Help Identify This Cue!

triley41395 said:
I guess this is a pretty obvious answer, but has anyone tried contacting Richard?
Although it doesn't look like a Black to me, I've not seen many pictures of his early cues, and none in person.
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Richard did reply to the Facebook post about this cue. He didn't confirm or deny that it's one of his. But he did answer the question asked in the post confirming that he made some 5/16-18 jointed cues very early in his career.

Any chance we could get a pic of the entire butt section? Sometimes being able to see the entire butt section can help because you can determine if the composition of the cue looks right or wrong. Like, do any of the lengths or widths of the sections or components look "off?"
 
Jimmy_Betmore said:
Richard did reply to the Facebook post about this cue. He didn't confirm or deny that it's one of his. But he did answer the question asked in the post confirming that he made some 5/16-18 jointed cues very early in his career.

Any chance we could get a pic of the entire butt section? Sometimes being able to see the entire butt section can help because you can determine if the composition of the cue looks right or wrong. Like, do any of the lengths or widths of the sections or components look "off?"
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He did use 18 pins..... I have never come across a verified flat faced 18 pin cue.
 
Jensen and Phillippi, make more sense than RB. I have owned a lot of old RB cues, and the joint, and butt assembly on this one are way different than the known examples I've had. To be honest, It is built A LOT like a mystery cue I have. I've tried for years to get an ID on mine, but no luck.
 
Benelli said:
So this was for sale in the for sale thread the owner said they purchased it directly from Dorothy Wise who told him it was a Richard Black. I'm almost 92% positive that it is not an early unsigned Black.

1. The joint is a 5/16-18 that is not piloted

2. The butt cap is kind of unfinished with no bumper

3. The butt sleeve is not like any RB I've come across, honestly it looks more like a Huebler

4. There are initials stamped near the joint and on the shaft of EK you can clearly see in the photos.

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I suspect that this cue is a 1970s Adam or Helmstetter cue. I have seen many without weight bolt only a wooden plug like cue has.
 
Chopdoc said:
I posted on this before you were back. I'll find a link to it. It's mitered vs butted veneer stacks.
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Here are some photos of unfinished Gus Szamboti milled forearms with stacked veneers. These are also known as a short splice forearms, Billy Webb made these to perfection.

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manwon said:
I suspect that this cue is a 1970s Adam or Helmstetter cue. I have seen many without weight bolt only a wooden plug like cue has.
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I can't find any Helmsetter or Adam with a butt sleeve like this also can't even get close to the rings and the shafts all have original ivory ferrules.

As for the butt not a wooden plug but some kind of epoxy fill.
 
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