how did these two get on the mosconi team

[JB Cases]

Do they rack the 9-ball on the foot spot (as in the Mosconi Cup) or the 1-ball on the spot?

1 ball on the spot. The Chinese don't seem to have as much of a problem with racking 9 ball as the rest of the world. They mostly use Magic Racks (or copies) now or when they don't they use normal racks and rack the balls the same way that we all grew up learning it, one on the spot.

 

[CreeDo]

The jihad comment was out of line, jay. You're usually a little more tactful than that.

But anyway. This is how I interpret the math, which isn't as simple as depicted but still pretty straightforward.

Over the course of 4 days, when a player broke legally and made a ball, they won 51% of the time.
So breaking and then having control of the table only gives you a 1% edge.

There were only 10 games where the rule came into play. Of those 10 games, you'd normally expect the breaker to win ~5 games (since the breaker's win rate is 51%). Instead, the breaker won only 3. So at worst, this rule cost us 2 games.

IMO that's not a huge deal, though momentum and other intangibles play a role.
It's definitely not a 70% difference no matter how you look at the math.

 

[jay helfert]

The jihad comment was out of line, jay. You're usually a little more tactful than that.

But anyway. This is how I interpret the math, which isn't as simple as depicted but still pretty straightforward.

Over the course of 4 days, when a player broke legally and made a ball, they won 51% of the time.
So breaking and then having control of the table only gives you a 1% edge.

There were only 10 games where the rule came into play. Of those 10 games, you'd normally expect the breaker to win ~5 games (since the breaker's win rate is 51%). Instead, the breaker won only 3. So at worst, this rule cost us 2 games.

IMO that's not a huge deal, though momentum and other intangibles play a role.
It's definitely not a 70% difference no matter how you look at the math.

It's one thing to criticize someone and another to outright insult them. I don't always respond well to insults. We have worked things out through PM's back and forth and made our mutual apologies. It's all good now. Thanks

 

[RShellhouse]

After taking in to consideration the breaking rules I felt we were an underdog after talking to the players and seeing the results of the first two days. More than anything it just takes us out of our element and the "cut break" is something we feel uncomfortable performing.

If you ask the USA players about the break they would ALL say they would prefer the one racked on the spot and break squarely. If you ask the European's they would ALL say they like the 9 racked on the spot and the "cut break" utilized.

Good to see someone at least agree with me there CJ...

 

[CJ Wiley]

isn't fulfilling, it's like a "diet break," or "lite break from Miller."

Good to see someone at least agree with me there CJ...

Yes, my point isn't that it was a disadvantage and it's certainly not an excuse, it's just a matter of preference. Like 5 {baseball} pitchers that like to throw curve balls against 5 pitchers that like to throw fast balls.

If everyone has to throw curve balls it will favor the curve ball pitchers by preference - not to say a fast ball pitcher can't throw a good curve ball. (this is just an analogy, you could use golfers drawing or fading the ball as a good "cross example," or a running vs passing football team)

This was the scenario and we practicing the "cut break"{throwing curve balls} for a month before the Mosconi Cup. Again, it wasn't much of a physical advantage, I'm just pointing out a factor that couldn't be seen because it was about {the invisible} preference and confidence.

These "factors" can only be seen with the inside "eyes that can see," and in this case was only visible if someone had the "behind the scenes" perspective. The "cut break" is a "glancing blow," and just isn't fulfilling, it's like a "diet break," or "lite break from Miller."

 

[KoolKat9Lives]

Yes, my point isn't that it was a disadvantage and it's certainly not an excuse, it's just a matter of preference. Like 5 {baseball} pitchers that like to throw curve balls against 5 pitchers that like to throw fast balls.

If everyone has to throw curve balls it will favor the curve ball pitchers by preference - not to say a fast ball pitcher can't throw a good curve ball. (this is just an analogy, you could use golfers drawing or fading the ball as a good "cross example," or a running vs passing football team)

This was the scenario and we practicing the "cut break"{throwing curve balls} for a month before the Mosconi Cup. Again, it wasn't much of a physical advantage, I'm just pointing out a factor that couldn't be seen because it was about {the invisible} preference and confidence.

These "factors" can only be seen with the inside "eyes that can see," and in this case was only visible if someone had the "behind the scenes" perspective. The "cut break" is a "glancing blow," and just isn't fulfilling, it's like a "diet break," or "lite break from Miller."

The Miz would lap it up.

...RIP...

 

[Lock N Load]

Yes, my point isn't that it was a disadvantage and it's certainly not an excuse, it's just a matter of preference. Like 5 {baseball} pitchers that like to throw curve balls against 5 pitchers that like to throw fast balls.

If everyone has to throw curve balls it will favor the curve ball pitchers by preference - not to say a fast ball pitcher can't throw a good curve ball. (this is just an analogy, you could use golfers drawing or fading the ball as a good "cross example," or a running vs passing football team)

This was the scenario and we practicing the "cut break"{throwing curve balls} for a month before the Mosconi Cup. Again, it wasn't much of a physical advantage, I'm just pointing out a factor that couldn't be seen because it was about {the invisible} preference and confidence.

These "factors" can only be seen with the inside "eyes that can see," and in this case was only visible if someone had the "behind the scenes" perspective. The "cut break" is a "glancing blow," and just isn't fulfilling, it's like a "diet break," or "lite break from Miller."

CJ,
I was trying to think of words for the cut break and you did it for me in perfect style! Man you have a way of calling it like it is!!!!
Many Regards,
Lock N Load.