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If the 6 was frozen and the cue was a little farther off the rails, I'd use inside follow to pocket the 6 and return the cue ball roughly to where it is.skins said:if it were for the match?...
Jude Rosenstock said:I really like all the suggestions but the one that stands out is the rail-first play. If I know I can clip that ball, that's what I'm gonna do. If I feel that side-pocket is making me compensate too much, I'm going with Skin's (and Jewitt's) safety. Even if I catch that double-kiss, I'm likely leaving a bank and that 9-ball could still play as a blocker.
skins said:in my thinking the rail first option would have given the cue ball more opportunity to "fly" out of line. my choice was based on a more simple reaction the balls would make based on whether my speed control was executed. speed control is always one of the most major keys to this game once you can make balls.
skins said:here is what i played and it won me the tournament. i hid the six behind the high side of the nine and locked up the cue behind the low side of the eight
Island Drive said:The chances of controlling all three aspects of this shot, especially "locking up your opponent on the 8 are minimal. The angle your coming in at with the cue ball poses a high risk for a double kiss and that may be the best shot to actually try because you could end up with cue ball travel like you showed by beating the dbl kiss. Going to the rail first exposes you to losing control of the shot. One could also bump the 6 to the end rail and leave the cue on the r/s long rail. This is definitely not an offensive shot.
skins said:i can do this shot and hide both balls about 95% of the time on any table i'm playing on for a while let's say like in the mid to later rounds of a tourney. the the six wasn't frozen. it was about 1/2 inches off the rail. this gave me plenty of room to avoid the kiss. the cue wasn't frozen to the eight either. it was just very close and same with the six by the nine. i took this shot becuse i knew my chances of executing it were very good.
TATE said:Good shooting Skins. Most people would lose from this position because all the shots and safeties are difficult to execute. FYI I would have made the 6 (slow roll) and either safed the seven or banked it, depending on the table.
skins said:i can do this shot and hide both balls about 95% of the time on any table i'm playing on for a while let's say like in the mid to later rounds of a tourney. the the six wasn't frozen. it was about 1/2 inches off the rail. this gave me plenty of room to avoid the kiss. the cue wasn't frozen to the eight either. it was just very close and same with the six by the nine. i took this shot becuse i knew my chances of executing it were very good.
cuetechasaurus said:The shot in the diagram looks impossible, even if the ball is slightly off the rail. Can you touch it up and show the path the cueball takes? Because unless you get some double kiss, the cueball is not gonna deflect that far into the middle of the end rail, with both balls positioned the way they are. It would require a very thick hit to even get that tangent line, but you have follow on the ball and you are still gonna roll towards the 2nd diamond at the farthest. How can you spin behind the 8? And if I set this shot up exactly as diagrammed on a table, and let you warm up on it for a while, and gave you 100 tries, do you really think you could do it at least 95 times? I don't think so.
cuetechasaurus said:And if I set this shot up exactly as diagrammed on a table, and let you warm up on it for a while, and gave you 100 tries, do you really think you could do it at least 95 times? I don't think so.
xianmacx said:With as many A players that seem to be on this board...Im suprised no one suggested jack up and draw your ball.
I mostly agree, especially since the cue ball is an inch from the end rail. There are a few players who can make a shot like that reasonably often (Larry Nevel?), but not on tight equipment on the first try. If you manage to get the right draw distance, and the six doesn't hang, a miss might come out safe. To me the only thing to recommend the shot is the psychological factor. If I make it, my opponent is crushed, and if I miss it, he thinks I'm insane. It's also a reasonable shot for an A player against a D.skins said:(about the straight draw shot) .... that is a very very low percentage shot and attempting that shot in this situation would be suicide imo. ...