I apoligize

Grady

Pro Player
I'm sorry for the way I've behaved the lasr few days. I promise I'm done with name calling, etc. I even apologize to JAM and Keith.
I've always hated drugs and drug dealers. They're the real scumbags. Some of my friends killed themselves while others left far too soon because of drugs and alcohol. I also see some players who are going to depart way before they should.
When I see guys who are funny or talented while stoned I don't find it even slightly amusing. It's tragic, is what it is.
I'm gonna' start over new today, in my dealings with substance abused players. But I won't have business dealings with them or loan/give them money.
Over the years I really have tried to help quite a few men get straight. But as I look back none of them ever quit the stuff. Not even one. So I guess I'll mind my own business, which is awfully hard to do because I have to watch them kill themselves,
 
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You are right, MR. you can't help someone who won't help him/herself. It is honorable to want to do so, but, as you know, it can lead to much frustration to all involved.
And, we all have days when we aren't as tolerant as others.
You have done lots for the pool world and I hope those affected or offended in the days you reference will find the spirit to return to a cordial state.
You are a man, Grady!
 
vagabond said:
Hello,
Which thread Grady is refering to where he was not kind to others?
Vagabond
If you are a glutton for punishment, here it is. I found it a bit depressing, but like history, it should be learned from, not hidden away.

Tracy
 
RSB-Refugee said:
If you are a glutton for punishment, here it is. I found it a bit depressing, but like history, it should be learned from, not hidden away.

Tracy

Thank u Tracy.I read it.All these days I did not know that Grady and Bob Ogburn had Physical altercation.All the other stuff Grady is talking about,I heard it before.
Vagabond
 
When someone is labled a "___", the label cannot be all inclusive. No one is only ONE thing. Now someone may act in a certain way quite often, but does that make him just a "____?" No, I don't think so. There's more to individuals than that.

This is also why language/thinking is important. A better way of saying it would be, "So-n-so _______s to the point where it negatively affects his behavior and those around him." That would be more accurate and has helped me, as DM suggested, to not bang my head against an unmovable wall when dealing with such people (myself included, btw).

I've mentioned this book before, but this is where I got this valuable concept:

The new Guide to Rational Living by Albert Ellis and Robert Harper.

Hope it helps,

Jeff Livingston
 
Grady

It is a bitch when you tell it like it is.No need to apoligise.at least thats what some guy about 5'tall from Danville would say!
 
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You are human ...

and so are we all. Sometimes we get 'caught up' in something, that we
later regret after reflecting on it as a whole. Your recognition of that
says a lot about you.

Since that is over ... apologize is spelled with 2 o's and a 'z' Guys ....
and NO, I am not anal retentive .... Lol
 
Be willing to help them help themselves but do nothing they should do for themselves.

Take them to a meeting or to a treatment center and that's all.

If you make it easier they won't learn that using makes their life miserable and that's the only piece of knowledge that will provde the consuming desire to be straight today. The addict must get to the point where they know in every cell of their body that using will make things worse and being straight is the easier softer way.

Trying to help a loved one who is addicted is heart breaking and emotional outbursts are part of the territory of total and utter frustration coupled with heartbreak.

So, Grady what ever you said/did you did the only thing a good man can do when you stood up and said "I was wrong and I'm sorry".
 
blud said:
Grady, I didn't read what was written and do not intend too.I know who you are.
No need for you to apoligize to anyone. Many times we both have caught crap from those who only stir to be stiring, and do nothing for our great sport. Some just want to stir the pot and piss us off. That type like to see there names in print.
blud

He did need to apologize-He was dead out of line.

I guess you think Grady is infallible but he is not.

Who is "us" by the way?
 
who'd a thunk

In a forum revolving around a sport that is widely known for its "hustlers" and their ability manipulate a situation to their advantage using deceit and or disguise, someone who comes out and says what he honestly thinks and believes is being crucified. I have heard worse things said face to face in woof sessions at many tournaments and pool rooms I have been. Ironically, whether he was right or wrong has not really been brought up for debate. No poster on this board has said one thing to contradict the truth to his statements. It seems to me he was being chastised more for how he said what he said than the content of his statements. If I am wrong you can break my thumbs. :confused:
 
Snapshot9 said:
Since that is over ... apologize is spelled with 2 o's and a 'z' Guys ....and NO, I am not anal retentive .... Lol

Actually, the word "apologise" is also found in the dictionary. In America, however, the common spelling is with a "z" as the second to last letter.
 
Although I was not involved in the exchange in any way, I appreciate and admire your maturity in stepping up to the plate to help make things right. I think apologizing is the right thing to do not just for others whom one may have offended (and I do mean one and not Grady in particular because I am speaking now about the general case), but also and perhaps even most especially for one's own self-respect and well-being. I hope you can carry the spirit that moved you to right things more than the negative stuff from here on out. It makes living a hell of a lot easier.
 
I dont feel he needed to make any appologizes...but he is a stand up guy and did what he thought was right. Its not like any of us hasnt been outta line with or withour the truth behind us...is it?
 
I don't see what Grady said was so wrong. I didn't take it that he was putting anyone down when he said they shot better before they became a drunk or before someone went to jail as compared to how they shot when they were released.

To me that is like someone saying that I shot better before I got old and needed glasses. It's no big deal. Just a description of my pool shooting abilities, or in my case inabilities.
 
Grady said:
I'm sorry for the way I've behaved the lasr few days. I promise I'm done with name calling, etc. I even apologize to JAM and Keith.
I've always hated drugs and drug dealers. They're the real scumbags. Some of my friends killed themselves while others left far too soon because of drugs and alcohol. I also see some players who are going to depart way before they should.
When I see guys who are funny or talented while stoned I don't find it even slightly amusing. It's tragic, is what it is.
I'm gonna' start over new today, in my dealings with substance abused players. But I won't have business dealings with them or loan/give them money.
Over the years I really have tried to help quite a few men get straight. But as I look back none of them ever quit the stuff. Not even one. So I guess I'll mind my own business, which is awfully hard to do because I have to watch them kill themselves,

Takes a real man to appologize weather right or wrong in any situation.I found the Lord is the best help when dealing with friends and we do learn by example.Good example Grady
 
Darn, I was ready to order the Grady vs Keith cage match on pay per view.

Oh well.
 
Nothing to apolgize for

Grady said:
I'm sorry for the way I've behaved the lasr few days. I promise I'm done with name calling, etc. I even apologize to JAM and Keith.
I've always hated drugs and drug dealers. They're the real scumbags. Some of my friends killed themselves while others left far too soon because of drugs and alcohol. I also see some players who are going to depart way before they should.
When I see guys who are funny or talented while stoned I don't find it even slightly amusing. It's tragic, is what it is.
I'm gonna' start over new today, in my dealings with substance abused players. But I won't have business dealings with them or loan/give them money.
Over the years I really have tried to help quite a few men get straight. But as I look back none of them ever quit the stuff. Not even one. So I guess I'll mind my own business, which is awfully hard to do because I have to watch them kill themselves,

I just went and read the entire thread from which this all transpired, and I don't think you have a thing to apologize for. I can't comment on Larry. I never knew him and only met him once or twice. But if he was a drunk, and it seems pretty clear that is what he became, then it isn't out of line to say he was. I didn't read it as a criticism; it was an observation.

As for Johnny Ervolino, I knew Johnny very well. He was a friend. I also spent considerable time with you, Johnny and Ted Blutter. What the folks here on this board don't know is, you and Johnny were friends, and you were never, ever disparaging of Johnny. On the contrary! I also recall several dinners with you, Ted and I where you were completely complimentary toward Johnny, and spoke at length about his talent (pre-jail). I never heard you say one bad thing about Johnny, other than his dancing away from people he owed money to. But even then it was all spoken in fun, and Johnny, more often than not was laughing and ad libbing to the stories. That Johnny when to jail was no secret to anyone, so to say he was a better before going to jail was simply stating a fact. Hell, Johnny himself told me that plenty of times. So how could anyone construe that as a cheap shot or even criticism? Again, it was nothing more than stating the obvious.

I know you also knew my great friend George Makula. George was a fantastic pool talent, and one of the best straight pool players I ever saw. But George was also a drunk, and indeed he finally drank himself to death in his mid 50's. Is it wrong to say he was a drunk? I like to remember him for his warmth and humor and fantastic skill, but there is no denying the man squandered an enormous gift with alcohol.

I should also like to point out, the times we went to dinner with Johnny or George, you never let them pay the bill. You paid for them every time. Those who are criticizing you here should know that. They should also know, everytime you came to NYC, you'd play the best players at their game, on their table. And I'm talking Johnny E. at one pocket (spotting the break and a ball), Tony Robles at 9-ball, Jack Colavita in Elizabeth at straight pool, and Frankie Hernandez, giving him the 7! You talk about a tough way to make a living!

You have a wonderful heart, Grady, and a grand respect for the game. You don't deserve the criticism I've read on this board. The people who've fired criticism either don't know you, nor your relationships and treatment of the players you mentioned, and therefore don't have a clue what they are talking about, or they are simply deadbeat dartthrowers who have nothing better to do than attack one of the true gentlemen of the game.

Best of luck to you in Orlando!
 
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