Nah,I don`t wear a hat and vest.But I do have purple shoelaces,purple shoes,purple stick,purple glove and purple case.when I wear pink I give my name as Mr.Pink and when I wear Purple my name will be... ,you guessed it.
How to identify a hustler.
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Nah,I don`t wear a hat and vest.But I do have purple shoelaces,purple shoes,purple stick,purple glove and purple case.when I wear pink I give my name as Mr.Pink and when I wear Purple my name will be... ,you guessed it.
that was my first introduction to gambling. some guy drunk as a skunk kept saying "i'm so drunk even YOU could beat me".
i lost a hundred real quick.lol. after that we had a few drinks and i decided to really rededicate myself and make sure i didn't choke that bad ever again.
it also set up my rule #1. get weight from anyone from oklahoma
I don't find a problem with that. If you get in a bad game, adjust or get out. I've got in games with people I didn't know and ended up blowing more money than I wanted to. Just a lesson learned. I try to match up a little smarter now.
I've also played in tournaments where people come in and steal. But at the same time, I've been on both sides. I find nothing wrong with it, just part of the game. And its all a learning experience.
But you can't listen to what I say, apparently, Im a hustler.
You don't have any problem with people who create a deception in order to fool people into thinking that their opponent is on the same level?
So as long as two people are playing for money then any form of deception is ok for the better player to avoid making a fair game with the weaker player?
So it's ALL on the victim right?
Does this apply in other areas of life as well? Whenever a person uses deception to convince another person that they are getting a good deal when in fact they have ZERO chance of that happening is this ok in life as well?
I agree that the victim has some responsibility but sometimes the forces aligned against them are very sophisticated. You can't reasonably expect a normal working guy who just likes to play cheap pool with people on his level to be experienced enough to avoid triple smart hustlers. Hustlers are predators pure and simple. What they do is immoral and borderline illegal in my opinion. As my hustler friend put it it's robbery without a gun.
How do feel about it if you are in with a guy and he dumps you? Is that ok? What if you are the mark? Is just a lesson learned not to back people?
I mean let's take it to the extreme and say that ten people are involved in this scam. You are rich and this guy befriends you and you start backing him and you book some small winners, couple hundred here and there, couple thousand a few times, and he tells you about this game where he can win $20,000 and by now you are totally hooked and readily agree to the game and get totally dumped. How would you feel if you found out that it was all a scam - every match? Do you think that you deserved to get taken just because you wanted to be a part of the action?
Of course just like pregnancy and VD abstinence is the only way to stay childless and healthy. But in sex it's a crime to knowingly infect another person and it should be a crime to knowingly deceive another person with the intent to defraud them. That's all hustling at pool is to me.
hustling
John,
Should it be illegal to date? The girl spends hours trying to look like something she's not, the guy spends a bit of time doing the same and puts on his nice clothes and probably a little slick'm in his hair and stink'm to hide his real smell. Then they both act like the most perfect people in the world if they are interested in the other person.
If they manage to hook each other it isn't long after marriage before the real people show up. So isn't dating hustling? Is it just immoral or should it be illegal too?
Hu
John,
Should it be illegal to date? The girl spends hours trying to look like something she's not, the guy spends a bit of time doing the same and puts on his nice clothes and probably a little slick'm in his hair and stink'm to hide his real smell. Then they both act like the most perfect people in the world if they are interested in the other person.
If they manage to hook each other it isn't long after marriage before the real people show up. So isn't dating hustling? Is it just immoral or should it be illegal too?
Hu
Life is a slippery slope. From the girl you date to the guy selling a used car to the physician looking to get rich quick. The answer is to know whom you are dealing with. Even then you can get burnt.
It is the fool who plays a little pool and walks into the room thinking he can out smart the local hustler. But that is true in every area of life.
In the pool room when we are just out for a good time that is not the time to think that we can make a little money.
If you are gonna gamble, know who you are gambling with -- seems easy enough.
It is the fool who plays a little pool and walks into the room thinking he can out smart the local hustler. But that is true in every area of life.
In the pool room when we are just out for a good time that is not the time to think that we can make a little money.
If you are gonna gamble, know who you are gambling with -- seems easy enough.
John,
Should it be illegal to date? The girl spends hours trying to look like something she's not, the guy spends a bit of time doing the same and puts on his nice clothes and probably a little slick'm in his hair and stink'm to hide his real smell. Then they both act like the most perfect people in the world if they are interested in the other person.
If they manage to hook each other it isn't long after marriage before the real people show up. So isn't dating hustling? Is it just immoral or should it be illegal too?
Hu
Sometimes it should be. I sure as hell would have loved to know that first wife was manic depressive BEFORE I married her. She did a great job hustling me into marriage.
I get your point. The real point would be the woman or man who totally schemes to manipulate the other person in a sociopathic way in order to steal all their assets. Look up the new stories of people who have been convicted of doing this to elderly people.
I really did suggest to all three of my very good looking daughters that they live with any guy they thought about getting married to for six months. At the end of that time get married or get out. By the end of six months she would know if it was a hustle or a real relationship.
Some things are more important than a couple of bucks on a pool table.
Some things are more important than a couple of bucks on a pool table.
Which is why Jack Cooney would reportedly move to a town for months to set up a mark. He gave everyone he gambled with a chance to "know" him.
Not quite so easy when the guy you "know" turns out to have been playing for the other team the whole time.
One time at Tiger's pool room in little Edmond, OK a bunch of us would gamble every day at golf on the snooker table. One day I went in and Ted wasn't there and I asked where he was. I was told that "Ted" had arrested several people from the poolroom for dealing drugs. "Ted" had been a part of group for months and we had all gambled with him. No one who was part of the pool playing gambling crowd got hassled by the police and it wasn't anyone from our group who was dealing. Sometimes though you just can't really KNOW who you are dealing with.
Hustlers do not do any magic and do not create any illusions.It is your grandiosity,underestimation of other`s skills that made u think that the hustler can`t play.you as a so called victim should learn to be humble,learn to realistically assess your self worth rather than being grandiose.You thought that u could rob him.Take some responsibility for your greediness.
if u are humble & respectable of other people`s skills u don`t have to worry about being hustled.
if u are humble & respectable of other people`s skills u don`t have to worry about being hustled.
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"When people get greedy they get stupid, and when people get greedy and stupid they deserve what they get". George C Scott - The Flim Flam Man
Without passing moral judgement, the psychology of the hustle is interesting to me.
Bernie Madoff was running an "investment" business that in hindsight was clearly too good to be true, producing excellent returns even in down markets. How many of his customers stopped to wonder how he was doing it? As former head of the NASDAQ a lot of people figured he had some insider information which allowed him to get better deals (slightly illegal) and a lot of others didn't care how he was doing it as long as the return on investment was high. The hustle to get new people into the scheme was to tell them he wasn't taking any new investors, but he would make an exception in their case with the stipulation that they had make a minimum investment which grew from $1 million to $10 million.
It is cold blooded to say that they "deserve" it, but there is no doubt greed - one of the seven deadly sins - on the part of the mark is a powerful factor in the hustle.
here is a classic scheme from the Flim Flam Man with George C Scott and Slim Pickens.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8hEm6LiU3rw
Without passing moral judgement, the psychology of the hustle is interesting to me.
Bernie Madoff was running an "investment" business that in hindsight was clearly too good to be true, producing excellent returns even in down markets. How many of his customers stopped to wonder how he was doing it? As former head of the NASDAQ a lot of people figured he had some insider information which allowed him to get better deals (slightly illegal) and a lot of others didn't care how he was doing it as long as the return on investment was high. The hustle to get new people into the scheme was to tell them he wasn't taking any new investors, but he would make an exception in their case with the stipulation that they had make a minimum investment which grew from $1 million to $10 million.
It is cold blooded to say that they "deserve" it, but there is no doubt greed - one of the seven deadly sins - on the part of the mark is a powerful factor in the hustle.
here is a classic scheme from the Flim Flam Man with George C Scott and Slim Pickens.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8hEm6LiU3rw
mostly humor
John,
That post was mostly humor. The only real point is that it is very hard to draw a line and say "this is fine" and "this is hustling". Blatant hustling is one thing, just not really focusing until the dollars are right can be another thing. Was it hustling when I went into a bar after a hard day's work and just planned to drink a few beers and hit a few balls? Somebody comes up and wants to play for a beer. "Sure."
For a beer I'm still relaxing and banging balls around. We play a few games and they want to play for twenty or fifty a game. I decline, they insist. Then they get a lot different game when I'm playing for dollars that amount to hours of hard work to earn on my day job. They lost, so did that make me the hustler instead of them? (Their game changed a bunch too of course!)
Hu
John,
That post was mostly humor. The only real point is that it is very hard to draw a line and say "this is fine" and "this is hustling". Blatant hustling is one thing, just not really focusing until the dollars are right can be another thing. Was it hustling when I went into a bar after a hard day's work and just planned to drink a few beers and hit a few balls? Somebody comes up and wants to play for a beer. "Sure."
For a beer I'm still relaxing and banging balls around. We play a few games and they want to play for twenty or fifty a game. I decline, they insist. Then they get a lot different game when I'm playing for dollars that amount to hours of hard work to earn on my day job. They lost, so did that make me the hustler instead of them? (Their game changed a bunch too of course!)
Hu
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No, if you are not deliberately trying to deceive in order to jack the bet then it's not hustling. That's a lot different than casing the place and knowing who the marks are and tailoring your "character" to manipulate them into a bad game.
No, if you are not deliberately trying to deceive in order to jack the bet then it's not hustling. That's a lot different than casing the place and knowing who the marks are and tailoring your "character" to manipulate them into a bad game.
Come on Vagabond. You know full well that hustlers create illusions. What are illusions other than deceptive pictures? A person who deliberately hides their speed and identity in order to convince someone else that he is not good is creating an illusion.
You know full well that's it's not always a matter of greed. Sometimes a person just wants to match up with a fair and sporting game and have an even chance to win. The good hustler INSURES that the mark has NO CHANCE.
The only way to not have to worry about being hustled at pool is not to play for money. If you play for money then at some point someone will hustle you no matter how humble and respectful you are.
I think you are just taking this too far. I find nothing wrong with hustling pool.
There are hustlers EVERYWHERE in life, not just pool. First things first, ya'll, protect ya neck!
Some times its fun to play people you dont know for $$$$, If you keep your head in it and play good its suprising how many times you can win playing strangers. There is nothing wrong with playing strangers if your careful and pay attention. I wish more people would do that these days-thats whats missing from pool, everyone is overly cautious and thats a action killer.
It's cool. Some people are in love with the idea of hustling - I was too for a long time then my attitude changed one day when I saw how my friends were hurt by the fact that I didn't warn them about a hustler in town. I was silent because the hustler's brother was on my league team and they asked me not to say anything. Seeing my friends get robbed and having to face them later when it came out that I knew the guy beforehand turned me off to "hustling" forever. Don't get me wrong though I still like the "romantic" live-by-your-wits edge of society life of the hustler but I don't want to be one, don't want to help one, and still get stung when I fall prey to one.
I wonder though. What sort of a scandal it would be if someone hustled on TAR and dumped their high profile match in order to take off the rail?
I suppose that would ok with everyone who likes hustling because as the Runout shirt says "Hustling's not a crime". (I won't wear that one) But I do like my shirt from PoolTees that says Major League Hustler with a parody of the Major League Baseball logo on it.
I guess our idea of "hustling" is a bit different. Dumping isn't hustling.