Help needed for choosing the right cloth

seymore15074 said:
I don't have a pool table.

But I only play with Centenials or Super Aramiths on Simonis.

I hate it when someone says, "You like pool? We should play sometime, I have a table in my basement!" ...great, red cloth that's thicker than a beach towel on a table that you can't even lean on with plastic-feeling balls with red chalk and beat wal-mart cues (with the exception of metal5d, his setup rules!). If the bad equipment isn't enough of a deterrent, then there's always the fact that they suck more than a freshman cheerleader.
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Guess what?...with your needed requirements in order to play pool...you are a very limited player overall, and have a long ways to go to improve your total overall game. I've played on bar tables that you needed to pick up the rubber on the rail first before you could bank a ball against it or the ball would go flying off the table...and was playing for races to 5 8 ball for $100 a race, won over $600 dollars playing in Yakima, WA at the Twin Bridges Bar. I've played on tables that the cloth was gone where you rack the balls...as in no cloth for the spot to stick too...lol, but guess what...so did my opponent! I still ran racks while my opponent watched and racked the balls. The bottom line here is that if you have the ability to adjust your game to what ever you're playing on, and still play great, it'll make you a better player overall.

If I ever met up with you to play for some money, the first thing I'd do knowing your game now...is take you out to a bar somewhere and rob you on a table there, then let you think you beat yourself because of the table, then I'd go and play you anywhere else you wanted to play, because you think your game is so much better on better equipment...and rob you again....LMAO:D

Glen
 
realkingcobra said:
Brunswick Centennial, Super Arimith, Simonis Cloth...the best of the best...of the best of the best!!! Just wondering how many of you free advice givers...have the best of the best....on a Diamond 9ft Professional, or a Diamond 9ft ProAm table that you OWN? Because all you "POOL" players that would give such advice as to only buy the "best of the best" certainly would only own the "best of the best" pool table to install that cloth on, and to play with them balls...right? Because, if you don't own a Diamond...then that kind of makes you all a little short....don't it? Regardless of what anyone might say, there is "NO" substitute for a Diamond 9ft Professional/ProAm pool table as it is the "best of the best", but if you don't happen to have one, then I take it that the reason for that is because then you'd have to spend your own money to own one...instead of someone else's, so take that into consideration when giving someone free advice on a beginner pool table, for beginner players that don't have the same addictions that you players do, at least the subscriber NOW has a pool table...right?

Glen
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I have a Gold Crown IV, Simonis 860 and Super Arimith set of balls. Pricey but they will last a long time and I felt that there was no reason to skimp. Buy the good cloth and get a used set of balls off Ebay. The balls can be replaced or upgraded easy, the cloth cannot. get the 860.
 
realkingcobra said:
Guess what?...with your needed requirements in order to play pool...you are a very limited player overall, and have a long ways to go to improve your total overall game. I've played on bar tables that you needed to pick up the rubber on the rail first before you could bank a ball against it or the ball would go flying off the table...and was playing for races to 5 8 ball for $100 a race, won over $600 dollars playing in Yakima, WA at the Twin Bridges Bar. I've played on tables that the cloth was gone where you rack the balls...as in no cloth for the spot to stick too...lol, but guess what...so did my opponent! I still ran racks while my opponent watched and racked the balls. The bottom line here is that if you have the ability to adjust your game to what ever you're playing on, and still play great, it'll make you a better player overall.

If I ever met up with you to play for some money, the first thing I'd do knowing your game now...is take you out to a bar somewhere and rob you on a table there, then let you think you beat yourself because of the table, then I'd go and play you anywhere else you wanted to play, because you think your game is so much better on better equipment...and rob you again....LMAO:D

Glen
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I would never play you in a million years.
 
In that bar, on a Friday night, no one wanted to play on that second table because it was so bad, so I went out to my truck, grabbed a piece of string off the side of some Simonis cloth, went back in. Tied the string to the end of my cue, tied a $100 dollar bill to the other end of the string, stuck the end of my cue in the corner pocket, dangling the $100 dollar bill over the middle of the table, then waited...LOL

Before long, guys started coming up to me asking what I was doing. I told them the truth...I was fishing for suckers, and thought this might be a good place to throw in my line....LMAO Before long the offers to play for money started coming, but they wanted to play on the other table...I said no, if you want a shot at my money...you have to fish in my pond...LOL They did, I got the suckers, and before I got ready to leave, someone asked me if I had been in there before doing the same thing a while back. I replied no, that was my friend Roger Pettit...LMAO and left.

Glen
 
I bought my table used and it has championship tour edition on it. I have also played on Simonis 760 and 860. I would go with either the championship tour edition or the Simonis 860. I like the 760 but I would get one of the others, depending on what kind of a deal you can get.
 
realkingcobra said:
Brunswick Centennial, Super Arimith, Simonis Cloth...the best of the best...of the best of the best!!! Just wondering how many of you free advice givers...have the best of the best....on a Diamond 9ft Professional, or a Diamond 9ft ProAm table that you OWN? Because all you "POOL" players that would give such advice as to only buy the "best of the best" certainly would only own the "best of the best" pool table to install that cloth on, and to play with them balls...right? Because, if you don't own a Diamond...then that kind of makes you all a little short....don't it? Regardless of what anyone might say, there is "NO" substitute for a Diamond 9ft Professional/ProAm pool table as it is the "best of the best", but if you don't happen to have one, then I take it that the reason for that is because then you'd have to spend your own money to own one...instead of someone else's, so take that into consideration when giving someone free advice on a beginner pool table, for beginner players that don't have the same addictions that you players do, at least the subscriber NOW has a pool table...right?

Glen
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It figures...LOL...you'all need to read this post again.
 
do not buy junk

when i play in league i have to play on some junk tables, drives me nuts to be beat by the equipment. so i have a 8ft brunswick highlander, 860 simonis, super aramiths at home. nothing beats playing on good equipment.
 
desi2960 said:
when i play in league i have to play on some junk tables, drives me nuts to be beat by the equipment. so i have a 8ft brunswick highlander, 860 simonis, super aramiths at home. nothing beats playing on good equipment.
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I'll say it again one more time. Beginners of this sport don't start out wanting to be pool players, they just want to play some pool at home. That doesn't mean they want to run out and join a pool league or start going to pool halls to play pool. The request of the subscriber to the thread wanted to know about moving a table he got for free, and about what was a good cloth to have installed on it...as he was just a beginner at this game. I gave him some good advice about a very good cloth that holds up very, very well on bar tables under the amount of play they receive, and he appreciated the fact that to get started playing pool at home...he didn't have to run out and spend hundreds of dollars getting started. That's what this thread is all about, if you'd have read that, then you'd have understood what was going on.

Now as far as your game goes, you didn't get beat by the equipment you were playing on...as a pool table "don't" play pool, the person you lost to was just a better player than you were on that "junk" pool table...so I guess you need to work on your game some more until you're good enough to play on "all kinds of pool tables" as I assure you, no pool table you ever play on...is going to be "just like your table at home is" The all vary to some degree or another, so if you were a better player...your game would be about playing your opponent and not the table...as he has to play on the same table...so the games even...unless you lose, then you cry about the table instead of your ability to play and adjust.

Glen
 
narrowing choices a bit

I'm close to ordering my new table: an Olhausen Montrachet.

Dealer typically puts some flavor of Forstman cloth on (not sure which), but he'll upgrade me to Simonis 860 for $70. Another dealer swears by Brunswick Centennial cloth. I'm not a pro, but want good cloth, good balls. Which to choose (don't think money is an issue here...I'd pay for either if it's what I want).

And balls: Brunswich Centennials or Super Aramith Pros?

Thanks,

Rod
 
i also like Gorina (Granito 200) but 860 plays just as well in a temperature controlled environment but i've found it's consistency is a little more affected by humidity than 2000. as far as balls no substitute for Centennials.
 
sker said:
I'm close to ordering my new table: an Olhausen Montrachet.

Dealer typically puts some flavor of Forstman cloth on (not sure which), but he'll upgrade me to Simonis 860 for $70. Another dealer swears by Brunswick Centennial cloth. I'm not a pro, but want good cloth, good balls. Which to choose (don't think money is an issue here...I'd pay for either if it's what I want).

And balls: Brunswich Centennials or Super Aramith Pros?

Thanks,

Rod
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The balls are like dealers choice, they're both great sets. Cloth...hmmmm 860 is for all players that can and like to play, not just for the Pro's. If you're buying a new table, then you must know a little something about the game or you wouldn't be buying a new table...right?

Glen
 
realkingcobra said:
The balls are like dealers choice, they're both great sets. Cloth...hmmmm 860 is for all players that can and like to play, not just for the Pro's. If you're buying a new table, then you must know a little something about the game or you wouldn't be buying a new table...right?

Glen
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I know I enjoy the game! This will be my first (and only) table purchase, and at the age of 40, I think I've waited long enough! I'm very much an amateur, but like the game enough to know that I want a quality playing experience. And although money IS an issue (I'm going for a table in the 3 to 5 k area), I don't want to skimp on important issues that affect the game: balls, cue sticks, felt. I guess what I'm saying is that the table comes with a "package", and I know it is probably a real basic set of balls, a certain "base" type of cloth, etc. I want to upgrade those and I need to know a) what I want to upgrad to b) what a fair price for those upgrades would be. I'm just now learning the brand names and pluses and minuses of some of the different cloths and balls. Any input is greatly appreciated!

Rod
 
A few facts some might not know:
Brunswick Centennial Balls are made by Saluc (Aramith)
Brunswick Centennial Cloth is made by Championship
(aka Tour Edition with an additive for increased spill resistance)
Either ball set is good as a top end choice but you pay more
for the Brunswick name, same with the cloth.
My $ would take the 860 and Super Pros

BTW - Simonis prices go up on Feb 1
 
sker said:
I know I enjoy the game! This will be my first (and only) table purchase, and at the age of 40, I think I've waited long enough! I'm very much an amateur, but like the game enough to know that I want a quality playing experience. And although money IS an issue (I'm going for a table in the 3 to 5 k area), I don't want to skimp on important issues that affect the game: balls, cue sticks, felt. I guess what I'm saying is that the table comes with a "package", and I know it is probably a real basic set of balls, a certain "base" type of cloth, etc. I want to upgrade those and I need to know a) what I want to upgrad to b) what a fair price for those upgrades would be. I'm just now learning the brand names and pluses and minuses of some of the different cloths and balls. Any input is greatly appreciated!

Rod
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We can't know what your dealer is offering but if you get a price for the upgrade to Super Pro balls or Centennial balls (my personal favorite.. like the look) and an upgrade in cloth to Siminois 860 (you can see that others are ok but you can count on Siminois... it's a known quantity) then bring the price back to the forum you'll get informed opinions on whether you are getting a good deal or whether you need to haggle a bit more.
 
sker said:
I know I enjoy the game! This will be my first (and only) table purchase, and at the age of 40, I think I've waited long enough! I'm very much an amateur, but like the game enough to know that I want a quality playing experience. And although money IS an issue (I'm going for a table in the 3 to 5 k area), I don't want to skimp on important issues that affect the game: balls, cue sticks, felt. I guess what I'm saying is that the table comes with a "package", and I know it is probably a real basic set of balls, a certain "base" type of cloth, etc. I want to upgrade those and I need to know a) what I want to upgrad to b) what a fair price for those upgrades would be. I'm just now learning the brand names and pluses and minuses of some of the different cloths and balls. Any input is greatly appreciated!

Rod
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I've had Brunswick Centennial cloth on my table for about two years now and frankly, I'm not very happy with it. Seems very susceptible to those white burn spots. It has held up pretty well from a wear standpoint, but doesn't look very good after only a couple of years.
 
Cloth with a higher percentage of nylon is more prone to burn (friction) marks and especially if the cueball is grungy or the finish has worn off. Centennial/3030/760 are 30% nylon.
 
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