How would you play this?
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I really, really like the option branpureza came up with. Superstar, you apparently did set the kick up so that you could get a good natural reaction if you used a system approach.
(Yes, that is one of many systems I'm familiar with.)
I like these things... Lots of interesting looks.
(Yes, that is one of many systems I'm familiar with.)
I like these things... Lots of interesting looks.
Isn't hitting the 8 first a foul?
Pretty sure it's a foul in the official rule book.
So unless you manage to get the 8 to BLOCK the 5, this potentially loses the game as well.
As it lays on the screen.
You give up BIH and the person places the cue ball to pocket the 5 cause the 5 GOES, and you draw back on a slight angle to break up the 8 and the 15, and you are sitting in good position to make the 4 to come around for the 8 for the win.
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LOL.. yeah except... stripes is shooting, not solids.
I just finished reading all the post since I was on here last. I still like the three rail kick option the best. However if for some reason I didn't feel comfortable with that my second option would be to reposition the ten ball one rail to about between the second and third diamond on the long rail as tight to it a possible.
I would not take the ten up table. By doing that they could easily pocket the 15 ball and run up for the ten. By putting the 10 ball directly across from their 15 ball the position on the 10 would not be so easy.
In order for them to pocket the 15 ball they will want to try to get it as straight as possible to make sure they make it because of the distance to the corner pocket. They will run the cue ball as far forward as possible and then take a cut on the ten to top right corner, unless if they decide to juice it up with some inside english, which would be chancy. Even after all this they might still have a hard time with the eight ball. The only thing I don't like about this is that I might put them in a total offense situation because they might not have many defensive options. Personally I like to give my opponents an option for a safe in these type of situations.
I don't like the option to the bank the eight ball to the 15 ball area because if not hit perfect they will combo the 5 ball with the 15 ball and with the eight ball there I'm sure to be hooked on the 4 ball.
I would not take the ten up table. By doing that they could easily pocket the 15 ball and run up for the ten. By putting the 10 ball directly across from their 15 ball the position on the 10 would not be so easy.
In order for them to pocket the 15 ball they will want to try to get it as straight as possible to make sure they make it because of the distance to the corner pocket. They will run the cue ball as far forward as possible and then take a cut on the ten to top right corner, unless if they decide to juice it up with some inside english, which would be chancy. Even after all this they might still have a hard time with the eight ball. The only thing I don't like about this is that I might put them in a total offense situation because they might not have many defensive options. Personally I like to give my opponents an option for a safe in these type of situations.
I don't like the option to the bank the eight ball to the 15 ball area because if not hit perfect they will combo the 5 ball with the 15 ball and with the eight ball there I'm sure to be hooked on the 4 ball.
hmmm
The problem with the 3 rail kick is that the 5 is frozen.This means you will be trying to move the solids in a way that leaves the solids blocking the pocket and also tying up the stripes.The chances of getting a good hit are pretty low imo.
Superstar is right pocketing the 10 should be loss of game.
Pushing the 15 to the 5 is a good shot against some players but any smart player will use BIH to pocket the 5 and get safe maybe even moving the 4 a bit to open the pocket.
The 3 rail kick may be the best option giving up BIH most likely and hoping to tie things up.I think I would try moving the 15 to where it rests against the 4 ball.
The problem with the 3 rail kick is that the 5 is frozen.This means you will be trying to move the solids in a way that leaves the solids blocking the pocket and also tying up the stripes.The chances of getting a good hit are pretty low imo.
Superstar is right pocketing the 10 should be loss of game.
Pushing the 15 to the 5 is a good shot against some players but any smart player will use BIH to pocket the 5 and get safe maybe even moving the 4 a bit to open the pocket.
The 3 rail kick may be the best option giving up BIH most likely and hoping to tie things up.I think I would try moving the 15 to where it rests against the 4 ball.
This layout is more about what you SHOULDN'T do rather than what you SHOULD do. Stripes has a lot of problems, even with ball-in-hand but that's not to say it's impossible.
You have to make a solid assessment of the situation. How good is your opponent? Are you playing Mika or APA Bob at the s/l 4? If you're playing Mika, your best bet might be to kick behind the 4/5 and hope to reverse the safety. If you're playing APA Bob, I think you have to make sure the 15 remains on the rail OR you tie up the 15 further by moving it up against the 4/5.
Regardless of what you do, don't open up the table any more than you have to. Make stripes work for it. This shot is merely the beginning of a sequence of safeties that you're going to have to execute in order to gain control of the table (unless, of course, you nail the safety outright).
You have to make a solid assessment of the situation. How good is your opponent? Are you playing Mika or APA Bob at the s/l 4? If you're playing Mika, your best bet might be to kick behind the 4/5 and hope to reverse the safety. If you're playing APA Bob, I think you have to make sure the 15 remains on the rail OR you tie up the 15 further by moving it up against the 4/5.
Regardless of what you do, don't open up the table any more than you have to. Make stripes work for it. This shot is merely the beginning of a sequence of safeties that you're going to have to execute in order to gain control of the table (unless, of course, you nail the safety outright).
I agree 3 rail kick arond the opposite corner behind the 4 and 5
You reposition the 10, I take ball in hand, combo the 15 making the 5, drawing back behind the 8. You have no chance. The 15 will sit in front of the 4, what you gonna do now.
You make that sound so simple. With all that movement you're talking about many things could go wrong for you. I'll give you an example of some options that would be available to me if you do what you proposed.
1st With that draw you're talking about the 15 ball may follow in.
2nd If you don't get get behind the eight or let me see a bit of that rail I would have options.
3rd I might still be able to go across table for an attempt to either pocket my ball or combo your ball or play safe depending on how they would lay.
4th I could push the eight on top of your 15 ball leaving my ball exposed and your ball locked up.
There's always a chance
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Well, when i first started playing pool, i don't recall there being a 3 foul rule in one pocket, although that may just be me not having a clue about the game back then.
But i distinctly remember the 3 foul rule being a "WTH!?!?! are you serious" type of reaction when i first heard it.
As for 8 ball, i think the rules change every single time i ever played the game depending on which bar i walked into, or if it was at a pool hall, or whatever.
I know that i've gone to pool halls, where the rules were the house rules, regardless of what the heck the rule book said.
So for all i know, there could be a 3 foul rule in there, or it could be unlimited fouls till the cows come home or it could be can't play safe more then 3 times on the same rail, or that rule where they can call the game a draw (stupidest rule on the planet, fire the BCA on that one)
Honestly, i don't play enough 8 ball to know. The only time i see 8 ball in a pool hall is when some league people are practicing up for a match.
Otherwise, i NEVER see it.
The IPT used the three foul rule in their eight ball.
As far as one pocket goes it's probably only used in tournament play to speed things up. I never matched up in one hole with that rule. I remember one game that I was corner hooked at the far end of the table and he had all the balls near his pocket and four balls to the good. I took about six intentional fouls so now he needed 10 and I needed 16.
I finally rolled the cue ball out to what I felt was the hardest shot for him and he missed and I wound up winning that game.
JoeyA,
Thats exactally what I tried to do, and failed. If I would have executed it better I think I would have won.
I tried the 3 rail kick shot, and I made a good hit more than 70% of the time, and left him safe about 30% of the time.
I think, for me at least, that the percentage shot here is to bank the 8, like JoeyA says and almost cinch myself another turn at the table to do something. I set up the shot, and tied up the balls really good more than 90% of the time.
I guess the moral of the story is not to leave myself in these situtations.
i meant you playing one pocket b/c of the "play safe till the end of time" comment not the 3foul rule...
Ahhh. I see. Yes, that is a part of my mentality as a result of one pocket.
Well, in this particular game layout, whoever has ball in hand, can theoretically torture their opponent by playing a billion safes.
That type of thing appeals to me.
Why try to outplay your opponent, if you can break them psychologically, and have them beat themselves.
Whenever i am playing 9 ball and i have a guy on 2 fouls, i almost ALWAYS go for the 3 foul win because you'd be surprised how many people get furious at losing that way.
Just like you have your average players who get mad at you for playing safe and call you all sorts of foul things cause they think it's a sissy way to play and get mad cause you can run out, but choose not to.
Those are the guys you play safe on all day long, just to get them steamed. lol
If I was playing the ghost I would dart jump it. Match I would be waffling between the jump and three rail safety. But then again I suck.