i got a question for all you apa bashers
- Thread starter lorider
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APA handicaps are the easiest manipulated out of any league, that's the main reason most don't prefer it.
What he said...........
No point in creating another thread is there? Why not just get your point across here?
No doubt, he just started one...
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Man,,,if you think we expect perfection then you're not paying attention. The three main reasons everybody (or most everybody) is so down on apa is the horrible handicap system, the horrible league operators and the horrible response you get when you complain to the corporate office when these operators screw your team over.
a few examples.
league operator raised two of our players at the beginning of cities after both (now get this) had lost all their matches for three weeks in a row. This made it impossible for me to play (I'm a 7 and a 9)
Our operator has two favorite team that magically always go to vegas (two of their players are as good as I am at 9 ball and both are 7.
My answer to all of this was to start an in house league in both the rooms that had apa and now there is no more apa in my city.
PM if you are interested in starting an in house league in your pool room.
I run a 100% pay back money league than has 8 team (the most I allow) in two places and they are a huge success...
Man,,,if you think we expect perfection then you're not paying attention. The three main reasons everybody (or most everybody) is so down on apa is the horrible handicap system, the horrible league operators and the horrible response you get when you complain to the corporate office when these operators screw your team over.
a few examples.
league operator raised two of our players at the beginning of cities after both (now get this) had lost all their matches for three weeks in a row. This made it impossible for me to play (I'm a 7 and a 9)
Our operator has two favorite team that magically always go to vegas (two of their players are as good as I am at 9 ball and both are 7.
My answer to all of this was to start an in house league in both the rooms that had apa and now there is no more apa in my city.
PM if you are interested in starting an in house league in your pool room.
I run a 100% pay back money league than has 8 team (the most I allow) in two places and they are a huge success...
well i started this thread to prove a point. the subject of handicaps really has nothing to do with the point i am trying to make.
i don;t want to get this thread sidetracked just talking about handicapping but here goes ...just for your pleasure.
the apa has put guidlines in place to prevent sandbagging but as you know when there is a will to circumvent rules for your benefit people will find them.
i was playing in a bcapl format money league and never saw so much sandbagging in my life. granted it was not bcapl sanctioned but it did use the bcapl handicapping formula. there are no checks and balances in place to prevent sandbagging using that formula.
In NYC, I have to say, the APA is saturated with people who are specifically interested in APA-pool yet not pool. They go from bar to bar with aspirations limited to APA events and become handicap-obsessed. I'm not going to go down the road of saying people are manipulating their handicaps. Maybe they are, maybe not. I will say, they limit their understanding of pool and their growth as players.
BCA players in NYC are poolroom-based. Although some have modest expectations of what they hope to achieve, many are looking to improve their games to expert levels. They play 9ball, 8ball, 14.1, 1-hole. They play in leagues, tournaments. They routinely travel. There's also greater interest in appropriate pay-out structures and profit margins.
BCA players in NYC are poolroom-based. Although some have modest expectations of what they hope to achieve, many are looking to improve their games to expert levels. They play 9ball, 8ball, 14.1, 1-hole. They play in leagues, tournaments. They routinely travel. There's also greater interest in appropriate pay-out structures and profit margins.
You mean no checks and balances if it's not sanctioned, RIGHT ?
Quote by Lorider
"well i started this thread to prove a point. the subject of handicaps really has nothing to do with the point i am trying to make.
i don;t want to get this thread sidetracked just talking about handicapping but here goes ...just for your pleasure.
the apa has put guidlines in place to prevent sandbagging but as you know when there is a will to circumvent rules for your benefit people will find them.
i was playing in a bcapl format money league and never saw so much sandbagging in my life. granted it was not bcapl sanctioned but it did use the bcapl handicapping formula. there are no checks and balances in place to prevent sandbagging using that formula."
Quote by Lorider
"well i started this thread to prove a point. the subject of handicaps really has nothing to do with the point i am trying to make.
i don;t want to get this thread sidetracked just talking about handicapping but here goes ...just for your pleasure.
the apa has put guidlines in place to prevent sandbagging but as you know when there is a will to circumvent rules for your benefit people will find them.
i was playing in a bcapl format money league and never saw so much sandbagging in my life. granted it was not bcapl sanctioned but it did use the bcapl handicapping formula. there are no checks and balances in place to prevent sandbagging using that formula."
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the same can be said here about apa players. i know many "myself included" who play not only apa,but napa, in house money leagues " both on bar tables and 9's' and local tournaments as well.
there is no bcapl here due to the lo not having the money at the end of the year to send a team to nationals, this happened several years ago.
I don't like the APA because I don't like the rules. I also don't like many of the people that are in the APA because they just want to win instead of play well and are generally clueless about any type of pool existence outside of bar playing. They get amazed that people try different shafts and tips and actually know the difference. Oh BOB, HE DID NOT MARK HIS POCKET!!!! Well yea the 8 ball was in the jaws. SO WHAT! U LOOOSEEE! HEHEHE!!! BOB, gimme another beer so I can stumble around the tables more.
Plus it's based on so much bar playing, many people that play APA hardly know the real rules to begin with which ends up them playing a mix of APA and made up bar rules when they play outside of league. And that drives real players batty.
what i mean if they use the bcapl format . we have no bcapl league here in town.read the above post to see why there is no bcapl league here.
Just curious, are your players better than the other players? Your 5's better than the other 5's, your 3's better than the other 3's, and those other 2 players you mention, they could really play you even and expect to win?
and these teams that magically go to Las Vegas, did they win their spot to go, or did the LO create open at-large spots and just sent them instead of having them win their board?
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One other reason people do not play APA is that they do not truly want real pool players. If you are there to play well and better your game then you will be out of the league soon. The 23 handicap starts to eliminate good players as they have to have terrible players around them just to play (for all 6 or 7's in 8-ball and 8-9's in 9-ball). It is a joke. It is best to play in BCA or others than it is to play in APA. It really is terrible how better players are treated.
the same can be said for bcapl. as mark griffin stated on here one time. A BCAPL LO CAN RUN HIS LEAGUE UNDER ANY FORMAT AND RULES HE WISHES AS LONG AS THE DUES ARE PAID.
what that tells me is just because you play by one set of rules in your county don't mean the next county over plays by the same set of rules.
That is not a BCAPL league, that is just a local money league. You need to find a higher class of players to hang around with. It's like having a gang of car thieves use the same money counters that a bank uses. Does that mean your bank tellers will pull a gun on you if you are late on a payment or want to take out too much money?
I play in a real BCAPL league and don't see any sandbagging in my area, the top players are the top players and are ranked as such. I see how they play in the league and outside, and the abilities match the play. At most I see new players not say much about how good they are till their handicap goes up, but if people know them, they get manually adjusted to a rough rating.
New players start at 50 (on a 30-125 scale), if it's a known B player, they play as a 75 no matter what the paper states from the computer. Does the APA adjust ratings that way or allow it to be done locally?
My point was there ought to be the checks and balances you speak of if a league is sanctioned. You said with the bcapl
format there were none, but you also said the league you spoke of that used the bcapl format was not sanctioned.
Yes, yes we will. And I'm only a part-time pool player (about 2 times a week) but I feel like I complain like a full time player
My favorite topic to complain about is table setup and quality. I absolutely have having a nicely hit shot go bad because the cueball rolls sideways at a 90% angle after it's almost stopped to hook you or the rails do something funny.