How would you play this?
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I think that is my second choice. However, leaving the 7 near the pocket by the 8 doesn't really lend itself as a break out shot for when you get the table back. I would rather leave the 7 by the corner pocket near the cluster instead and leave the cue further down table.
I like hitting the 5 ball full with the CB, with just enough speed to freeze the CB to the 5, and drive the 13 barely to the rail. This will create a tiny bit of separation between the 5 and 13, for a later opportunity.
The opponent will probably try to kick safe at the 5, or maybe kick it in trying to squeeze it past the 8. In either case, I like my chances.
The opponent will probably try to kick safe at the 5, or maybe kick it in trying to squeeze it past the 8. In either case, I like my chances.
That's all I see.
I agree 100% with iusedtoberich, I want my opponent kicking at the 13 in the hopes he me leaves a way out or another good safe. Even if he takes a foul to tie the balls back up at least I have BIH to break out the 5 and pray for a shot.
I think I would clip the five and take the cueball underneath the 8; 13 comes about a diamond uptable. Not much he can do from there beyond a long rail kick and your balls will be open.
If at the table I was convinced the 5/13 would double kiss, then I'm overcutting the 7 and bringing the cue ball right back to about where it is now but a bit more towards the center of the table (you need to come far enough over to prevent him from shooting a rail first shot on the 13 off the footrail).
This with high left and try and hit them off the 2nd long rail
Afraid trying to go only 1 rail shot has to be hit to soft for a good breakout.
I'd probably just roll into the 7 full and let it bank back to block the 13. With luck, the cue ball will land on the rail, making it even harder. If he manages to hit the 13, he busts out the 5 and risks sinking the 8. If he gives me BIH but manages not to break up the 13/5, I can safety him to death.
I am shocked that this isn't unanimous.
Right side of the 7, play the cue ball two rails to the opposite end rail.
I am NOT worried about using the 7 to block the path of the 8 ball, nor whether it ends up as a good break ball should I get ball in hand.
I am NOT at all worried about 'what to do with ball in hand'.
I WOULD like to leave the 7 close to the corner pocket so it gives me more play should I get ball in hand or my opponent makes a legal kick/bunt.
I am very, very confident I can win with ball in hand. I could take BIH and put the cue ball right next to the five on the 8 ball side of it, then thin the 5 and go up table again, breaking it out, and leaving no hit on the 13, or no bank as the 5 blocks either the 13 or the bank. Or I could shoot a stop shot on the 5 leaving him dead frozen on the 13 (on top of it but without the ability to get to the side rail for a kick safe) with my balls hanging on different pockets. Or I could move the 7 ball somewhere else and dead hook him again to set up something better.
Bottom line, if you run this 100 times I am very, very confident I can win this game a good 95%+ of the time, even against Efren Reyes.
Anyone choosing to leave him close to the 13 where he can see the ball or putting your eggs in the basket of trying to get behind the 8 is taking a huge risk. If you leave me close I can maybe shoot a one pocket soft kick into the 13 and may hook you, or limit your options. And if you miss the hook on the 8 you lose.
The worst option in my opinion is risking moving the 5 ball now. I can assure you that you won't like it as much of the time. There is a built in margin of error in execution, and you open the doors to leaving a clear shot, and easy return safe, or a routine bank/kick.
I wish we were all in the same pool room so we could set this up and play it out different ways. I'll take creating 9 feet of distance (or 7 feet, are we on a bar box, that does make a difference although not in this case, it's so clear cut!) and run it all day long.
Right side of the 7, play the cue ball two rails to the opposite end rail.
I am NOT worried about using the 7 to block the path of the 8 ball, nor whether it ends up as a good break ball should I get ball in hand.
I am NOT at all worried about 'what to do with ball in hand'.
I WOULD like to leave the 7 close to the corner pocket so it gives me more play should I get ball in hand or my opponent makes a legal kick/bunt.
I am very, very confident I can win with ball in hand. I could take BIH and put the cue ball right next to the five on the 8 ball side of it, then thin the 5 and go up table again, breaking it out, and leaving no hit on the 13, or no bank as the 5 blocks either the 13 or the bank. Or I could shoot a stop shot on the 5 leaving him dead frozen on the 13 (on top of it but without the ability to get to the side rail for a kick safe) with my balls hanging on different pockets. Or I could move the 7 ball somewhere else and dead hook him again to set up something better.
Bottom line, if you run this 100 times I am very, very confident I can win this game a good 95%+ of the time, even against Efren Reyes.
Anyone choosing to leave him close to the 13 where he can see the ball or putting your eggs in the basket of trying to get behind the 8 is taking a huge risk. If you leave me close I can maybe shoot a one pocket soft kick into the 13 and may hook you, or limit your options. And if you miss the hook on the 8 you lose.
The worst option in my opinion is risking moving the 5 ball now. I can assure you that you won't like it as much of the time. There is a built in margin of error in execution, and you open the doors to leaving a clear shot, and easy return safe, or a routine bank/kick.
I wish we were all in the same pool room so we could set this up and play it out different ways. I'll take creating 9 feet of distance (or 7 feet, are we on a bar box, that does make a difference although not in this case, it's so clear cut!) and run it all day long.
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So you leave me uptable,7 is near your pocket I take the foul and either shoot the 8 onto the 7. Or pocket the 7 and move 8 to the bottom rail. Not so clear cut anymore.
A good kicker is likely to just go for it and kick the 13 in the lower left corner, too...and you risk a scratch in the side if you mishit the 7. That's why I like taking away that side of the 13 entirely, leave no shot, and force him to go to the head rail if he wants to do anything short of just handing me the cue ball.
Did this come up in a match somewhere? Curious how it turned out.
If you dont block the hole with the 7, I'm kicking the 13 in off the 5 past the 8 and you're giving me $100.
Jason
Since we are all talking "In a perfect world" here's mine.
a) Thin the 5 on the left to leave a CB/13/5 set up. Sure he can try and play me back a safe but he'd be putting the 13 even closer to the 5 making it far less impossible to make, now i can play the kick on the 7
b) Depending on how the 13/5 sits and with that 8 there I might just try to play it off the 13 maybe it hangs up now the 8 doesn't go.
c) Thin the 7 like everyone said playing to hang it, someone mentioned taking the foul well go ahead I know you won't like you leave when you come back to the table.
a) Thin the 5 on the left to leave a CB/13/5 set up. Sure he can try and play me back a safe but he'd be putting the 13 even closer to the 5 making it far less impossible to make, now i can play the kick on the 7
b) Depending on how the 13/5 sits and with that 8 there I might just try to play it off the 13 maybe it hangs up now the 8 doesn't go.
c) Thin the 7 like everyone said playing to hang it, someone mentioned taking the foul well go ahead I know you won't like you leave when you come back to the table.
Since we are all talking "In a perfect world" here's mine.
a) Thin the 5 on the left to leave a CB/13/5 set up. Sure he can try and play me back a safe but he'd be putting the 13 even closer to the 5 making it far less impossible to make, now i can play the kick on the 7
b) Depending on how the 13/5 sits and with that 8 there I might just try to play it off the 13 maybe it hangs up now the 8 doesn't gommnnjp[pollk jkkj
c) Thin the 7 like everyone said playing to hang it, someone mentioned taking the foul well go ahead I know you won't like you leave when you come back to the table.
a) Thin the 5 on the left to leave a CB/13/5 set up. Sure he can try and play me back a safe but he'd be putting the 13 even closer to the 5 making it far less impossible to make, now i can play the kick on the 7
b) Depending on how the 13/5 sits and with that 8 there I might just try to play it off the 13 maybe it hangs up now the 8 doesn't gommnnjp[pollk jkkj
c) Thin the 7 like everyone said playing to hang it, someone mentioned taking the foul well go ahead I know you won't like you leave when you come back to the table.
Thanks Tate for posting the picture and rest for contributing your thoughts.
This was a real world scenario i came across last week.
I had two options in mind as most of you pointed out.
1. Attack - Pot the 7 with inside english and try to open up 5. If i don't get a shot on 5 play some kind of safety. It was a risky proposition.
2. Defence - Play 7 with outside english and leave cue ball somewhere around headstring.
In the end i decided for option 1:
A) I was afraid my opponent might be able to kick and leave me in worse situation.
B) i might scratch in side pocket attempting 2. (Pressure!)
End result - I missed the 7 (perhaps i was more focused on which side cue ball going to hit on 5 rather than focusing on pot), cue ball went into 14 sinking it in top left pocket. Cue ball stayed behind 5 and my opponent was hooked behind 5 real bad. He had no shot on 8 ball, i got ball in hand and cleaned up. What a brutal luck
In the hindsight perhaps i should have gone for option 2.
This was a real world scenario i came across last week.
I had two options in mind as most of you pointed out.
1. Attack - Pot the 7 with inside english and try to open up 5. If i don't get a shot on 5 play some kind of safety. It was a risky proposition.
2. Defence - Play 7 with outside english and leave cue ball somewhere around headstring.
In the end i decided for option 1:
A) I was afraid my opponent might be able to kick and leave me in worse situation.
B) i might scratch in side pocket attempting 2. (Pressure!)
End result - I missed the 7 (perhaps i was more focused on which side cue ball going to hit on 5 rather than focusing on pot), cue ball went into 14 sinking it in top left pocket. Cue ball stayed behind 5 and my opponent was hooked behind 5 real bad. He had no shot on 8 ball, i got ball in hand and cleaned up. What a brutal luck
In the hindsight perhaps i should have gone for option 2.
First of all, if I shoot the 7 with the right thickness it is going two rails towards the 8, likely to be a tough ball to shoot in from the opposite end rail when it is near the bottom rail and may be blocked. But even if you do, I will gladly play with ball in hand without the 7, I will do what I said and put the cueball near the 5 on the rail, thin the 5, and play the cueball back to the headrail with the 5 covering the hit and the bank. I will win this almost every time, save for the times you kick to the side rail and slice the 13 in. If you tie up the 7/8 I have ball in hand to open them up and freeze you to the back of the 8 some which way where I will get ball in hand again and you'll have a hard time doing anything to deteriorate my position (no, I won't leave a 1 rail short rail kick at the 13 either, I'd create distance again and test your ability to consistently tie up two balls lagging on a bar box from 7 feet away).
As for the 13 being dead off the 5, all that would change is that I'd try to play the 7 ball to the end rail blocking the kick and not putting quite as much emphasis on cueball only as I would if it wasn't dead.
We don't all have to agree, but I'm absolutely sure of myself on this one and would gladly play this all day long for the cash against anyone doing something else.
The one thing I'll say is that different people have different skill sets, if someone feels super confident about one option and hesitant about another then go with what you're comfortable with. In the end it's a totally winning situation as long as you don't give up a routine shot (including the carom) or a routine lag safety. I happen to like distance, but each to their own.
Maybe I play too much 1P but I see a very standard bank across the 7 to position it for an easy breakout while hiding the cue ball behind the 8.
From my perspective, going up table off of the 7 would be a very heavy hit on the 7 risking the 7 hitting the 8 and one of them heading toward the 13/5 cluster.
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From my perspective, going up table off of the 7 would be a very heavy hit on the 7 risking the 7 hitting the 8 and one of them heading toward the 13/5 cluster.
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