Exactly. Why would anyone send you rails from their table.
How many are using FB groups to sell now instead of AZ for sale subforum?
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Exactly. Why would anyone send you rails from their table.
Oh I dont know about that.
I've been a contractor for quite a long time now. Pool tables. Minus any custom ornamentation are a fairly simple concept.
As an example. Working a pool table is not the equivalent of building a grandfather clock from raw lumber.
If you were building the later I might agree with you.
That is not to say it does not take a certain technique and ability to get a pool table to play correctly. However. Any serious craftsman with the proper skill set, if they were willing to put their mind to it could no doubt in the end handle a relatively simple piece of furniture such as a pool table.
As a matter a fact. I would go even further. Some of those same craftsman could build a better a better table from the ground up that would play just as good if not better than any production made diamond or Brunswick.
Are you a table builder Glen? Or do you just play with the independent parts that already exist in an attempt to give the table a tuneup?
One thing I have noticed in my experience to be almost always consistent across all disciplines is that the more braggadocios the individual.
The less likely their skill set equals their claims.
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True colors?....Tell me genius, what colors would that be?
Did you pick the an avatar with a shade of yellow on it for a reason?
Subliminal message? Or perhaps something a bit more Freudian? :grin:
JC
Coos Cues
What Glen did to my table not only took skill but more importantly knowledge. He has designed jigs to do just about every specialized step in the process which is quite impressive when you see it all come together. Many people have the skill set to do what he did to my table from a woodworking/craftsmanship standpoint. If and when their mind conceives of exactly what to do that is.
Anyone who thinks it's easy peasy to do what Glen does thinks so because they have never seen it go down first hand.
JC
Well yes, now that you ask that question, as a matter of fact, I was a builder....I designed and built my own line of coin operated pool tables....128 of them actually, in which the Diamond coin operated pool tables were built after....my previously designed line of pool tables, and if you really knew anything about me, you'd have already known that fact
I didnt say it was easy.
It however is also not beyond the capabilities of a great many craftsman.
What you have to keep in mind. Some of us are in a different place than others when it comes to building and maintaining items vs individuals who have no familiarity or skill set in that area.
It does not mean we dont appreciate another individuals skill and techniques. We are however quicker to recognize and understand just exactly what is being done.
Well yes, now that you ask that question, as a matter of fact, I was a builder....I designed and built my own line of coin operated pool tables....128 of them actually, in which the Diamond coin operated pool tables were built after....my previously designed line of pool tables, and if you really knew anything about me, you'd have already known that fact
Then you have a well rounded skill set. It is a great achievement. Especially when you consider that most peoples skill sets are lopsided. They generally stick to one side of the equation and never think to expand beyond what the know.
I think you will also agree that there are a great many skilled carpenters out with the necessary skill set that could perform the same tasks as you do if they so chose.
See. This thread got deflected on the second page and is now nothing more than a back and forth regarding Glen's abilities working on pool tables. How many times has this happened in the past. So many that I can't remember.
And Glen thinks NPR members are crazy. This will continue on for a 100 pages if people continue to give Glen a reason to post back.
And Brian posted a Thread this morning wondering why AZB is going down hill. Cause of Shite like this. There is absolutely no info or redeeming qualities
in this Thread.
And Glen thinks NPR members are crazy. This will continue on for a 100 pages if people continue to give Glen a reason to post back.
And Brian posted a Thread this morning wondering why AZB is going down hill. Cause of Shite like this. There is absolutely no info or redeeming qualities
in this Thread.
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There was until the NPR crew came on board
I agree. Until you deflected the thread by mentioning that NPR should be dumped. Which had absolutely zero to do with the Thread.
So, who's fault is it again, Glen?
Anyway, this thread is all about you now, so continue on.
So, why don't you turn the thread around again into something useful. Isn't this a main reason as to why people complain mostly about you taking so long to work on tables. Because you can so easily be distracted by a message board.
Either. Having a mentor and acting the part of an apprentice and journeyman always makes task easier. Far less trial and error.
However that does not preclude a skilled craftsman from being able to achieve the same end. Especially if you raise the skill level to those that are considered masters in the their trade.
Years ago a I met an older gentleman that was on my NRA pistol shooting team. I was over at his house one evening purchasing a pistol from him. In his living room was one of most the highly crafted grandfather clocks I have ever come across in my life. The enter clock was tiger maple. The work was absolutely seamless. You could not find a joint seam anywhere. Nor could I find a transition seam between the main clock surface to any of the trim wood. The work was completely flawless as was the finish.
The gentleman was a master craftsman. Completely unknown to anybody outside the local area. He had other handmade pieces about the house. However as far as I was concerned. His magnum opus were his grandfather and grandmother clocks that he built for his wife and children.
The work was quite simply impressive.
To an individual of that skill level. I doubt framing a pool table correctly would present much of a challenge once all the proper dimensions and angles had been determined.
Now for your more average craftsmen it would present a significantly higher challenge. But still not insurmountable.
I have been on the run since I used Flows name your price gun.
I pulled the trigger and wouldn't you know that damn little lizard dropped dead in his tracks.
Who would have thought he had so many fanatical followers?
Then could you answer one question for me please. If what I do when working on pool tables is not rocket science as so many would like to compare it to, how come is it that no matter where I travel in this country, Canada, Europe included....the work performed on pool tables is not on par with my level of work? I hear you guys and everyone else making all your claims about how there are a LOT of table mechanics out here doing just as good as I do on pool tables.....yet y ' all fail to produce the proof, which leads me to believe that either A) you can't find anyone on my level, or B) none of you people have a clue about what makes a pool table play great, because just changing the cloth is enough to make you believe that's all there is to working on a pool table, or C) you NPR people just love to argue about anything, and just hate the fact that some people just don't want to spend the rest of their life debating anything and everything....even if you don't know shit about what you're talking about.
And here's an even more important question that just begs for an answer....what's stopping YOU from adding even more useless posts to this thread....only to continue to defend your NPR status?
If and when you guys bring someone to the table that can actually be considered to be a top tier table mechanic let me know will ya? And for all you that feel the need to throw Mark Gregory into the conversation, that's fine by me, he's a great mechanic as well, but you guys have no respect for him either....so do yourselves a favor, give up trying to bash me down, it's not going to work
First I did not say it was rocket science. Nor did I say it was easy as I told JC.
Now perhaps you are at the top of your craft. Perhaps not.
My only argument is that there are plenty of skilled craftsman out there that have the capability to do what you do. What is also true is that some of what they do is not currently part of your skill set.
Let me ask you this. At your current skill level. Could you replicate this Monarch table exactly without calling on any other craftsman?
As far as NPR goes.
You still have not manned up and explained how NPR is sucking the life out of the site.
Is it perhaps because it isnt and you are in this case the one that has no idea what you are talking about.
I thought perhaps you were getting your research together while exchanging pleasantries.
And here you are still debating. How Ironic.
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I don't believe that I am still trying to defend NPR. I pretty much said what I needed to some time back.
Glen, you are the one that accused any of us for destroying this Thread, and AZB for that matter. I only pointed out to you that you were the one that originally Derailed this Thread by mentioning what you did.
I suppose if you consider constant bragging about your ability is bringing anything new into this Thread, that's up to you.
As I mentioned before. You're supposed contributions to this site are only in your imagination. Many members keep this site going. Listening to you, one would believe that you are the Soul Man.
Anyway, I seriously doubt that anything you have to say in regard to how this site should be run would go any further than being flushed down the crapper.
At least sometimes, a person may have the courtesy to look at the dump that they just had before flushing. I don't think Mike or any of the Owners would give you even that when it comes to opinions.
Glen, you are the one that accused any of us for destroying this Thread, and AZB for that matter. I only pointed out to you that you were the one that originally Derailed this Thread by mentioning what you did.
I suppose if you consider constant bragging about your ability is bringing anything new into this Thread, that's up to you.
As I mentioned before. You're supposed contributions to this site are only in your imagination. Many members keep this site going. Listening to you, one would believe that you are the Soul Man.
Anyway, I seriously doubt that anything you have to say in regard to how this site should be run would go any further than being flushed down the crapper.
At least sometimes, a person may have the courtesy to look at the dump that they just had before flushing. I don't think Mike or any of the Owners would give you even that when it comes to opinions.
I'm sad that people are migrating to FB because i'll never sign up for it and let them sell my private info to people who'll fill my inbox with garbage.
That being said i'm also sad that every time i see a cue that peeks my interest it has ivory in it and in this day and age i won't risk thousands of dollars on something that might get confiscated during shipping.
That being said i'm also sad that every time i see a cue that peeks my interest it has ivory in it and in this day and age i won't risk thousands of dollars on something that might get confiscated during shipping.