How will you defend SVB this time?

At the very top level where Shane and Darren play either one of them can lose to each other on a given day and like Jay said it was Darren's day in that match. 9 ball is a game where the best player doesn't have to win every match and anyone who plays it regularly knows this. Darren won the US Open back to back, but Shane just went undefeated the last two US Opens and he was unstoppable. Darren, Mika, Earl, and many more were there. Shane is young and he hasn't traveled the world and played in as many tournaments as Darren and Mika have so his time is coming to win internationally. For my money Shane is the most impressive player i've ever seen and i've seen them all live and on Accu-stats many times. It's hard to say one player is the best over all the rest of the killer players in the world. Look at Thorsten who was just crowned the best player in the world. He was an also ran at the US Open.

James

Shane is a great player, but I don't think he is the best ever. Everybody is entitled to his own opinion though. He definitely has one of the best breaks ever and can run out very consistently. However, there are better shot makers and strategic players. Shane makes up for these relative deficits via power game.
 
No excuse needed. Since when has Daz ever struggled against Shane in a tournament format. They are both superstars and will go back and forth.

Unfortunately, Shane hasn't learned how to win overseas, while Darren wins tournaments in Asia, Europe and the United States.

The real winner when these two meet in a big spot is the fans, and it really was a shame this wasn't streamed.

In nine ball, the last four times I can think of that they met, Darren crushed Shane by 10 racks to 1 in the winner taker all finals at the 2012 International Challenge of Champions, they split their two singles matches at the 2012 Mosconi Cup, and Darren beat Shane easily today.

I couldn't care less who would win in a long race. Pro pool is not about long races and never has been. The long match is a novelty, one many have come to enjoy, myself included, but every BCA Hall of Fame player earned their stripes by excelling in short match events. When you lose a match in pro sports, you don't get to say "shall we go again?" You had your chance and got beat.

Shane will surely get another shot at Darren at the Mosconi, and maybe it will be Shane's turn and maybe it won't.
spot on sir!!!!

Besides.. Daz is better anyway
 
SVB lost to Darren Appleton 8-3 in teh world pool masters and was unlucky it wasn't a whitewash. Now before we start I am not saying SVB is not one of the best players in the world, but like I said in other threads he cannot be deemed the best player on planet earth like Earl, Mika, Daz were when they were winning everything in sight.

I believe Bartram and JB cases scoffed at my claims in the week earlier. What do you have to say now when I told you all SVB was 8-1 because bookies aren't stupid, they know SVB kacks his pants when he is outside the TAR studio or American soil.

Short races funny things happen. Long races the best player wins....
 
You don't judge people based on losses.
You judge them based on wins.
Losses don't mean anything, every pool player on earth loses.
But very few win the titles these players have won.

You can lose to Darren 8-3 also.
That doesn't mean you're the equal of SVB.
 
zomg, shane lost to one of the top 5 players in the world. he's the worst!!

then again, darren lost in the finals to someone who isn't top 5 in the world. he's even more worse!!!
 
Short races funny things happen. Long races the best player wins....
I disagree with you.If you are one of the best players in
the world,you must be able to adapt to any format not just marathon races.

To me,the best player in the world in 9 ball, is whoever wins the World title.
Or 10 ball would be the World 10 ball title and so on.

I've always believed titles hold merit no matter what the race is.
Gambling to me doesn't prove anything in the way of determining the best.

I've heard people say,playing for the big bucks will determine the best player,
to see if they can take the heat.

For me personally, winning World titles and titles in general is the true
definition of playing under the gun.
 
I disagree with you.If you are one of the best players in
the world,you must be able to adapt to any format not just marathon races.

To me,the best player in the world in 9 ball, is whoever wins the World title.
Or 10 ball would be the World 10 ball title and so on.

I've always believed titles hold merit no matter what the race is.
Gambling to me doesn't prove anything in the way of determining the best.

I've heard people say,playing for the big bucks will determine the best player,
to see if they can take the heat.

For me personally, winning World titles and titles in general is the true
definition of playing under the gun.

Except playing in a single elimination/short race format isn't something you can adapt too. You can't change variance. You either get good rolls or you don't.

The whole point of playing longer races is so that both players will have their fair share of good and bad rolls.
 
SVB lost to Darren Appleton 8-3 in teh world pool masters and was unlucky it wasn't a whitewash. Now before we start I am not saying SVB is not one of the best players in the world, but like I said in other threads he cannot be deemed the best player on planet earth like Earl, Mika, Daz were when they were winning everything in sight.

I believe Bartram and JB cases scoffed at my claims in the week earlier. What do you have to say now when I told you all SVB was 8-1 because bookies aren't stupid, they know SVB kacks his pants when he is outside the TAR studio or American soil.

I still scoff at your claims.

Ask Daz if he wants to get in the box with Shane on any Diamond or Brunswick 9 footer. Race to 100 for ten thousand.

Anyone at their level can win or lose a race to 8.

It's called rolls. Whoever gets the rolls wins the match.
 
We always used 30 games as the mark for evening out the rolls

I've always enjoyed your posts, as you are very knowledgable and make good points. In this instance, you come on a bit strong, IMO, you should have qualified this is your opinion. It may be held by a lot of people. But not all, I see it, if you want to find out who is the best, you play, old school, for the cash, til the loser has had enough or quits. I put more stock in a long race than a race to 8. That's why I've never thought the Mosconi Cup was anything more than good entertainment.

That's right, the Mosconi Cup is a race to 5 which is certainly not any kind of test of skill.

A race to 8 is better, but just barely.

We always used 30 games as the mark for evening out the rolls and proving who's actually a "better player" that week.......so a race to 30 would be ideal, however, in a race to 15 the games are going to be close enough to 30 total - even with luck leaning one way racing to 15 is enough make it a skillful test.

Any race under a race to 15 is not going to even out the luck element. On Real ESPN Matches we always played to a lesser number, but the pressure was much higher playing in front of millions of people.
 
try racing to 10,000. DAZ doesn't have a chance...


SVB lost to Darren Appleton 8-3 in teh world pool masters and was unlucky it wasn't a whitewash. Now before we start I am not saying SVB is not one of the best players in the world, but like I said in other threads he cannot be deemed the best player on planet earth like Earl, Mika, Daz were when they were winning everything in sight.

I believe Bartram and JB cases scoffed at my claims in the week earlier. What do you have to say now when I told you all SVB was 8-1 because bookies aren't stupid, they know SVB kacks his pants when he is outside the TAR studio or American soil.
 
That's right, the Mosconi Cup is a race to 5 which is certainly not any kind of test of skill.

A race to 8 is better, but just barely.

We always used 30 games as the mark for evening out the rolls and proving who's actually a "better player" that week.......so a race to 30 would be ideal, however, in a race to 15 the games are going to be close enough to 30 total - even with luck leaning one way racing to 15 is enough make it a skillful test.

Any race under a race to 15 is not going to even out the luck element. On Real ESPN Matches we always played to a lesser number, but the pressure was much higher playing in front of millions of people.

Actually the Mosconi Cup is many Races to Five, first one to win eleven! So they are in effect playing 11 out of 21 Races to Five, a pretty damn good test of skill and NERVES! I will contend that this is a very good test of who has the superior team. No question that the USA dominated for many years and now the tables are turned. I find it also interesting that when the USA dominated these matches, they had the best players in the world on their teams. Sigel, Rempe, Varner, Hopkins, Strickland, Davenport etc. These were the same guys who were winning championships back then. And now that Europe has become dominant in the Cup, they have some of the best players in the world on their teams. Mika, Ralf, Darren, Thorsten, Karl, Niels etc. These guys are consistent winners worldwide! You think that's just a coincidence? Well I don't!
 
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