Help Needed to ID this Turn Of Century Cue THanks.

[ranger225]

Anyone have an Id on this vintage cue? It was the personal stick of George Studebaker of the Studebaker Automobile Family. He was born 1865 and died 1939. The Studebaker's had a connection with the Brunswick Co. in 1895 and I was told this stick was presented to Mr Studebaker when the Brunswick Co. moved into the Studebaker Bros. Building in Chicago. The stick is 56" and 17-1/2 oz. Double butterfly, 6 points, 1-1/4" ivory ferrule, leather tip. Any help would be appreciated.
Bob

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[FAST_N_LOOSE]

AWESOME CUE, AND WITHOUT QUESTION VERY UNIQUE......

CAN YOU POST A PIC OF THE ENTIRE CUE?

LOOKS TO BE IN AWESOME CONDITION CONSIDERING IT'S AGE.

Marcus

 

[ranger225]

Photo of Whole Stick

Here is the photo of the whole stick. I guess this one may not be id'd

 

[FAST_N_LOOSE]

Here is the photo of the whole stick. I guess this one may not be id'd

IT'S A MODEL 31 TO 35...... I CAN'T FIND PICTURES OF THOSE MODELS BUT, IT' GOT MORE WORK THAN THE MODEL 30, BUT NOT AS MUCH WORK AS THE 36.

DIG AROUND FOR OLD BRUNSWICK CATALOGS/PICS, THAT SHOULD ANSWER YOUR QUESTION.

Marcus

 

[Jim Baxter]

This Cue Is Awsome.

 

[Lazerrus]

Awsome Cue Jim. What does that name plate say???? It looks pretty damn straight too.

 

[Lazerrus]

Awsome Cue Jim. What does that name plate say???? It looks pretty damn straight too.

Never mind now I see it. My father is a Studebaker club member and has been for years. I'll ask him and maybe he can dig something up on it.

 

[cuesblues]

Studebaker Cue

What a rare find, that's for posting the pics.

Very interesting stuff

I have heard that the Denver Athletic Club where I have played a few times has a room upstairs full of old Brunswick cues, balls, etc. and they will not part with any of it.
I would love to get in there someday.

Regardless of the actual model, the name of the player is a great piece of history.

 

[manwon]

Anyone have an Id on this vintage cue? It was the personal stick of George Studebaker of the Studebaker Automobile Family. He was born 1865 and died 1939. The Studebaker's had a connection with the Brunswick Co. in 1895 and I was told this stick was presented to Mr Studebaker when the Brunswick Co. moved into the Studebaker Bros. Building in Chicago. The stick is 56" and 17-1/2 oz. Double butterfly, 6 points, 1-1/4" ivory ferrule, leather tip. Any help would be appreciated.
Bobhttp://pic40.picturetrail.com/


Hey Bob, that is certainly a beautiful Antique Cue, however, I do think it was made by Brunswick. While Brunswick did make cues with the hammered Butt Style ( The Handle area ) they did not make anything with the points and Veneers in that cue that I have ever seen listed any where. I personally suspect that the cue was made by the Rieper Manufacturing Company which was located in New York from around 1870 until sometime during the 1930's when they went out of business. While little is known about this company anything made by them is highly collectible and more valuable than a similar Brunswick cue from the same period.

Many people automatically assume that most fancy cues from the period when this cue was made were made by Brunswick which is false and mainly due to the fact that so little information exists about this company.
In addition, when this cues was made Brunswick had already moved there production to mass production using machinery, while Reiper continued to use Old fashion hand production until they went out of Business.

In my opinion you cue was most likely made during the 1920's due to the rectangle shaped name plate on the cues butt, these used until after 1910, even though the Hammered butt style was not that common during that time period. But in the end however, you slice it it is a great cue that is very valuable and would certainly make a great addition to any collection.

Do me a favor and take a photo of the bottom of the cue and include it in this thread.

Take care hope this helps.

 

[ranger225]

Studebaker Cue

Thanks Manwon,
Great information. If Brunswick was mass producing sticks in the early 1900's I don't think a man of Studebaker's stature would purchase a common cue from Brunswick, Reiper makes more sense. 1920 would put Studebaker in his mid 50's and probably still playing. Here is a photo of the butt. Thanks for you help.

 

[manwon]

Thanks Manwon,
Great information. If Brunswick was mass producing sticks in the early 1900's I don't think a man of Studebaker's stature would purchase a common cue from Brunswick, Reiper makes more sense. 1920 would put Studebaker in his mid 50's and probably still playing. Here is a photo of the butt. Thanks for you help.

During the 1800's most of Brunswicks fancy cue were imported from Europe, around 1900 Brunswick started making their own using European design. By the 1920's when that cue was made Brunswick was in full Production under Herman Rambows Guidance.

Thanks for the photo of the bottom of the cue, round section in the center of the bottom, that is a wooden plug that was placed there after a weight bolt was added, this is another indication that the cue was made after 1910.

In addittion do you see the differance in the color of the wood on the cues bottom. There was another piece that is missing from the bottom of the cue, most likely there were stacked veneers like those in the lower points and a circlar piece of Ivory with a bumper attached to it. At least that is how most of the fancy cues like this one were made and I don't see a screw hole for a bumper alone.

Hope this information helps

 

[ranger225]

Thanks For all the input

:grin:Just want to thank everyone for their input on this cue, once I figure out exactly what I have I will be offering it for sale. If anyone is interested you can email me at 492vs@earthlink.net
Thanks
Again to All.
Bob:grin:

 

[ranger225]

Studebaker cue on Ebay

Just list the Studebaker Rieper cue on Ebay.
http://cgi.ebay.com/Custom-Antique-...emQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item3ef9fe96ac

 

[DogsPlayingPool]

In addittion do you see the differance in the color of the wood on the cues bottom. There was another piece that is missing from the bottom of the cue, most likely there were stacked veneers like those in the lower points and a circlar piece of Ivory with a bumper attached to it. At least that is how most of the fancy cues like this one were made and I don't see a screw hole for a bumper alone.

Hope this information helps

I don't know what the "standard" length was back then, but perhaps 56" is another indication that the cue in it's original form was longer?

Manwon, you are a wealth of info dude. :thumbup2:

 

[ranger225]

I don't think it was much longer. All the photos of Rieper cues only had what looks like a 1/4" butt cap made of ivory or hardwood on the end. Plus the patents from rieper show no butt cap at all. Bob

 

[pulzcul]

Wow Great cue and history. Really to bad its busted. Good luck

 

[manwon]

I don't know what the "standard" length was back then, but perhaps 56" is another indication that the cue in it's original form was longer?

Manwon, you are a wealth of info dude. :thumbup2:

The cues length is standard for the time frame concerned here in this post. These shorter cues were used for different types of Billiard games, such as, Balk Line or even 3-Cushion. The piece that is missing from the cues bottom was most likely no more than 1/2 inch in thickness!!!

Take care

 

[DogsPlayingPool]

The cues length is standard for the time frame concerned here in this post. These shorter cues were used for different types of Billiard games, such as, Balk Line or even 3-Cushion. The piece that is missing from the cues bottom was most likely no more than 1/2 inch in thickness!!!

Take care

Check!

How typical was that dimpled handle for the time? I think it looks pretty cool and I'm surprised not to see more of that with all the wrap-less cues out there - though nowadays it's probably more about showing off the wood.

 

[manwon]

Check!

How typical was that dimpled handle for the time? I think it looks pretty cool and I'm surprised not to see more of that with all the wrap-less cues out there - though nowadays it's probably more about showing off the wood.

The dimpled handle was designed to increase a persons grip. It was accomplished by running that section of the Butt through a machine that rolled it and impressed the dimples. It is mainly found on early cues before 1900, however, some were still made up into the 1920's or possibly even later for some Trophy Cues. The reason it was discontinued was because different types of wraps such as leather, Cork, Twine, and Silk became popular for the grip area of cues.

Please keep in mind that exact dates of when things were stopped and started are supposition because there were few records kept if any, and those who know much of this information for certainly rarely share it.
Information on this subject can be profitable so for the most part it kept secret. The best current source for much of this information is from catalogs that were produced by early American cue makers and these can be very expensive, and this is where much of my information comes from. Other good sources of information are the Billiards Encyclopedia and the Blue Books of Cues.

I have considered writing a book that deals solely with Brunswick's Cue Manufacturing Operations, I believe that this is an area that has not been touch upon in depth by any Author to date, but first I have to learn to write and spell, because while I do have a great deal of information I am no Author!!!!:grin: