I was watching the tar podcast with Johnny and Francisco last night and of course they are talking about Johnny running 15 racks on him gambling. Here is the kicker, they ask Francisco what his high run is and he says 7!!!! Wow this is unbelievable to me. He has possibly the biggest break in 9 ball history and nobody would gamble him even, sans Johnny. Then you hear stories of other great players like Neils running 16. Am I the only one surprised by this? Also if you know these top players high rack runs please share. I also heard Shane say his in 9 ball was 6, but in the same podcast he says he's run 13 racks of 10 ball on a regulation diamond!!
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Shit, that is nothing.
Did you know Jupiter is more than twice the size of all our other planets combined?!
It also has 63 moons.
Did you know Jupiter is more than twice the size of all our other planets combined?!
It also has 63 moons.
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Whenever I hear about self-proclaimed "records" I tend to take them with a grain of salt (otherwise they're a bit difficult to swallow for me).
If I understand Black-Balled's post correctly, he too thinks these different "runs" are all merely relative.
In other words, "I will never make it to Jupiter, so its size and number of moons don't affect me much"
(All Astrophysics, namely how heavenly bodies affect each other, notwithstanding).
Did I catch the correct implication there, Black-Balled?
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We had several guys on here no one ever heard of claiming 8' 9' and 10's-Does seem crazy-who knows?!
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Here's the thing I've seen people put 12 or 13 together on a bar table. I was surprised Francisco's run was not much higher
About 15% of Azers are at 7 or better!
http://forums.azbilliards.com/poll.php?do=showresults&pollid=2609
it's harder than you may think to run over 7.....
When I played Francisco he ran 7 and I ran 6 during the course of the match in Chicago. We played a lot during those years, he certainly ran a lot of racks, but it's harder than you may think to run over 7......I've only done it a handful of times, once against Keith McCready, and I know he's done it to several players in his career.
When I played Francisco he ran 7 and I ran 6 during the course of the match in Chicago. We played a lot during those years, he certainly ran a lot of racks, but it's harder than you may think to run over 7......I've only done it a handful of times, once against Keith McCready, and I know he's done it to several players in his career.
Francisco is a great player, one of the greatest, probably capable of running multiple hundreds of balls in straight pool. I'm sure he has. Why? Because in that game he is the artist, the one developing and choosing patterns from the random layout of the balls. Rack after rack massaging and nudging the layout skillfully to allow continued runs. His skills are exemplified and executed.
Asking a great player how many racks they can run in nine ball (IMO) is like asking how many times can you flip heads rather than tails with a quarter.
Way too much luck to take away any playing skill level from the answer, one way or the other. Smashing 9 balls to hell and back rack after rack. What the hell is the difference what the answer is? All it tells is how many lucky ball positions you end up with in a row smash after smash.
I still, after 50+ years of loving pool, don't understand how the masses choose this ridiculous game as its cornerstone and gauge playing skill from it. Baffling to me.
Asking a great player how many racks they can run in nine ball (IMO) is like asking how many times can you flip heads rather than tails with a quarter.
Way too much luck to take away any playing skill level from the answer, one way or the other. Smashing 9 balls to hell and back rack after rack. What the hell is the difference what the answer is? All it tells is how many lucky ball positions you end up with in a row smash after smash.
I still, after 50+ years of loving pool, don't understand how the masses choose this ridiculous game as its cornerstone and gauge playing skill from it. Baffling to me.
why are you so surprised. You must be like alot of others who think the pros run big packages every day. That just does not happen. A 7 pack is huge. GO shoot pool for 10 year and see if you sever get close.
And we all know that th majority of pro match ups are in tournaments, a medium which punishes one for taking risk.
If you wanna win a tournament, you can't go for the runout everytime.
If you wanna win a tournament, you can't go for the runout everytime.
Hell, 7 racks is quite impressive, I think I've taken more poops in a day than I've ran consecutive racks....
Thanks for the negative reply. FYI most top pros like souquet, Sigel, Buddy Hall, Larry Nevel, Luther Lassiter, Neils, Varner, etc have run at least 10. This is not common place and no I'm not "one of the masses" and I do have a pretty strong knowledge of the game and its history. From your avatar I can tell your hero is Francisco and I'm a fan too. I am surprised a player of his talent and ability has not topped them all.
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The catch actually comes down to that "big break" you mentioned.
Francisco tries to kill the balls. It's not the right way to break 9 ball.
When you hit the head ball that hard, it's almost 100% random where it's going to end up.
Eventually you will get hooked, or have a full table bank or something. That's assuming
you make a ball, which isn't guaranteed just because you hit 30 mph.
Busty played in an era where they weren't that obsessive about checking the rack,
they had no magic rack or delta, and he played in a country where the equipment is often a bit rough.
If he could play on perfect equipment with perfect racks, and tried to tone down his break
to control the 1 ball, I'm sure he has the skill to put down a 15 pack.
Shane only running six sounds crazy because he DOES study the rack and knows
how to break both hard and soft. Maybe he just devotes all his time to playing ten ball.
Francisco tries to kill the balls. It's not the right way to break 9 ball.
When you hit the head ball that hard, it's almost 100% random where it's going to end up.
Eventually you will get hooked, or have a full table bank or something. That's assuming
you make a ball, which isn't guaranteed just because you hit 30 mph.
Busty played in an era where they weren't that obsessive about checking the rack,
they had no magic rack or delta, and he played in a country where the equipment is often a bit rough.
If he could play on perfect equipment with perfect racks, and tried to tone down his break
to control the 1 ball, I'm sure he has the skill to put down a 15 pack.
Shane only running six sounds crazy because he DOES study the rack and knows
how to break both hard and soft. Maybe he just devotes all his time to playing ten ball.
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I broke and ran 7 on a Gold Crown with 4 3/4 inch corner pockets , playing for 10 bucks spotting the 7+8. 2 years ago, I was working on all my weaknesses and my break was working beautifully. I couldnt touch that game without working 20 hours a week to maintain it.
Busty having only 7 is crazy. Any pro at his level not having double digits is hard to believe. Alot has to go right to make a ball, have a shot and no horrible tied up balls.
Actually he is not my hero, I have been lucky enough to be around many of the pinoys over the years. Fransisco is a great person to be around.
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Hohmann has 16 or 17 in 9 ball. I don't remember exactly. 404 in straight pool.