How to identify a hustler.

cleary said:
I guess our idea of "hustling" is a bit different. Dumping isn't hustling.
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It's not?

What is losing on purpose then? So when a person loses on purpose in order to win money then it's not dumping? I didn't say that the player who is losing on purpose on TAR is dumping a backer. What if they put up their own money and then had much more bet on the side against themselves?

Why is this any different than if someone does the same thing in the pool room?

To go back to the Color of Money - remember the two brothers and a stranger hustle? Vince goes in and plays lights out and shows everyone that he is best and no one wants to play him anymore without a huge spot.

Eddie comes in later acting like an obnoxious drunk with money and heckles Vince. He offers to bet against Vince and the rail takes him up on it and of course Vince then dogs it and they win the cash from bartender.

How do you define this? Are certain hustles allowed but not others?

What would you say if someone gets on AZ and offers nutty odds on player x to win. He takes all action and the total amount on the rail is very very high. Player Y inexplicably loses to player x but he does manage to cover SOME of the spreads so the guy giving out the odds loses SOME of the bets but he wins the majority of the money? How would you classify this behavior if you knew that player Y laid down.

Or is "hustling" only that which happens between two players in your opinion?
 
The justification that always keeps coming up is that the hustling victim is trying to do some unarmed robbery too. He just failed to do it. If he weren't greedy for the hustler's money, he couldn't have gotten robbed. At least, that seems to be the theory. Basically as long as you don't look to take someone else's money, you can never get victimized by a hustle.

I also find it a bit sleazy, but any player who is willing to gamble money has to be A - smart enough to never gamble more than he's comfortable losing and B - be aware that anyone at any time can be stalling. If they've spent more than a couple of years playing pool then they should know these 2 basic facts of life and really have no cause for complaint.

I'm not saying it's the victim's fault, only that they're not really a victim any more than a guy who bets on red and it comes up black. That's how you have to treat it mentally, as a coin flip. If they fail to do that then losing once should teach them the lesson. If they keep losing then they failed to learn the lesson and it's hard to feel sorry for 'em.
 
Shane got hustled

SVB got hustled recently and it left him feeling very raw even though he came out a thousand ahead! Turned out he was just the window dressing and the guy took off Bustamonte pretty big right afterwards. Never-the-less, Shane was conned mightily and that stings as much as the money lost, sometimes more, if you ever find out you were hustled. The good hustlers leave you laughing and ready to play again next time.

Hu
 
I can't tell you how enlightening this thread has been. Yesterday, I was peaceably playing one pocket when this young girl, (one of the guys took her picture with his c-phone) disguised as a midget with a hump, walks up to the table and asked if anyone played for money.
Having only recently seen this thread, I immediately yelled out, "Look out, this is a hustler!" and me and the boys threw her out the front door.
Thanks AZer's. That was a close one. :D

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Funny stuff, so funny I couldn't even bare to watch the entire video.
Let's get to the point: To avoid getting "hustled," smarten up! Don't trust just anyone, sometimes even a friend...learned that one the hard way!
 
Hustled

I got hustled once. In the mid eighties i used to hang out in this pool room and a new guy started coming in. we were soon playing short races or $5 a game 9 ball. I would play this guy 3 or 4 times a week with him just about always winning $25 or $30 dollars.

He was a real cheerful guy and one of the nicest guys you would ever meet. always willing to play and always in a good mood. well he had about 4 or 5 of us he would play.

It took me about a month to figure out this guy was really good. After that I knew he was hustling me. he was so nice though i continued to play him for a few more months. He would even let me win once in a while.

It lasted until one night a good road player came in and our resident hustler made a big score off of him. I guess he knew he was about to move on anyway. I always enjoyed playing him and loved watching him take off the road player for some big money.
 
how it went in my local bar

Klink said:
I got hustled once. In the mid eighties i used to hang out in this pool room and a new guy started coming in. we were soon playing short races or $5 a game 9 ball. I would play this guy 3 or 4 times a week with him just about always winning $25 or $30 dollars.

He was a real cheerful guy and one of the nicest guys you would ever meet. always willing to play and always in a good mood. well he had about 4 or 5 of us he would play.

It took me about a month to figure out this guy was really good. After that I knew he was hustling me. he was so nice though i continued to play him for a few more months. He would even let me win once in a while.

It lasted until one night a good road player came in and our resident hustler made a big score off of him. I guess he knew he was about to move on anyway. I always enjoyed playing him and loved watching him take off the road player for some big money.
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My closest corner bar had a couple of challenge tables and I'd play the other regulars for weeks at a time. When somebody came through the door looking for action there was no question who would play them though. Somebody started steering the road players passing through Greenway my way and then the folks coming through the door were in another class than the usual people passing through looking for action. I had to play belly to the ground flat out to hang with them. Funny thing though, as long as I didn't break out that gear with the local guys we would go right back to playing $3 and $5 games the next night.

Hu
 
JoeW said:
When I say the hustle worked, I noted that Hopkins started missing shots and position that he had not been missing earlier in the tournament. Not many, but then with Earl you don't have to miss many.
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It's call sharking not hustling.
 
ShootingArts said:
My closest corner bar had a couple of challenge tables and I'd play the other regulars for weeks at a time. When somebody came through the door looking for action there was no question who would play them though. Somebody started steering the road players passing through Greenway my way and then the folks coming through the door were in another class than the usual people passing through looking for action. I had to play belly to the ground flat out to hang with them. Funny thing though, as long as I didn't break out that gear with the local guys we would go right back to playing $3 and $5 games the next night.

Hu
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Your right play my speed against me and I would keep playing back then. i still learned a ton of stuff playing that guy for those few months and got an education that will last a lifetime.

His name was Rick and the room was the Rack n Cue in Orlando.
 
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