I love my ob1

PoolSharkAllen said:
I haven't heard this before. Are you saying that if you play with a 314-2, that depending on which way the shaft is rotated, that the hit will be different? :eek: Can you prove that the shaft rotation makes a significant difference?
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Ok here is the deal on the question you asked about. Wood isn't perfect, it never has been because it is a living organism.

When we use it to make shafts each shaft has a spine in it, meaning that if you turn the cue in your hand there will be more or less deflection than the last position you had it in your hand.

Ask cue makers they can tell you about this.

So started the hype behind predator. They cut the wood into pie shape pieces and glue them together in an effort to relieve the spine and therefore be more consistent no matter what position you have the cue in your hand.

Then came along laminated shafts like the T3 and Meucci. They are just strips of laminate glued together. However if the strips are vertical facing there will be a different amount of deflection than if the strips are horizontal facing.

This is why Meucci started putting dots on the shaft. The idea is that if you always put the dot on the top of the cue when you are stroking then you always have the same amount of deflection. (Makes since to me, if you always have the shaft in your hands the same way, and it isn't rotated, then it should hit the same every time.)

Then came along all these other shafts trying to figure out how to make the shaft have less deflection, and be more radial all the way around for the same type of hit.

I think that the OB-1 does this the best of any shaft out there. I think they are more likely to have no spine, and play more consistent no matter how you have the shaft rotated in your hand.

That is the whole reason I bought two OB-1 shafts, and that is why I use them. I didn't buy it for the deflection factor. I bought it for the consistency factor. The deflection rating is just a plus in my opinion.
 
Very well thought out, and very well put. It seems that man people are standing behind the OB-1 nowadays! Note the multitude of other threads on the matter.

-yow!
 
Yea, they are really taking off in popularity. I think Royce will probably be swamped with orders shortly! LOL Although they turned my shafts out in a very reasonable amount of time.
 
Very well said. Some greenies your way.

txplshrk said:
Ok here is the deal on the question you asked about. Wood isn't perfect, it never has been because it is a living organism.

When we use it to make shafts each shaft has a spine in it, meaning that if you turn the cue in your hand there will be more or less deflection than the last position you had it in your hand.

Ask cue makers they can tell you about this.

So started the hype behind predator. They cut the wood into pie shape pieces and glue them together in an effort to relieve the spine and therefore be more consistent no matter what position you have the cue in your hand.

Then came along laminated shafts like the T3 and Meucci. They are just strips of laminate glued together. However if the strips are vertical facing there will be a different amount of deflection than if the strips are horizontal facing.

This is why Meucci started putting dots on the shaft. The idea is that if you always put the dot on the top of the cue when you are stroking then you always have the same amount of deflection. (Makes since to me, if you always have the shaft in your hands the same way, and it isn't rotated, then it should hit the same every time.)

Then came along all these other shafts trying to figure out how to make the shaft have less deflection, and be more radial all the way around for the same type of hit.

I think that the OB-1 does this the best of any shaft out there. I think they are more likely to have no spine, and play more consistent no matter how you have the shaft rotated in your hand.

That is the whole reason I bought two OB-1 shafts, and that is why I use them. I didn't buy it for the deflection factor. I bought it for the consistency factor. The deflection rating is just a plus in my opinion.
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BlowFish said:
Very well said. Some greenies your way.
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Thanks, I was hoping that I wouldn't mess that explination up too bad!!!! LOL

I think predators are good shafts and good technology, I just think that the OB-1's are even better. That is just my opinion though. I know everyone in here doesn't drive a Chevy either! LOL

So I guess all it all it comes down to what feels comfortable to you! Funny how that always happens isn't it?
 
CaptiveBred said:
However, does OB-1 give anything back to the game? I really try to keep my money in the pockets of those who give back to pool.
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In addition to the other areas that others have mentioned that OB-1 gives back to pool, I know that they have made shaft donations and added money to The Hunter Classics Amateur Women's Tour, I think every tour stop they had last year. The OB-1 folks are all about the pool, and definitely "give back" to the game.
 
My .02

Just wanted to throw in another kudo for OB-1 shafts. I sold my Schon and bought a McDaniel. The guys at OB were nice enough to retap it to fit the McD 5/16x14 H3 pin. Both McD shafts have never been shot with because I love the OB so much. :)

p.s. I've had many transactions with Joe Nielsen and I have to agree that he has been consistantly on point. That guy rocks!
 
CaptiveBred said:
BTW, I am glad to see a plug for Joe Nielson. I have spent hundreds with him on balls and simonis over the last 5 years or so. I don't think I have ever heard a bad thing about him. I once had an item missing from my order and he gave me his cell number to work it out. I called him when he was at a restaurant with his ol lady when I called and he took 20 minutes to get the problem fixed. I hope he does well... he deserves it... Low prices, quality product, fast shipping, and great customer service...
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You man the Joe Nielson of Nielson Billiards
http://stores.ebay.com/Nielsens-Billiards_W0QQcolZ2QQdirZ1QQfsubZ0QQftidZ2QQpZ3QQtZkm
??????

I've never seen so many different colored chalks ANYWHERE.

He also has the rare, Willard Dime Radius Tip Shaper and at a bargain price of $5.95 along with over 1000 other hard to find items. If I don't locate mine, I will have to order one.

JoeyA
 
I've been giving thought to putting an OB-1 shaft on my Zac and I think this thread did it. The 314 I have on my Lucasi hits just fine, but the response to the OB-1 over the last year or so have been insanely positive - I have to try one.
 
Cuaba said:
I hit with an ob1 at Valley Forge last year. That cue played great.
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Well.... that doesn't constitute the "independent testing" I had in mind but coming from you it's an important recommendation... imo. Thanks Bud!!
 
Well platinum billiards has it on their list of shafts and how much deflection it has.

It doesn't rate as high as the predators (supposedly), but I think as far as radial construction it is far superior to the predator.
 
txplshrk said:
Well platinum billiards has it on their list of shafts and how much deflection it has.

It doesn't rate as high as the predators (supposedly), but I think as far as radial construction it is far superior to the predator.
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Going there now. Thanks, :D
 
I'm glad this thread has stirred up this much discussion. I just really like mine and am confident that others will too. Just don't try to jump with one. ;)

-yoweezy!
 
ericyow said:
I'm glad this thread has stirred up this much discussion. I just really like mine and am confident that others will too. Just don't try to jump with one. ;)

-yoweezy!
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Incase you weren't aware, I have voiced heavy confusion in other related threads over what kind of shaft I should get as I look to replace my current one. After reading a truck load of hype about the OB-1, I contemplated making it my next purchase, but after reading a previous poster state that it was rated by Platinum Billiards as having more deflection than Predator shafts, I grew weary. Now here is my homeboy Yow, telling me not to jump with an OB-1, and again I am troubled.

I like full-cue jumping, and am rather good at it. There are a few tournaments in my area that do not allow jump cues, so I feel like I have an advantage over many people because I can still clear balls and be rather accurate with my Viking. This being said, why oh why, Mr. Yow, should I avoid jumping with an OB-1 shaft?

Furthermore, can someone please just buy me a 314-2 shaft and an OB-1 so I can try them both?!?! :D
 
9BallMarksman said:
Incase you weren't aware, I have voiced heavy confusion in other related threads over what kind of shaft I should get as I look to replace my current one. After reading a truck load of hype about the OB-1, I contemplated making it my next purchase, but after reading a previous poster state that it was rated by Platinum Billiards as having more deflection than Predator shafts, I grew weary.
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I wouldn't worry about the Platinum thing. I tested one in Vegas, and I can say it is very low deflection. I believe it has a pivot point at or behind the joint. Whether it squirts more or less than the predator is not that important, imo. It's like asking if you're safer driving with your seat belt above or below your belly button. There's an answer to that question, but the important point regarding your safety is that you're wearing a seat belt. So if you want a low-squirt shaft, the OB-1 is one, imo.

9BallMarksman said:
Now here is my homeboy Yow, telling me not to jump with an OB-1, and again I am troubled.I like full-cue jumping, and am rather good at it. There are a few tournaments in my area that do not allow jump cues, so I feel like I have an advantage over many people because I can still clear balls and be rather accurate with my Viking. This being said, why oh why, Mr. Yow, should I avoid jumping with an OB-1 shaft?
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[...]
Ask him to find me an acre of land,
Parsley, sage, rosemary and thyme,
Between the salt water and the sea-strand,
For then he'll be a true love of mine.

Ask him to plough it with a lamb's horn,
Parsley, sage, rosemary and thyme,
And sow it all over with one peppercorn,
For then he'll be a true love of mine.

Ask him to reap it with a sickle of leather,
Parsley, sage, rosemary and thyme,
And gather it up with a rope made of heather,
For then he'll be a true love of mine.

Ask him to make me a low-squirt shaft
Parsley, sage, rosemary and thyme,
That jumps the cue ball ...

OK I can't rhyme this, but you get the idea

...

By the way, I think the OB-1 is a very good product. It's low-squirt and it has a solid, pleasing hit, imo.
 
The ob-1 has very low deflection. It may be a little more than the predator, but it can't be by much. And don't be so dismayed. Deflection is your friend when you get used to the stick. And when you get used to THIS stick, it'll hit the same every single time! As far as jumping goes, it'll jump the same as a predator, in my opinion. I use my break cue for full cue jumping anyway. ;) You might also note that many people have claimed to be able to get more spin with the ob-1. No science behind this opinion, but I agree.

Just go with it. What's the worst case scenario? Give it a month. I know you'll love it.

-yow!
 
ericyow said:
Deflection is your friend when you get used to the stick.
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Thanks for that pearl of wisdom. I couldn't agree with you more. As with many things, deflection can definitely help make some otherwise quite difficult shots. It's all about managing it. And ANY stick produces it. One key element though is that deflection will hopefully be consistent. Isn't it really all about knowing your stroke, and what it will produce? Seems to me the key is knowing/intuiting how much spin will be produced for a given stroke speed with different degrees of offset.

By the way, I know a fellow who has two Predator Z-2 shafts, which, he says, play differently... Put on the same butt, they play slightly differently.

Do you know if all OB-1 shafts show extreme consistency in the degree of squirt and so on?

Flex
 
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