I need help!!!

I appriciate all the info, that has helped greatly. I have come to find that I got scammed plain and simple, I guess the issue now is how to combat Paypal and say to them that they are providing a loop hole for people pull this off. I have everything documented and am having someone investigate further into Tim_Hong and if there is any way of finding out who he is where he is at. He is F$%#$%d if I find out.
 
he contacted me about buying my scruggs... i told him what i wanted for it, and that i would not accept paypal.. so that i would have to look into the various ways i can accept payment and that i also had reservations about shipping it outside the usa because of the ivory ferrules.. and if he was seriously interested, to let me know and we will discuss how we were going to proceede... he never pm'ed me back after that...

i am really glad i didnt deal with him after reading these posts..


also.. if you can get ahold of customs for either country, there could be a chance to get it returned... but since you shipped it long ago express.. its probably out of customs by now..

best of luck..
chris
 

Here is the information invloved in my Meucci sale to him.

The cue shipped to:

Yuri Bayanin
Flat H 16 Floor Bock 1 Site 9
Whampoa Garden, Hung Hom
Kowloon, Hong Kong

The email addresses of the Paypal payments involved were:

Buyer Email: yuri_b17@yahoo.com

and

Buyer Email: yumilam76@gmail.com

I knew better, but he seemed very honest. What a shame. Maybe we can help other folks to not be scammed.

Kam, maybe you can track this down among your pool playing friends in Hong Kong.

Also, it was brought to my attention that I left good feedback for Yuri_b17. That is true (plus, I still have not been hit with a chargeback, yet, so hopefully, this is just a mis-understanding). The payments were made as listed above, ie Yuri Bayanin. When he received the Meucci, he left me good feedback, and I left him good feedback.

Joe
 
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Grumpy said:
I have heard this storey 25 times at least. The solution is simple, STOP USING PAYPAL to receive funds (they will steal from you).
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selling cues offshore 101
by: Asiasdad

1. PAYPAL SUCKS
www.paypalsucks.com

2. If the buyer will not wire transfer the
funds to pay for the cue, do not sell it to that person.

3. Under no circumstances do you ship a cue without
first removing the funds from your account. I highly
recommend that you set up a special account just for
the purpose of "draining" so you cannot get hit
with a "chargeback".

FWIW: Danny
 
Paypal charge back

I had a charge back from Paypal from a cue I sold on Fleabay because the buyer was not going to be able to make as much on the resale of the cue, it had a little roll out in the butt (.029" one way) on a 30 year old stick. The charge back was for the full amount, even the paypal fees I did not receive.

I REPEAT DO NOT USE PAYPAL....

I have repaid paypal everything I received from them but not their fees & they are still holding my paypal account hostage.

DO NOT USE PAYPAL & THEY CANNOT TAKE ADVANTAGE OF YOU.
patrickjuhlin said:
With a charge back and Paypal are you forced to give back the payment, is there any type of insurence for this?
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Bamacues said:

Here is the information invloved in my Meucci sale to him.

The cue shipped to:

Yuri Bayanin
Flat H 16 Floor Bock 1 Site 9
Whampoa Garden, Hung Hom
Kowloon, Hong Kong

The email addresses of the Paypal payments involved were:

Buyer Email: yuri_b17@yahoo.com

and

Buyer Email: yumilam76@gmail.com

I knew better, but he seemed very honest. What a shame. Maybe we can help other folks to not be scammed.

Kam, maybe you can track this down among your pool playing friends in Hong Kong.

Joe
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Alright guys, i thought this was funny/odd when i read the thread about the Ernie Martinez raffle. http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?p=1403948#post1403948
Start with post number 49 on page 4. tim_hong asking for a refund and yuri_b17 chiming in to back him up. I thought they were the same person at the time when i first read it, And now that bamacues posted tim_hongs email address, it's pretty clear to see that both users are the same person. So beware of both id's. At least. He could have more on here.
 
A big question is: Have other sellers to "Yuri_B17" had any other problems?

Remy, JimL, and nbll01 (3 times) have left positve feedbacks for Yuri_B17 a while back. Did these AZ sellers have any chargebacks from Yuri??? If Yuri was a scamming, wouldn't he have done a charged back?

I also sent Yuri a case ($450). He also paid using 2 different Paypal accounts. I thought it was ok because of the positive feedbacks he got. But after talking with Joe, I don't feel too good about this. But I am hopeful that there was just a misunderstanding somewhere. And that everything will be ok. Does anyone have a bridge that they want to sell me??? :wink:

I hope Yuri will respond to this thread.


Bamacues said:

Here is the information invloved in my Meucci sale to him.

The cue shipped to:

Yuri Bayanin
Flat H 16 Floor Bock 1 Site 9
Whampoa Garden, Hung Hom
Kowloon, Hong Kong

The email addresses of the Paypal payments involved were:

Buyer Email: yuri_b17@yahoo.com

and

Buyer Email: yumilam76@gmail.com

I knew better, but he seemed very honest. What a shame. Maybe we can help other folks to not be scammed.

Kam, maybe you can track this down among your pool playing friends in Hong Kong.

Also, it was brought to my attention that I left good feedback for Yuri_b17. That is true (plus, I still have not been hit with a chargeback, yet). The offer to purchase came to me from the ID of Tony_Hong, and the payments were made as listed above, ie Yuri Bayanin. When he received the Meucci, he left me good feedback as Yuri_b17, and I left him good feedback. It was not until this was pointed out to me that I noticed he had used the second ID when he left feedback for me (Tim_Hong vs Yuri_b17).

Joe
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Michael-Hoang said:
But I am hopeful that there was just a misunderstanding somewhere. And that everything will be ok. Does anyone have a bridge that they want to sell me??? :wink:

I hope Yuri will respond to this thread.
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Michael,

As I said earlier, as of yet, I have not received a chargeback to my account. The deal has gone perfectly, up to this point.

However, the fact that one person has been charged back, then to find that 4-6 other people (that we know of) all had similar transactions, makes me think something is very wrong.

Also, did everyone else notice that the payments were made not to exceed $250 on each one (ie, $249). Why would that be? Does that cause something different in Paypal if it exceeds that amount?

I will be the very first in line to deeply apologize to Yuri if all of this is a mistake. I deeply hope that that is what it is.
Joe
 
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You would think that Yuri is in Hong Kong and the taxes and regulations may be different than what we have in the U.S.

Maybe the $250 is a limit or a baseline in which anything over that is considered a large buy and it may be that he is trying to pay with 2 smaller payments.

I know that in the USA when buying an expensive used car, many people that I've dealt with pay with 2 checks. Like recently, I was payed with a check for $15,000 and $10,000 with a total of $25,000. I didn't know the reason, but it's most likely taxes of a form or money dispersion.

None the less, I got the full amount..

I hope this was a misunderstanding.

Good luck.!
 
I will be the first to appologize too. The fact that the owner of the paypal account, Lim Alex which is the name, is having their bank chargeback the account is suspect. I sent a personal email to them asking if they had their Paypal account authorized without their permission.
 
patrickjuhlin said:
I will be the first to appologize too. The fact that the owner of the paypal account, Lim Alex which is the name, is having their bank chargeback the account is suspect. I sent a personal email to them asking if they had their Paypal account authorized without their permission.
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There were at least four or five others who PM'd me with reports of similar requested purchases/split payments from Hong Kong.

To those of you who were approached and sold to someone, or even if you caught it in time, are the names of the accounts different from those mentioned on here?

Just wondering if someone has hacked a few paypal accounts or something.

Joe
 
All the people in fear of a charge back should remove all your information from your paypal account and close it. They can?t get your money if you don?t have a paypal account.
 
If anyone has on-going transactions to Hong Kong, try to put a stop on the shipments ASAP!!

See: http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=113035

Well, as anticipated, I have just been hit by the claims of unauthorized transactions by Yuri_b17, aka, Tim_hong.

I now understand how he does it. First, he pays a nominal amount out of his real account. The rest, he pays out of another account. Then, he iniates a claim with Paypal on the small clain. I can prove that I shipped the cue to him on it, but he only paid $16 through that account.

Next, after he files that claim and is possibly denied on it, he files the second claim on the item, which he paid from the second account, in this case, $249.

Since the first claim will have been iniated and possibly satisfied, then I can't prove to Paypal that a shipment went to that address.

It is a real shame, but I will at least file a claim with the Hong Kong cyber crime unit. Fortunately, my daughter-in-law is from Hong Kong, and her father will help me with it. I may never receive my money back, but at least I can make the authorities aware of the on-going crime.

Everyone, please beware. No more "Mr. Nice-guy".

Joe
 
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perhaps any scams over 250 will be dealt with differently. anything below 250 is petty and wont warrant much attention from the authorities but anything over might draw more attention from the cops?
 
I stopped using PP long ago. Example: I would sell a cue for $4500 and PP would guarentee the sale up to $2000. What they don't say is they still take commission on the entire $4500.

PP is nice in theory but the seller is very vulnerable in many ways. (and you usually find out the hard way during the learning curve)

EBAY and PP have many challenges they are trying to overcome. Whenever I get a price increase from Ebay, they usually have a way to minimize it by leaning my option more to "Buy it Now" rather than "auction". Thier fraud dept works overtime to maintain some sort of security and it will only get worse.

EBAY reminds me of "Thunderdome". An environment that has as many people hiding behind corners and shadows as they do legit members.

my $0.02 cents

greg libby
(man or myth)

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Yuri_b17 Tim_Hong

At least this thread helped save a couple of members from getting into more bad deals with Yuri_b17 / Tim_Hong

Rarely has there been a scam where the AZ community has so little power to do anything.
It sounds like pay-pal could do more to help.
There must similar legal avenues to take, and pay-pal shouldn't let him get away with this just because he lives in Hong Kong.

It looks like at least 4-members have been swindled by this guy, possibly more.
Would it be possible to approach pay-pal as a group similar to a "class action" to have the claims reversed?
There is a clear pattern of dishonest behavior, and people are coming out of the woodwork that may have a problem.

AZ members sure helped me when I needed it, and so far 2-members were saved from similar problems by reading this thread.
Yuri_b17 if you are reading this, do the right thing and give these people their money back.
The onslaught of grief you will receive isn't worth it.
 
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