the winner of that match has to play someone else that had to wait for them to finish, and then someone else has to wait for that match to now finish in order to play the winner, etc etc.
How would pushing the match back a day affect the other teams? Maybe some of them had a player who could not be there for some reason. All I am saying is that there is far more impact to moving a match back then people have given thought to.
Yes you are right that the APA is a social league, but this alos happens to be there big tournament and I don;t think it would be fair to potentially screw other teams over by postponing a match.
And we are all in agreement that a guys health comes first.
But why didn't the guys team just drop out if it just a social league?
You blast the LO but have said nothing about that teams decision.
Leagueguy - aka skippy.