The Crane vs Balsis 150 and out from 1966. It's on youtube.
Highest 14.1 Run ever in Competition
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Are you folks forgetting someone?
Ok if we are gonna count runs in the straight pool challenge then shouldn't we count Mosconis 284 in 1939 in denver Co. and 265 in Huntsville Al. in 1942 both on a 5 x 10 table?
Also Mosconi had a 141 in the national championship in 1950.
Or Mosconis or Cranes 309 on a 9 foot.
There are a ton of 150 and outs in big championships US opens Seigel v Zuglan, Seigle v Ortaman, Ortman v Seigle.
Ok if we are gonna count runs in the straight pool challenge then shouldn't we count Mosconis 284 in 1939 in denver Co. and 265 in Huntsville Al. in 1942 both on a 5 x 10 table?
Also Mosconi had a 141 in the national championship in 1950.
Or Mosconis or Cranes 309 on a 9 foot.
There are a ton of 150 and outs in big championships US opens Seigel v Zuglan, Seigle v Ortaman, Ortman v Seigle.
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309 was their high run on 10-footers (I imagine you meant to write 10 instead of 9).
Actually I didnt realize I assumed thoes were exhibition scores. I have some of thoes reproduction posters. Thanks
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I think any reasonable person would sense that what was being put down was:
-- Dennis's right to call this specific DCC event -- competition.
-- The validity of Dennis's saying in the title of the thread that the runs took place in competition.
By implication he was being put down about (was wrong about) both elements. To the extent that posts in any way diminished the worth of the videos he uploaded (and his generous act of annually recording/uploading them) and in any way diminished the individual players' accomplishments in performing those runs -- I would react both logically and passionately anytime, and did so. Carried away? . . . I don't think so.
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Do they spray the table with silicon at the Derby?
These runs were qualifying runs, not runs in competition, and can be compared to exhibition runs for record keeping purposes.
The highest run in competition is 200 and out by Darren Appleton.
Back in the day, there were challenge matches to 1000 played over four days and I recall that Jack Colavita ran a 245 in one of these matches. Still, even though he had an opponent, I don't think his run should be considered to have occurred in competition.
Some of the runs were recorded when they happened . many of the old straight pool tournaments had score sheets and I have seen quite a few of the filled out brochures in memorabilia collections.
Maybe one day , someone will get all that stuff together.
Maybe one day , someone will get all that stuff together.
Competition
Stu: These runs were qualifying runs in competition.
I see no basis for your restrictive use of the word competition. I understand that these were not matches and have said as much, but to say that it is not competition distorts the meaning of the word and the efforts of the participants.
I had never heard of Colavita's run of 245, but if he did it, again, I cannot understand your pronouncement that it was not in competition.
I think we are getting very far off on a tangent and maybe we will have to agree to disagree on the meaning of the word competition.
No. The tables are wiped down with a damp cloth. The balls are aramith tournament balls and they are cleaned with aramith cleaner before the run begins. Players can request clean balls to start their turn at the table but that is not always done.
Stu: These runs were qualifying runs in competition.
I see no basis for your restrictive use of the word competition. I understand that these were not matches and have said as much, but to say that it is not competition distorts the meaning of the word and the efforts of the participants.
I had never heard of Colavita's run of 245, but if he did it, again, I cannot understand your pronouncement that it was not in competition.
I think we are getting very far off on a tangent and maybe we will have to agree to disagree on the meaning of the word competition.
No. The tables are wiped down with a damp cloth. The balls are aramith tournament balls and they are cleaned with aramith cleaner before the run begins. Players can request clean balls to start their turn at the table but that is not always done.
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Colavita's run shouldn't count because a one-on-one challenge is not a tournament but an exhibition. It's most unlikely that Jack's 245 is the highest ever run in this kind of match, too.
All runs without an opponent are either practice runs or exhibition runs. That's because in any situation in which missing has no consequences, the run is not in competition. At Derby city, runs are competitive once single elimination begins.
Stu: It is a nice distinction that you have come up with. " situation in which missing has no consequence", however, I believe that is just your own construction, and not a true definition of competition. Furthermore, missing at 98, for example, does have a consequence. You begin again at 0.
I did not think the word "competition" would ignite so many of you, but apparently it has.
If the only consequence of missing is that you must start over, that's called practice. If the consequence of missing is that you must give up the table to an opponent, that's a match. If that match occurs within a competitive event, it's a competitive match.
I think it is reasonable to consider these high run challenges some form of competition as they are part of a tournament. But they are their own type of competition and should be valued differently than a high run achieved in a tournament match.
It would be unreasonable to rank Jayson's achievement ahead of Darren's tournament match run of 200. But it certainly deserves it's own place in the record books. We've had these high run challenges for almost 10 years now and only now have we had a couple of 200 ball runs. That is worth writing down somewhere.
It would be unreasonable to rank Jayson's achievement ahead of Darren's tournament match run of 200. But it certainly deserves it's own place in the record books. We've had these high run challenges for almost 10 years now and only now have we had a couple of 200 ball runs. That is worth writing down somewhere.
I agree this post too..
Qualifying is part of competition i believe..
Your opponent there is other players big runs you have to beat or LOSE. If you can´t beat other big runs you don´t get actual competition. Its not practice any way.
But that said of course those runs are not match play but still part of competition. They are something else and should have own category of big runs: Highest Official Straight Pool Challenge Competition Runs :wink:
Yeah. Straight pool WC was like boxing match. Champ against challenger with a match where bet was World Championship!