How much does a cue matter?

Destrukkt

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I had a graphite KMART cue and played decent.

I then bought a Lucasi and played better.

I then bought a bushka and played the same, however the feel of my shots were much better. I believe I would play better with the bushka if I put a medium tip on it like the lucasi however. This way it would outplay the lucasi in actual shots, not just feel.



What do you think? How much does the cue matter?


Medium Talisman Layered VS a hard tip, which of these two do you prefer? I like the talisman so far, due to how long it lasts and keeps it shape as well as it plays very well.. However I am afraid the "hard" hit I like with my bushka might be just because the tip is a hard tip, and not a medium.

Last question, do any of you whom prefer a medium 9 layered talisman or similiar sacrifice the bonuses of a layered tip and play with a hard one just for the solid hit feel? Or do you sacrifice the positive solid hit feel to have the long lasting layered tip..
 
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shave the cap off the ferrule of the lucasi and it will feel like a schon. it will become the best feeling cheap cue you can get. personally i like triangle tips every one i have had has felt the same, whereas Ive tried the trendy tips and a couple of each and never get a consistent feel. also saves loads of cash
 
I had a graphite KMART cue and played decent.

I then bought a Lucasi and played better.

I then bought a bushka and played the same, however the feel of my shots were much better. I believe I would play better with the bushka if I put a medium tip on it like the lucasi however. This way it would outplay the lucasi in actual shots, not just feel.



What do you think? How much does the cue matter?


Medium Talisman Layered VS a hard tip, which of these two do you prefer? I like the talisman so far, due to how long it lasts and keeps it shape as well as it plays very well.. However I am afraid the "hard" hit I like with my bushka might be just because the tip is a hard tip, and not a medium.

Last question, do any of you whom prefer a medium 9 layered talisman or similiar sacrifice the bonuses of a layered tip and play with a hard one just for the solid hit feel? Or do you sacrifice the positive solid hit feel to have the long lasting layered tip..


The cue matters to those who can detect a difference. If you play with a cuetec, a house cue, and a sugartree and they all feel about the same to you, you should just play with a house cue to save yourself the money. Experience and experimenting will illuminate your path.

Tips function differently. Find one cue you think you like and experiment with a couple different tips. If you find a combination you like, stay with it.

Nobody decide for you. You should play what you like period.
 
To me it doesn't at all. My first cue was a Viper Cue then i got a expensive Viking Cue that i thought was the best cue, as my viper cues tip was broken. Got it fixed for a breaking cue then it broke at the pin. My lil brother n law had a cheap walmart cue and the shaft of my viper fit perfect on the butt of his cue. And now its all i play with, like Shane it does it all. Shooter/breaker/jumper/ etc..
 
How much does the cue matter?

Assuming that minimal standards of quality have been met (sound construction, decent shaft taper and material, quality tip, etc.), not too much at all. Both your Lucasi and the 'bushka certainly meet these standards.

That said, you may certainly develop certain preferences with respect to tip firmness, shaft diameter and taper, etc. Feel free to experiment to your heart's content.

Just don't expect to find a cue out there that will magically raise your game by two balls.
 
what matters is...just get what you are comfortable with

Of course it has to do more with our perception, and your perception directly affects how you perform mentally which is more important than actually shooting the ball. If you can't think well enough to know where to hit the ball then nothings going to help you. But if you can make the balls just fine, then your comfort is the second key to winning/success because it directly can put you in the wrong frame of mind.

FACT - human beings are naturally negative creatures, we all wait for when the worlds going to end instead of enjoying life. No matter who you are uncomfortable or bad equipment will have a negative effect on your game its our nature, we have been prone to this for thousands of years and we most likely will be forever. Don't just try and be tough and stick with a cue that you always wished you'd never even bought, put it on fleabay and get a new one.

The thing about a cue, is you need to be comfortable with what your shooting with. That's why when someone finds the "RIGHT" cue for them they will stick with it forever if they are smart. All cues play different, some hit crisper, some hit soft, some draw well some can jump easier etc...if you know your cue then its comforting b/c you know exactly what you can do with that cue. This sport is so hard, and the most important thing to becoming a truely solid player after you learn the basics, is the mental level you can hold yourself to. So being that the mental level is so important, then having any questions about your #1 tool capabilities or whatever is wont be to your benefit.

If its straight and your comfortable with it then its exactly what you need. Go through cues untill you find the one thats right for you, once you have it keep it cherish it, if your used to shooting with a really stiff hitting cue then your gonna be struggling with a meucci, don't just jump into a new cue every 6months because your games not getting better. Get a new cue if you feel you need something different no matter what kind it is. A good example would be someone at the bar selling you their meucci, if you said a year later man I think I'm going to go grab a Scruggs Sneaky pete for 500 bucks, I say do it. It's a more capable tool, and would actually hold its value at least.


Things to remember when you buy your playing cue

1) Looks come last place, I've hit with 5k$ cues that were dogs. And ugly cues that played top notch jam up. Just make sure the inlays or stickers are not falling off, and your good to go to step #2

2) Pick it up! When you hold that cue, if it feels funny in your hands then don't buy it. As in the handle is way too fat/skinny, maybe the taper of the shaft displeases you, or maybe its offbalanced more than you can stomach. Even too light or too heavy. It must feel comfortable to YOUR touch.
-If you hold a cue and you like how it feels then it can move to step #3

3)Roll whole cue put together, with the butt on the cloth and the joint falling just above the rail and laying on top (cue is at an angle). Roll the cue, if it was built on center and isn't warped then the tip will not wobble. You can roll a cue on the flat bed of the table and it can look PERFECT, then roll it with the joint on the rail and the shaft jumps all over. This is the best test to see if a cue is good and straight through and through, unless you put it on a lathe but not everyone has that so use the rail.

Your cue's straight as can be continue to step #4

4) Hold the full cue and pop it with your palm on the joint, watch the cue resonate. If you like a stiff hitting powerful cue then you don't want a cue that wobbles like a fish, if you like a soft hitting cue then you are looking for a little more action on the ends of the vibrating cue. The higher the nodal point on the shaft is (place where it does not vibrate) the stiffer the cue, the lower it is the softer/deader the cues going to play. And everything else in b/t

Ok so you like stiff cues and this one doesn't fish flop so move to step #5

5) Hit some balls with it, stop shots, draw, see how it shoots with a good amount of english, hit some banks too(what a cue can do makes a diff when your playing banks and how you hit the shot). But basically its just like rule # 2 if it doesn't feel comfortable, if you don't like the hit so much, if it doesn't jive with your inner child then put it back and start over.

One thing to remember deals with mostly production cues, being that many use bolts to adjust the weight, the same exact models of cues will hit diff/feel diff than each other when they are not the same weight. Pick up the 19oz and it plays great, pick up the 20 and its no good. So just because you tried that McDermott and liked the one you tried at an 18oz, so they ordered you the 20oz like you usually use, jokes on us b/c well its not going to play the same, just an extra ounce or so forward or back can make a cue feel horrible.




I also recommend that you very much take care of your cue, keep it clean. Don't leave it in the trunk or back seat of the car. When the new shaft starts to feel dingy don't use scotchbrite, don't use a magic eraser, go to the bathroom and get 2 paper towels, make one damp and keep the other dry. Buff the damp rag/towel, buff quick and fast up and down for maybe 10-15 sec it doesn't take long. Then immediately take the DRY rag/towel and buff it till it gets HOT and bam your shaft is gonna be slick and smooth again. If your shaft stays nick and dent free, this is the easiest and best way to keep the shaft staying nice and smooth. The oil from your hands and your dead skin, and if you use hand chalk, are what makes the shaft sticky. Do it every time you save up your cue after a session, and it will play like new next time you take it out the box.

Treat that cue like its your baby b/c without a cue you can't shoot, so if your planning on shooting then protect that cue, and it will become part of your arm. Like anything else peace of mind is a big key, bottom line is no matter what anyone says if you are having issues with your equipment its going to distract you. It will affect your concentration and decision making at the table, when the only thing you were supposed to be thinking about was the pattern to run out.

Koo koo for pool kues,
Grey Ghost
 
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I had a graphite KMART cue and played decent.

I then bought a Lucasi and played better.

I then bought a bushka and played the same, however the feel of my shots were much better. I believe I would play better with the bushka if I put a medium tip on it like the lucasi however. This way it would outplay the lucasi in actual shots, not just feel.



What do you think? How much does the cue matter?


Medium Talisman Layered VS a hard tip, which of these two do you prefer? I like the talisman so far, due to how long it lasts and keeps it shape as well as it plays very well.. However I am afraid the "hard" hit I like with my bushka might be just because the tip is a hard tip, and not a medium.

Last question, do any of you whom prefer a medium 9 layered talisman or similiar sacrifice the bonuses of a layered tip and play with a hard one just for the solid hit feel? Or do you sacrifice the positive solid hit feel to have the long lasting layered tip..

it depends on what you're trying to do with the cue. some shots are easier with different cues. basically as long as you find a cue you can get used to you'll figure out how to do do everything you'll need to do
 
I personal opinion is all about STROKE, You can play with any cues and still play very well.
 
at a certain point, cues really don't make that much difference in how you play. May make a difference in how much you enjoy playing though. Nothing wrong with the Adams (GB cue) or the lucasi. Both of them are going to be good hitting cues, and the truth is you'll not see any huge leaps up from them. Now it simply becomes a matter of taste. Where you like the balance point, how stiff of a hit you like, wood combination, the amount of bling, etc etc etc.

For a example, I have a joss sneaky that I paid 150 for, that cue plays just as well as cues that cost over 1000. I'm playing with a sugartree, the joss plays almost as well as the sugartree to me. I prefer the sugartree because it has a more forward balance, gives better feedback to my hands, and looks better. Subtle differences in other words.
 
Well said . . .

Of course it has to do more with our perception, and your perception directly affects how you perform mentally which is more important than actually shooting the ball. If you can't think well enough to know where to hit the ball then nothings going to help you. But if you can make the balls just fine, then your comfort is the second key to winning/success because it directly can put you in the wrong frame of mind.

FACT - human beings are naturally negative creatures, we all wait for when the worlds going to end instead of enjoying life. No matter who you are uncomfortable or bad equipment will have a negative effect on your game its our nature, we have been prone to this for thousands of years and we most likely will be forever. Don't just try and be tough and stick with a cue that you always wished you'd never even bought, put it on fleabay and get a new one.

The thing about a cue, is you need to be comfortable with what your shooting with. That's why when someone finds the "RIGHT" cue for them they will stick with it forever if they are smart. All cues play different, some hit crisper, some hit soft, some draw well some can jump easier etc...if you know your cue then its comforting b/c you know exactly what you can do with that cue. This sport is so hard, and the most important thing to becoming a truely solid player after you learn the basics, is the mental level you can hold yourself to. So being that the mental level is so important, then having any questions about your #1 tool capabilities or whatever is wont be to your benefit.

If its straight and your comfortable with it then its exactly what you need. Go through cues untill you find the one thats right for you, once you have it keep it cherish it, if your used to shooting with a really stiff hitting cue then your gonna be struggling with a meucci, don't just jump into a new cue every 6months because your games not getting better. Get a new cue if you feel you need something different no matter what kind it is. A good example would be someone at the bar selling you their meucci, if you said a year later man I think I'm going to go grab a Scruggs Sneaky pete for 500 bucks, I say do it. It's a more capable tool, and would actually hold its value at least.


Things to remember when you buy your playing cue

1) Looks come last place, I've hit with 5k$ cues that were dogs. And ugly cues that played top notch jam up. Just make sure the inlays or stickers are not falling off, and your good to go to step #2

2) Pick it up! When you hold that cue, if it feels funny in your hands then don't buy it. As in the handle is way too fat/skinny, maybe the taper of the shaft displeases you, or maybe its offbalanced more than you can stomach. Even too light or too heavy. It must feel comfortable to YOUR touch.
-If you hold a cue and you like how it feels then it can move to step #3

3)Roll whole cue put together, with the butt on the cloth and the joint falling just above the rail and laying on top (cue is at an angle). Roll the cue, if it was built on center and isn't warped then the tip will not wobble. You can roll a cue on the flat bed of the table and it can look PERFECT, then roll it with the joint on the rail and the shaft jumps all over. This is the best test to see if a cue is good and straight through and through, unless you put it on a lathe but not everyone has that so use the rail.

Your cue's straight as can be continue to step #4

4) Hold the full cue and pop it with your palm on the joint, watch the cue resonate. If you like a stiff hitting powerful cue then you don't want a cue that wobbles like a fish, if you like a soft hitting cue then you are looking for a little more action on the ends of the vibrating cue. The higher the nodal point on the shaft is (place where it does not vibrate) the stiffer the cue, the lower it is the softer/deader the cues going to play. And everything else in b/t

Ok so you like stiff cues and this one doesn't fish flop so move to step #5

5) Hit some balls with it, stop shots, draw, see how it shoots with a good amount of english, hit some banks too(what a cue can do makes a diff when your playing banks and how you hit the shot). But basically its just like rule # 2 if it doesn't feel comfortable, if you don't like the hit so much, if it doesn't jive with your inner child then put it back and start over.

One thing to remember deals with mostly production cues, being that many use bolts to adjust the weight, the same exact models of cues will hit diff/feel diff than each other when they are not the same weight. Pick up the 19oz and it plays great, pick up the 20 and its no good. So just because you tried that McDermott and liked the one you tried at an 18oz, so they ordered you the 20oz like you usually use, jokes on us b/c well its not going to play the same, just an extra ounce or so forward or back can make a cue feel horrible.




I also recommend that you very much take care of your cue, keep it clean. Don't leave it in the trunk or back seat of the car. When the new shaft starts to feel dingy don't use scotchbrite, don't use a magic eraser, go to the bathroom and get 2 paper towels, make one damp and keep the other dry. Buff the damp rag/towel, buff quick and fast up and down for maybe 10-15 sec it doesn't take long. Then immediately take the DRY rag/towel and buff it till it gets HOT and bam your shaft is gonna be slick and smooth again. If your shaft stays nick and dent free, this is the easiest and best way to keep the shaft staying nice and smooth. The oil from your hands and your dead skin, and if you use hand chalk, are what makes the shaft sticky. Do it every time you save up your cue after a session, and it will play like new next time you take it out the box.

Treat that cue like its your baby b/c without a cue you can't shoot, so if your planning on shooting then protect that cue, and it will become part of your arm. Like anything else peace of mind is a big key, bottom line is no matter what anyone says if you are having issues with your equipment its going to distract you. It will affect your concentration and decision making at the table, when the only thing you were supposed to be thinking about was the pattern to run out.

Koo koo for pool kues,
Grey Ghost

Excellent advice . . . :)
 
> I've always been of the opinion that the cue you choose to play with CAN make a difference,and at times a rather dramatic one at that,depending on whether you LIKE the cue you are playing with,or NOT.

This is the best example I can give of what I mean. I taped a TV match from the PBT days between Jimmy Wetch and Kim Davenport. Jimmy had used a variety of Schon cues most of his career at that point,and Kim had been playing for like 20 years with the same Szamboti. At the time of this match,both were under contract with Meucci.

I swear this is the truth,in a race to 11,both of them ran exactly one full rack of 9-ball EACH.

The stats were shown,and Jimmy won 11-10 in a match where he missed 11 open,makeable balls :eek:,along with position,kicking and safety errors,Kim missed 12 balls,with similar stats in other areas. Their TPA scores were below .800,playing that speed gets you BEAT about 85% of the time in world-class events,period.

It was painfully obvious neither of them liked the cues provided for them by their sponsor.

It may sound crazy,but Efren was really fond of the 15 dollar Filipino cue he came over here with,as well as the one that followed. Tommy D.
 
some random thoughts....

if you look up "bajillion" in the dictionary, it sais "thats how many cues Gerry has owned and played with!"

when you first start out and get a cheapy it makes no difference while you are learning. Then you get better, and move up to a new cue, and wonder how you ever played with the cheapy! At some point the cues you buy reach a "terminal quality"<<<<Gerrys new made up term (copy right!:) ) which means in the hands of a top player the good quality cue you are holding can beat anyone.

That being said, a new cue can "seem" to help your game, but for me it's short lived because I think I'm just paying better attention to things.

BUT, I did just get a new OB-2 shaft, and put it on a cheapo Kaiser cue, THE NUTZIZL!....OB shafts are by far my favorite!....firm smooth hit, tonz of RPM's.

have fun,

G.
 
My Dad had an interesting expression,"There is no such thing as an ugly gal...some are just prettier than others". Following that sage advice, "There is no such thing as a bad cue,...some are just better than others". For looks, Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, for cues...Better is in the hand of the holder.
 
some random thoughts....

if you look up "bajillion" in the dictionary, it sais "thats how many cues Gerry has owned and played with!"

when you first start out and get a cheapy it makes no difference while you are learning. Then you get better, and move up to a new cue, and wonder how you ever played with the cheapy! At some point the cues you buy reach a "terminal quality"<<<<Gerrys new made up term (copy right!:) ) which means in the hands of a top player the good quality cue you are holding can beat anyone.

That being said, a new cue can "seem" to help your game, but for me it's short lived because I think I'm just paying better attention to things.

BUT, I did just get a new OB-2 shaft, and put it on a cheapo Kaiser cue, THE NUTZIZL!....OB shafts are by far my favorite!....firm smooth hit, tonz of RPM's.

have fun,

G.

I had a friend that had a kasier with a predator shaft on it and I was suprised how solid that cue played for pennies on the dollar. I had gotten a 4 point about 5yrs ago and the points were PERFECT, it was super solid but the shaft sukd balls, I wish I had kept it and put a good shaft on it. A friend liked it an needed a cue so I gave him the hook up.

G.G.
 
Good weapon, nice easily use, if u r want to be real pool players.

For example, a good solider need a nice raffle.

just thought
 
For most shots it means nothing if the tip is right and it feels comfortable. If you miss a winning shot it is the cues fault. Time to buy a more expensive cue. If you follow this reasoning, which many do, you will eventually own a Buska. :yeah:
 
I had a graphite KMART cue and played decent.

I then bought a Lucasi and played better.

I then bought a bushka and played the same, however the feel of my shots were much better. I believe I would play better with the bushka if I put a medium tip on it like the lucasi however. This way it would outplay the lucasi in actual shots, not just feel.



What do you think? How much does the cue matter?


Medium Talisman Layered VS a hard tip, which of these two do you prefer? I like the talisman so far, due to how long it lasts and keeps it shape as well as it plays very well.. However I am afraid the "hard" hit I like with my bushka might be just because the tip is a hard tip, and not a medium.

Last question, do any of you whom prefer a medium 9 layered talisman or similiar sacrifice the bonuses of a layered tip and play with a hard one just for the solid hit feel? Or do you sacrifice the positive solid hit feel to have the long lasting layered tip..

Unfortunately we can't buy a better game. With that said the prices of cues do not reflect on how well they play, but rather in how they are made. Production cues will be less expensive and custom cues while costing more will not neccessarily play better.

Feel is a big part of this game, and if dosn't feel right then its not the cue for you. There are several components that make up the hit and feel of the cue. And they are all related, some of them are:cue weight; cue tip; ferrule material; shaft construction and what I think is most often overlooked is the joint. I prefer a wood to wood joint because of the feel. And I prefer the hard tip for the same reason. That may or may not be for you, so trying different tips, shafts and ferrules is the only way you can know what feels right to you.
 
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