How to pick a trainer/coach/mentor

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I recently had my worst pool night ever and after 20 years I decided I need a mentor/coach/trainer. Not just $ 50 hour pool lessons here and there. Someone I can work with for the long term to significantly improve my game. Delusions of being a word class player are gone...I just want to be happy on pool nights again.

My questions are how do I find one? How do I choose one? What can I expect to pay for a long term trainer? What type of time can I expect to work with the trainer?

Any insights appreciated.
 
I have a Pool Instructor and I used to meet with him once a week but now its every other week. I think for a whole year of training adds up to around 1,000-2,000. It also depends on the instructor. My instructor is willing to trade business and gives you a huge discount if you refer people and they start taking lessons. I can tell you that I have definitely noticed my game getting better a lot faster since I started taking lessons. I can say that lessons are definitely worth it if you are serious enough about pool. I have learned a lot since I have started my lessons and have noticed a huge increase in my game. I also practice a lot as well. Good luck with everything and PM me if you have any questions.
 
Different coaches tend to have one specialty, whether it is aiming, knowledge of the game, mental aspects of the game or fundamentals. They will tend to cover all aspects of the game but will be able to significantly improve one part of your game the most. For me when I had a coach I was 8, just starting to take the game seriously so it was massively fundamental based. It set in stone my stroke and stance which hasn't changed much over the years, even to this day. I then went to an academy we had at the time over here in my mid teens, that was paid on a yearly basis and I can't quite remember how much. It wasn't cheap though. After that I got lucky, a guy at my pool hall turned out to be one of the countries top instructors, he took a shine to me and we would play, he'd give me advice and mentor me free of charge.

My advice would be to not look for 'the best players to help you as they rarely turn out to be as good at explaining things as they are at playing. Instead look for someone who has a lot of experience, knows what they're talking about and is willing to teach you all they know. Prices will vary, from a few beers to several hundred per session. I think a session with Darren Appleton was £300 per hour not so long back. Yes he is an excellent player but nothing he can teach you in an hour is worth £300. Just don't get sucked in to paying over the odds.
 
I recently had my worst pool night ever and after 20 years I decided I need a mentor/coach/trainer. Not just $ 50 hour pool lessons here and there. Someone I can work with for the long term to significantly improve my game. Delusions of being a word class player are gone...I just want to be happy on pool nights again.

My questions are how do I find one? How do I choose one? What can I expect to pay for a long term trainer? What type of time can I expect to work with the trainer?

Any insights appreciated.

I am an instructor - but I also "coach". So ... you found one.


There is a difference between training/instructing and coaching - there are as many different styles as there are people - so choosing is going to be dependent on your needs - your dedication - and whether you put faith in the process.

What will it cost - and how long will it take?
The length of time will depend upon where you are going - and the specificity of your goals.

Dreams are goals with a deadline - and I was told a long time ago to never put a price tag on a dream. Sometimes that price is very high. Eventually the size of that price tag will get more attention than the work that needs to be done. I've seen that happen - and that is why I keep my rates well within reason to where any player can afford it.

It takes time - it takes dedication - effort - and the will to see it through. If you have any questions - don't hesitate to get with me.
 
How to get references for pool instruction/coaching/training

I would say get some references - Here's some of mine - CLICK HERE PM me your address and I'll send you my first 3 videos for free to get you started.....after that you're on your own to decide what's right for you.

Best Wishes.....and Play Well - The Game is Our Teacher


I recently had my worst pool night ever and after 20 years I decided I need a mentor/coach/trainer. Not just $ 50 hour pool lessons here and there. Someone I can work with for the long term to significantly improve my game. Delusions of being a word class player are gone...I just want to be happy on pool nights again.

My questions are how do I find one? How do I choose one? What can I expect to pay for a long term trainer? What type of time can I expect to work with the trainer?

Any insights appreciated.
 
I found mine through the PBIA website. Certified professional instructors all over the country. Structured approach and consistent methodology. A professional approach to a sport that is in desperate need. Now we spend more time playing and using real world situations to think strategy and cue ball control. But i still do drills and he watches my stroke and stance to be sure that i do not backslide. Meet weekly, buy will change to every two weeks soon. Best money I ever spend on this sport.
 
You have to be a realist though, sometimes the game is hard.

If it wasn't a challenge then much of the intrigue would vanish.

No matter how well you play, you will have some good and some bad times.

Sometimes you're the hammer, sometimes you're the nail. I laughed, I cried, I loved it.
 
I would say get some references - Here's some of mine - CLICK HERE PM me your address and I'll send you my first 3 videos for free to get you started.....after that you're on your own to decide what's right for you.

Best Wishes.....and Play Well - The Game is Our Teacher

I will have to say CJ as much as we banter your differences , you always are willing to give away your videos and advice for free ,, of course pushers do the same but hey in this case no ones getting addicted :eek: but seriously it should not go unrecognized :thumbup:

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I found mine through the PBIA website. Certified professional instructors all over the country. Structured approach and consistent methodology. A professional approach to a sport that is in desperate need. .

And you can look up the ACS website and find their list of instructors from around the country as well ;)
 
Lots of instructors here in the states... Coaches and mentors.... hmmm


usually a mentor finds you.... they take you under their wing because they see something... A coach? There may be a a handful of instructors that might fall into that genre if you are close to them but a coach is almost as intimate as a mentor cept you likely need to pay em something....

I'd say Geno, CJ and Lee Brett would be able to fit into the coach role... Just because of personal interactions with them and knowing at the end of the day it's not about what you paid them but what they were allowed to pay forward.......

Lots of instructors simply do the lesson and set you up for the next paying lesson.... Those are neither coach nor mentor they are more worried about the check cashing than you journey........

There may be more out there than what I listed and they may be here on AZ... I would think Stan Shuffett would be world class if you were close and he had the time.............

Chris
 
where are you at?

The best instructors are an elite few. I would put BlackJack on that list not only for pool skills but teaching skills. CJ I simply don't know about his teaching so I can't say, not intended to discourage working with him, I don't know. Joe Villalpando, absolutely as good as they come! Joe Tucker, excellent judging by his video's. Jerry B, one of the first pool instructors, certainly one of the best too. Several more here on the forum, and a bunch more out there now. Been away from the forum awhile and last names aren't coming to mind at the moment.

Where you are located and your skill level would help people advise you. Most long distance instruction is of limited value although I did get a thousand for a fifteen minute phone call coaching something else awhile back, very inexpensive for value received!

I would select someone I could spend a day with once a month with intensive phone support at a bare minimum but two to four times a month would be far better. A good advisor available for in person instruction and coaching is more valuable than a great one that you can't see regularly. I think BlackJack did offer video analysis at one time. If he still does and a local instructor you mesh with isn't available then that could be an excellent start.

Some instructors are easier to work with than others. From phone calls I think Joe V and BlackJack would be fantastic, Scott Lee and Randy G both good guys and strong possibilities. Jerry B I think is great by all secondhand reports. Stan Shuffett also gets very high marks from everyone that sees him I believe. An instructor you click with is more important than having the very best if you aren't comfortable with them and don't have good communication.

When you do pick a coach/instructor stay with them until or unless you have strong reason to leave. Don't change instructors or equipment often, this includes type of tip, and don't try to get information from fourteen sources at once. There are many paths to success but taking a little from here and a little from there is least likely to get you to your goals.

Some of the top players are great coaches/instructors, some are lousy. Can't recommend any first hand but judging by his video I would try John Schmidt if he was close by and his prices inline with other instructors. I wouldn't pay a premium for a person's success on a pool table without an excellent track record teaching too, a lot of intangibles that can not be taught or can only be partially taught go into making a champion. No sense paying for something you can't buy!

Hu
 
I recently had my worst pool night ever and after 20 years I decided I need a mentor/coach/trainer. Not just $ 50 hour pool lessons here and there. Someone I can work with for the long term to significantly improve my game. Delusions of being a word class player are gone...I just want to be happy on pool nights again.

My questions are how do I find one? How do I choose one? What can I expect to pay for a long term trainer? What type of time can I expect to work with the trainer?

Any insights appreciated.

I'll throw my hat in the ring here: http://crowncitybilliards.com/store/index.php/testimonials/

My students pay for booked training/instructional time, but they also get long term coaching included as part of the relationship.

Me & my Academy have been honored in guiding the game of students in the range of the pure novice to top 10 in the nation!
 
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