how did these two get on the mosconi team

[El-ahrairah]

No offense taken. The numbers don't lie, it takes people to do that. I offered a simple explanation of what those numbers actually mean and you couldn't handle that. I was there and the break rule did not materially affect the outcome of this years Mosconi Cup, no matter how much you would like to believe that it did.

Good luck with your next Jihad!

Hilarious! Someone, just the other night, pm'd me about my name and avatar. It was a favorite book of his too, as a child. I told him I liked it, but sometimes, an ignorant hillbilly or otherwise racists blowhard type would probably call me some brand of Muslim invader. We had a laugh, probably because we didn't think it would actually happen, for someone to be ignorant enough not to google a name before insulting it, and blowhard enough to do it on a public forum. Congratulations for being the perfect combination of loser!

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=El-ahrairah

I simply pointed out the obvious, your math is horrible but not as bad as your commentating, and you couldn't handle it.
Good luck on your next announcing gig. Try to lose the phone-creep breathing and the constantly wrong schtick. Just suggestions.

 

[brocktonfats]

dechaine and shuff.

i ask because watching brandon first and second day of the cup. but he is new to it....

dechaine... not doing much better at the cup and old as early kicked his ass in 2012 ginky memorial... you can see it on youtube...

fist day i watched the cup i was like " i know that guy from some were and i am more than sure he cant shoot to save his life..."

so not trying to bash them but, are we scrapping the bottom of the barrel for pool players for the cup or are they really good and just not showing it...

hope they can help more on day 3 and 4

I think most if not every USA pro doesn't like a even race with Dechaine. Pressure can get to anyone.

 

[EddieBme]

Can't take anything away from the way the guy plays. I just think if your going to make things fair, give the spots to the guys that sacrificed and played the tournys.


I think JA will be one of the best Coaches we could ask for at the MC. I can't wait to see him in that role. I think he would be right up there with CJ as one of the best picks available to coach. I think JA brings twice as much in leadership as he does in talent.

To be clear, I know Johny can still play. I just don't think he can play like he use to, as best I can tell.

I think you should just take the top 5 guys and role with it.


best,

Justin

<<My thoughts exactly

 

[AtLarge]

Jay...so with those stats I am going to have to disagree with you about the breaking rule...when it does come into effect it has a drastic 70% difference in the outcome of the game....

It makes a huge difference and as it was brought about (as far as I was told) to directly remove Corey's soft break perhaps some other determination of a legal break could be used other than giving away control of the table..

R

I have to disagree with you. It actually made only four games difference overall, 7 to 3 on the outcome of those games. And how many of those four games were won by Team Europe? I don't think the break rule affected the outcome of the Cup in any significant way.

OK, sounds like you're begging for more detail.:smile:

Of the 10 games for which an illegal break was the sole cause (not dry, no foul) of surrendering the table after the break:

• Europe broke 4 of the 10 -- won 2 and lost 2
• USA broke 6 of the 10 -- won 1 and lost 5

So Europe won 7 of those 10 wet/illegal games. But, how does this compare to the other 29 games in which control of the table passed after the break? This group of 29 games includes 4 wet/legal/foul games, 19 dry/legal/no-foul games, and 6 dry/illegal/no-foul games. For those 29 loss-of-control games we have:

• Europe broke 15 of the 29 -- won 5 and lost 10
• USA broke 14 of the 29 -- won 4 and lost 10

So things were pretty even on these 29 games, but not on the 10 games where an illegal break was the sole cause of loss of inning. However, to confuse the issue just a bit more -- 3 out of the 5 games that USA lost on wet/illegal breaks occurred in matches that USA won anyway!

Don't you love this stuff?

 

[AtLarge]

... I was there and the break rule did not materially affect the outcome of this years Mosconi Cup, no matter how much you would like to believe that it did. ...

I tend to agree with you, Jay, in terms of the numerical results.

But a related question -- do you think that the very existence of the legal-break rule had any significant impact on how the players broke? If it caused them to break differently than they otherwise would have, the effect might have been different on one team than the other. But my guess is that both teams would still have used the moderate-speed cut break, trying to make the 1-ball in the side (or the wing ball in the corner).

 

[Luxury]

Jay Helfert's commentary is excellent or he wouldn't be given the job in front of millions of viewers year after year.

Jealous much?

 

[jay helfert]

Hilarious! Someone, just the other night, pm'd me about my name and avatar. It was a favorite book of his too, as a child. I told him I liked it, but sometimes, an ignorant hillbilly or otherwise racists blowhard type would probably call me some brand of Muslim invader. We had a laugh, probably because we didn't think it would actually happen, for someone to be ignorant enough not to google a name before insulting it, and blowhard enough to do it on a public forum. Congratulations for being the perfect combination of loser!

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=El-ahrairah

I simply pointed out the obvious, your math is horrible but not as bad as your commentating, and you couldn't handle it.
Good luck on your next announcing gig. Try to lose the phone-creep breathing and the constantly wrong schtick. Just suggestions.

It was okay when you were insulting me though. You just don't like it when the shoe is on the other foot. And by the way I don't appreciate you threatening me via PM's either.

Right now I'm not in a good mood to be antagonized. To come home and read about the bad news in Newton just took all the joy out of me. I'm a grandfather with two kids that age, so it hit close to home for me, and many others I would presume. You picked a bad time to mess with me and your threats are duly noted.

 

[jay helfert]

I tend to agree with you, Jay, in terms of the numerical results.

But a related question -- do you think that the very existence of the legal-break rule had any significant impact on how the players broke? If it caused them to break differently than they otherwise would have, the effect might have been different on one team than the other. But my guess is that both teams would still have used the moderate-speed cut break, trying to make the 1-ball in the side (or the wing ball in the corner).

Thanks for a real question and not another inane remark. I definitely felt that with this break rule all the players had to adjust their break to try to get the required three balls either pocketed or past the head string. Considering the number of games played I think there were relatively few illegal breaks and they did not significantly affect the outcome of the match.

You are correct, both teams were attempting to make the one ball in the side. It took them one day (Day One) to figure out how to do it and then it was on. They wanted to make the one and get two balls (including the two ball) down table. That was the ideal break shot and they were successful maybe half the time. After that it was all about keeping cue ball in play somewhere near the middle of the table. That often proved more difficult then making the one ball. :wink:

 

[BeiberLvr]

Here's what I don't understand about anyone saying the break rule had an effect on the outcome, and I know it's been brought up before. The Americans had ample time to practice the break.

If your goal is to make it to the Mosconi cup, then you should be spending some of your free time on practicing the break. It's not like you'll forgot how to break a rack where the 1 ball is on the spot instead.

 

[richiebalto]

Hilarious! Someone, just the other night, pm'd me about my name and avatar. It was a favorite book of his too, as a child. I told him I liked it, but sometimes, an ignorant hillbilly or otherwise racists blowhard type would probably call me some brand of Muslim invader. We had a laugh, probably because we didn't think it would actually happen, for someone to be ignorant enough not to google a name before insulting it, and blowhard enough to do it on a public forum. Congratulations for being the perfect combination of loser!

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=El-ahrairah

I simply pointed out the obvious, your math is horrible but not as bad as your commentating, and you couldn't handle it.
Good luck on your next announcing gig. Try to lose the phone-creep breathing and the constantly wrong schtick. Just suggestions.

If it looks like a duck oh well, You must be the loser pal!, Jay has an excelent voice for commentating and knows everything there is about pool and players, Jay hasnt been around this long for nothing, El-diariah let us know when your done writing your FIRST book about pool, just maybe you will use your given name after doing so?

 

[KoolKat9Lives]

If it looks like a duck oh well, You must be the loser pal!, Jay has an excelent voice for commentating and knows everything there is about pool and players, Jay hasnt been around this long for nothing, El-diariah let us know when your done writing your FIRST book about pool, just maybe you will use your given name after doing so?

+1

I think the world of Jay (in more ways than just pool) - no I'm not a nuthugger, he's genuinely a good person all around.

El-AH crossed the line with his mean spirited post and IMO should apologize if he ever wants any respect around these parts. Not going to hold my breath tho - he's probably not got enough character, courage or understanding to do so.

 

[kvinbrwr]

Good luck on your next announcing gig. Try to lose the phone-creep breathing and the constantly wrong schtick. Just suggestions.

I wonder how it is they picked (and paid) Jay to do the announcing instead of you when you clearly have a way better handle on how to do the job than he does. Did they ask you and you declined?

Thanks

Kevin

 

[justadub]

Here's what I don't understand about anyone saying the break rule had an effect on the outcome, and I know it's been brought up before. The Americans had ample time to practice the break.

If your goal is to make it to the Mosconi cup, then you should be spending some of your free time on practicing the break. It's not like you'll forgot how to break a rack where the 1 ball is on the spot instead.

I have to echo this a little. Weren't the break rules the same or similar last year?

Of course I have no idea how much our guys practiced the Cup style break, and I would have to assume that they did. Still, it seems that this was the big issue last year, as well, so it could lead one to wonder.

Do I recall reading somewhere that the Europeans play other tourneys when the 9 is on the spot?

I believe our guys represented us well, and look forward to seeing them get another crack at them next year.

 

[lfigueroa]

Can't take anything away from the way the guy plays. I just think if your going to make things fair, give the spots to the guys that sacrificed and played the tournys.


I think JA will be one of the best Coaches we could ask for at the MC. I can't wait to see him in that role. I think he would be right up there with CJ as one of the best picks available to coach. I think JA brings twice as much in leadership as he does in talent.

To be clear, I know Johny can still play. I just don't think he can play like he use to, as best I can tell.

I think you should just take the top 5 guys and role with it.


best,

Justin

It was clear, from what I saw, that JA will eventually be the logical for the US captain's slot. He has all the credentials. Right now I think we all still want him swinging the cue

Lou Figueroa

 

[lfigueroa]

Hilarious! Someone, just the other night, pm'd me about my name and avatar. It was a favorite book of his too, as a child. I told him I liked it, but sometimes, an ignorant hillbilly or otherwise racists blowhard type would probably call me some brand of Muslim invader. We had a laugh, probably because we didn't think it would actually happen, for someone to be ignorant enough not to google a name before insulting it, and blowhard enough to do it on a public forum. Congratulations for being the perfect combination of loser!

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=El-ahrairah

I simply pointed out the obvious, your math is horrible but not as bad as your commentating, and you couldn't handle it.
Good luck on your next announcing gig. Try to lose the phone-creep breathing and the constantly wrong schtick. Just suggestions.

For someone to be ignorant enough to address Jay the way you have, in light of his status as a long time contributor and senior member here who is highly respected by the vast majority of the AZ community, only makes you the loser.

Everyone likes something different when it comes to commentating and that's OK. However for most of us, Jay is great to listen to and I am personally tickled that someone I know is in the booth providing commentary on an event like the MC.

Lou Figueroa

 

[8pack]

Hilarious! Someone, just the other night, pm'd me about my name and avatar. It was a favorite book of his too, as a child. I told him I liked it, but sometimes, an ignorant hillbilly or otherwise racists blowhard type would probably call me some brand of Muslim invader. We had a laugh, probably because we didn't think it would actually happen, for someone to be ignorant enough not to google a name before insulting it, and blowhard enough to do it on a public forum. Congratulations for being the perfect combination of loser!

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=El-ahrairah

I simply pointed out the obvious, your math is horrible but not as bad as your commentating, and you couldn't handle it.
Good luck on your next announcing gig. Try to lose the phone-creep breathing and the constantly wrong schtick. Just suggestions.

Your coming off a little creepy....Knock it off.

 

[Joe Pickens]

Jay Helfert's commentary is excellent or he wouldn't be given the job in front of millions of viewers year after year.

Jealous much?

I agree. I thought Jay did a great job as he always does.

I'm sure Jay has a lot of other things you can call him out on, but his commentating isn't one of them.

 

[TorranceChris]

Hilarious! Someone, just the other night, pm'd me about my name and avatar. It was a favorite book of his too, as a child. I told him I liked it, but sometimes, an ignorant hillbilly or otherwise racists blowhard type would probably call me some brand of Muslim invader. We had a laugh, probably because we didn't think it would actually happen, for someone to be ignorant enough not to google a name before insulting it, and blowhard enough to do it on a public forum. Congratulations for being the perfect combination of loser!

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=El-ahrairah

I simply pointed out the obvious, your math is horrible but not as bad as your commentating, and you couldn't handle it.
Good luck on your next announcing gig. Try to lose the phone-creep breathing and the constantly wrong schtick. Just suggestions.

You definitely are not shooting for the beloved role here in the community. And congrats, I'm researching the ignore button for the first time. Spewing disrespect in here isn't going to garner you much support.

 

[El-ahrairah]

I lol'd at his math. He went racist redneck on my name. Hilarity ensues. Sorry he can't be lol'd without all of this. But funny. Carry on.

 

[JoeyA]

There's a lot of criticism going on and I guess it's everyone's right to criticize but I'll step out and make my own observations.

I noticed that Brandon Shuff appeared far more focused in the latter part of the tournament which means that he was getting used to the event. Mike Dechaine didn't play his best game that's for sure but both of these guys have all the talent necessary to play this game. Racing to 5 is entertaining and exciting.

As to Jay Helfert's commentary, I liked it. He and Jim Wyche seemed to have stepped up their game quite a bit. There will always be different styles of commentators that each of us prefer listening to. Jay and Jim have been around for quite a while and the industry looks at them as professionals at the top of their class. The negative criticism comes with the territory and they both know it and have no need to address it.

What a great sport we have! It's great that Brandon, Mike, Jay and Jim
are a part of it.

I had the BEST time this year listening to the commentary and watching some stellar pool. The Mosconi Cup is the most entertaining pool spectacle around and it can only get better!

Now if I can just mimmick a little of Melling's incredible stroke.