I have a triangle on my Cog and I think they're to soft, maybe I got a bad batch, I don't know. I'm gonna put Talisman WB-M and try those out for a while and see how I like them.Koop said:
How Do Sniper Tips Hit?
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Mike Templeton said:
I know that sound, it's not a pocket, just the sound it makes, unfortunately that would drive me nuts, I'm already on my way, I don't need any more help.
Michael Webb said:
me too.
Well I will give you my opinion and I am a cue mechanic that does quite a few tip replacements in a given year approximately 1000 or so....
I'm not a big layered tip fan myself other than the great revenue it generates,,,$$$$. Personally I like the workability of a Moori however, I personally play with a triangle...I tried the Sniper and it seemed almost rubbery to me. Some players swear by it just like others are hot for a Moori or a hercules or as in my case a triangle. A player on my team will shoot with nothing but a Lepro and he's a pretty accomplished player. Alot of it has do do with personal preference so I'm not here to do any bashing but just give my point of view and preference. So I think the old Triangle is my first choice.
Have you ever thought your miscue problems might be more the about the shaft you are using(the low deflection ones that is) than the tip???? Hint, Hint, duh...if the cue ball isn't deflecting could it be the shaft deflecting because it is hollow at the end for about 4 inches so when you get extreme to the cueball the shaft actually deflects off the cueball causing you to miscue.
Well thats probably nuff said for now.
I'm not a big layered tip fan myself other than the great revenue it generates,,,$$$$. Personally I like the workability of a Moori however, I personally play with a triangle...I tried the Sniper and it seemed almost rubbery to me. Some players swear by it just like others are hot for a Moori or a hercules or as in my case a triangle. A player on my team will shoot with nothing but a Lepro and he's a pretty accomplished player. Alot of it has do do with personal preference so I'm not here to do any bashing but just give my point of view and preference. So I think the old Triangle is my first choice.
Have you ever thought your miscue problems might be more the about the shaft you are using(the low deflection ones that is) than the tip???? Hint, Hint, duh...if the cue ball isn't deflecting could it be the shaft deflecting because it is hollow at the end for about 4 inches so when you get extreme to the cueball the shaft actually deflects off the cueball causing you to miscue.
Well thats probably nuff said for now.
IMO, no tip can compare with a good Triangle...but remember, not all Triangle tips are created equally.Koop said:
CrownCityCorey said:
Corey, why don't you give us a brief synopsis of just how to properly install a Sniper tip? Then, we could print the instructions off and there would be no need to try and take notes while talking on the phone. Even if you have to make a longer post than I think you would have to, wouldn't it be a great piece of PR work for your Company to provide us with this info? After all, you are always plugging the greatness of your Company. Put some of that greatness to use! I don't mean this in a condescending way, I just think that this information posted here on this thread (or even in the form of a New Topic) would be very helpful/useful to many members on this website. Thanks.
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I just had Jim Buss put on a Sniper about a week ago. I've been playing with a Moori M for two years converting from some other layered tip that Harry Sims was using which was a very hard tip. When I switched to the Moori my game took a huge jump. Maybe it was just mental who knows.
Lately I've been having problems with the Moori's miscuing and mushrooming and tired of working with them. A friend gave me a couple of Snipers and I have no problem at all with the performance comparison and the mushrooming is drastically reduced. A couple of sessions of 600 grit paper for about 30 seconds then burnish, done. No more mushrooming. Haven't made the final conclusion but I think it's by by Moori.
Jim Buss thought the Sniper seemed extremely hard when cutting and shaping. The top layer popped off but I always have him take my tips down a bit and very slightly tapered to reduce the mushrooming so that was not any concern for me.
My only problem now is I want a new ferrule on that shaft and have to wait till the tip is worn out. Darn it, I should have put it on a different shaft.
Lately I've been having problems with the Moori's miscuing and mushrooming and tired of working with them. A friend gave me a couple of Snipers and I have no problem at all with the performance comparison and the mushrooming is drastically reduced. A couple of sessions of 600 grit paper for about 30 seconds then burnish, done. No more mushrooming. Haven't made the final conclusion but I think it's by by Moori.
Jim Buss thought the Sniper seemed extremely hard when cutting and shaping. The top layer popped off but I always have him take my tips down a bit and very slightly tapered to reduce the mushrooming so that was not any concern for me.
My only problem now is I want a new ferrule on that shaft and have to wait till the tip is worn out. Darn it, I should have put it on a different shaft.
Jamison,JamisonNeu said:
Are you using the different tips for different applications or are the different tips interchangeable. Is Everest, maybe a better choice because of it's long life. I'm not afraid of hard tips and thinking I might want to try an Everest.
Here is the simple truth...if you are having a "tink" noise from your Sniper, then you have a delam. Its been killed either by the install or someone shaping it. If you think its hard or are having layers pop off...then your tools are way too dull. You have to use a sharp razor...and I don't mean one thats a day old either. When installed correctly, the Sniper is one of the softest, most quiet hitting tips ever made. The sound & hit is very similar to a fresh Elkmaster...except the Sniper will not mushroom or require any care. The one on my personal shaft has been there for 6 months and still looks new. It now hits just a bit harder than new & has lost that ultra soft feel...but still plays exactly the way I desire. I was playing with a soft Moori...and switched to the Sniper because it has an even softer feel that I wanted. The Sniper allow more control of the cueball than any tip I've ever tried. There is a reason so many of the top pros Corey named are using it...and add Allison to the list, as well as about half of the WPBA. The Sniper is just that good...BUT...you have to have it installed correctly!!!
I have had a Sniper tip for about 5-6 months now I guess. I switched from Moori because I just wasn't confident in how it felt to me. Not to mention, I was always touching up the Moori. Since I have had the Sniper, the only maintenance I have had to do is burnish it a little (by hand and being sure not to cause delam). I will send it back for touch up after my league is finished, but I doubt it will need it. It has pretty much held its shape since it's been on there.
My confidence level increased when I switched, for many reasons, and I think it will be a long time before I try anything else. It was that much of a confidence boost for me. It took a little getting used to (cue ball reaction, etc), but well worth it in my opinion.
Good thing the guy that put it on there knew what he was doing LOL
My confidence level increased when I switched, for many reasons, and I think it will be a long time before I try anything else. It was that much of a confidence boost for me. It took a little getting used to (cue ball reaction, etc), but well worth it in my opinion.
Good thing the guy that put it on there knew what he was doing LOL
I recently purchased a cue with a Sniper installed. Although it is in the latter half of its life, it hits noticeably softer than Moori M. I like the Sniper better than any single layer tip that I have tried, but not as well as Moori M. I'm hoping to compare the Sniper to a Kamui M before I change it out.
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I recently purchased a box of Sniper tips so I could save some money and to let others try them out. I will sell them individually if anyone wants to try one. I personally have tried mostly all tips and I have FINALLY found exactly the hit I have been looking for. I use these tips at full height after install with a good burnishing, and I have not seen it change shape even though it has a softer feel. I think these are worth the extra money over my previous favorite the Triangle. I will sell these for $13 shipped. Send me a PM and you got one.third_i said:
I used Moori mediums for quite a while, then switched to Moori softs. I had some issues with miscues and glazing over and made a switch to Talisman softs which I have been very pleased with. I wanted to try a Sniper, so I picked up a 314-2 shaft with a Sniper on it. I think the tip plays very soft, at least to me. It is very similar in hit to the Talisman soft, but it has a lot more grab. You really have to get used to it. Example..If you have a fairly long shot where you need to use some side spin, it will throw the ball a lot differently (more) than the Talisman or Moori, IMO. BTW, mine does not make a "tink" sound.
Joe
Joe
I had been using a moori tip for about 2 years then recently switched to the sniper tip. I think it is just an overall higher quality better performing tip.
Eric.A.
Eric.A.
Well it seems the general consensus is sniper>moori. Personally, give me a stick and some sandpaper and I'll use it. But I'm wondering if anyone could compare the sniper with other laminated tips. Kamui, Hercules, Talisman, and I know that Diamondback also has a layered tip.
Just want to put my .02 cents in. It really is a matter of preferance. I personally tried both Moori(both M and H) and Sniper. Although there was nothing wrong with the Moori's I used; I felt it was nothing special and not worth the money compared to the feel and hit with a modified Triangle tip and for just a fraction of the cost of a Moori tip. Snipier's are a decent tip to me. I played with it for a month and just didn't like the feel of the hit. I prefer a more solid hit and the Sniper is just a little softer than I would like. Overall it is just a matter of preference from everyone. It's rare that I miscue with the triangle tips I use and to me it doesn't matter if they last as long as a layered tip because I install my own tips to begin with. A box of 50 Triangle tips runs me about $25 whereas just 1 Moori or sniper runs about $10. It's just a lot more bang for my buck and for relatively the same playability. I believe a tip should play consistently from day 1. The whole idea of breaking it in doesn't make sense to me. By the time you get it exactly the way you wish, it maybe time to already to change it. Well that's JMO, everyone is going to have a different view one way or another on there tip preferences. The best way to determine wheter you will like the tip is to either have one installed for you or to try out someone's cue who has one already. But all in all, it is a tip that maybe worth it for you or anyone for that matter. I could go on and on... but this is already sounding like mindless dribble so I'll just end it here.