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One of the world's best snooker players is also a gambling addict. He put his young family through hell, sent his career into a tailspin, and even contemplated suicide. Mark King is 36 years old today. He once sold a snooker table for cash and promptly blew it in 10 minutes on three spins of a roulette-wheel machine in a nearby betting shop.

He says, "There is a gambling culture in snooker, and many players relax in that way. However, I am a compulsive and I don't know when to stop. There is a massive difference between people who lose 50 and then don't play again for a month and me. If I got 200 down, it was like, 'You can't leave now'; I'd go to the cashpoint, then go to the next card table. When that closed, go to the roulette, then the blackjack, then the Caribbean poker. It's an illness."

Peter Kay, the chief executive of the Sporting Chance clinic, specializes in the treatment of addicts. He believes the kind of debts run up in the past by King would make players more vulnerable to approaches threatening the integrity of the sport. Kay says, "Hypothetically, if you owed someone 40,000 and they said, 'I can knock that off if you win five frames and then lose', that's a hell of a pressure."

King, who admitted last year he once rejected an offer from a stranger of 100,000 to throw a match, says, "If you are in debt, maybe you'd be more vulnerable to suggestions like that. But even at the height of my problems and debts, and with all the other crazy things I was thinking, never did it cross my mind to try and throw a match."

King is now a recovering gambling addict, continues treatment and attends meetings. He is delighted to have reclaimed a life that at one time looked to be spinning hopelessly out of control. "Without the meetings, I am a scumbag," he says, "so I will always do them. The last eight years have been the sweetest time. My kids don't cower because I made their mother cry rowing about gambling away the shopping money, and there is a lot of love in my life that just wasn't there before."

Here's an interesting bit of King smut:

King retired from snooker but soon reversed his decision. "At the time I wanted to snap my cue," he said. "I took a couple of weeks off, then had a long chat with my wife and we agreed I should stick with snooker."

King's mother, who has since passed away, was jailed for life at the Old Bailey in October 2003 for killing her cousin.

In 2004, King became involved in a spat with Quinten Hann after the Australian defeated a close friend of King's, Andy Hicks. After the match, Hann squared up to Hicks and, as a result, King challenged the Aussie to a boxing match. The bout took place, Hann winning the fight – dubbed "Pot Whack" – on points.

In 2004, King reached the semi-finals of the UK Championship. He was losing to Stephen Maguire when a mobile phone rang in the crowd. King said, "If that's my missus, tell her I'll be home soon."

He is one of three players to temporarily have a winning head-to-head record against Ronnie O'Sullivan.


Source: Independent.Co.UK.com [Retrieved 25 March 2011]

Gambling really is a disease, though it is not often recognized as such. It is good to read Mark King was able to overcome gambling before it overcame him. :)
 

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I wouldn't exactly say he's one of the best snooker players. I don't think he's ever cracked the top 16...if he has it's just barely. He's also never won a single pro title, come to think of it I don't think he's ever even made it to a final.
 
I wouldn't exactly say he's one of the best snooker players. I don't think he's ever cracked the top 16...if he has it's just barely. He's also never won a single pro title, come to think of it I don't think he's ever even made it to a final.

He's made 2 finals and was ranked #11 about 5-6 years ago. I think right now, he's somewhere between 15-18th.

I never knew about his gambling issues, and as a fellow recovering addict I'll put him on my list of players to root for. Both in his snooker career and more importantly his personal life.

I know firsthand, how these things can destroy your life, I also know, you can often come out the other side even stronger.

Best of luck Mark.

RC
Whose 6 year birthday is just weeks away.
 
He's made 2 finals and was ranked #11 about 5-6 years ago. I think right now, he's somewhere between 15-18th.

I never knew about his gambling issues, and as a fellow recovering addict I'll put him on my list of players to root for. Both in his snooker career and more importantly his personal life.

I know firsthand, how these things can destroy your life, I also know, you can often come out the other side even stronger.

Best of luck Mark.

RC
Whose 6 year birthday is just weeks away.


Congratulations on your recovery.

The moral of this story hits home a lot closer than some may realize on this forum.

Without naming names, I have been to casinos and seen many a pool player keep gambling until they're busted. This is one reason why I do not like to go to pool tournaments in Las Vegas. My other half loves all gambling games, i.e., horses, craps, card games, pool games, all the sports games on TV. If I did not speak up when we were in the gambling environments, I'm not sure we would leave with any money in our pockets, especially dice and horses. In fact, we have engaged in heated discussions around many a dice table and horse track, me wanting to leave, him wanting to take another C-note shot. :angry:

Some close friends have tried to put the bite on me in pool rooms after they go bust, and I refrain from lending money in this kind of environment. If they were hungry, needed a place to stay, I'd offer help, but not in a gambling environment would I lend money to those who I know have gambling problems.

Last time I was in Vegas, as one example, I met a gentleman who was a "good" friend of my partner's when they both lived in California. They knew each other quite well. He told us that he was living out of his car in Vegas, had hit some hard times. Meanwhile, he's following our group around like a shadow. I didn't realize why he was sticking so closely to our group until one of us made a score gambling. This guy was hoping to get a little jelly roll if somebody won some money.

We did give this gentlemen $50 at the end of the night. He told us he was hungry and didn't have a dime to his name, sleeping out of his car, the whole nine yards.

As we were leaving, we stopped to cash in some chips. I watched this guy walk over to one of those slot machines, and he proceeded to lose the entire $50 we gave him for food. When we saw him the next day, I asked him how he was doing, and of course, he was hungry and wanted to know if he could eat with us.

Gambling is a disease, and many pool players suffer from this, some worse than others. I can think of one world champion who is always broke today, even though he still wins in pool tournaments and action matches. He's not broke because of low pool payouts. He's broke because he gambles 24/7/365 and doesn't know when to quit.
 
I see the same thing among pool players as I do other gamblers. The disease is addiction, the substance might be pool, or horses, or casinos or poker.

Watch Poker After Dark and you'll see all kinds of crazy sidebets among those guys. Most are wealthy, probably, but how many will remain so?

A good pool player with the gambling bug thinks he can grab an advantage on the pool table. Soon as he's clocked by those who will gamble with him, he's got to give weight. To feed the disease, he'll do it, ultimately to his demise.
 
Quoting Al Pacino in "Two For The Money": "You know what's wrong with us? We're lemons. We don't wanna win. We go to the casinos to lose. And we can't just lose a little, we have to lose big, in order to feel something."

Not an exact quote, but from memory the message is still the same.
 
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Congratulations on your recovery.

The moral of this story hits home a lot closer than some may realize on this forum.

Without naming names, I have been to casinos and seen many a pool player keep gambling until they're busted. This is one reason why I do not like to go to pool tournaments in Las Vegas. My other half loves all gambling games, i.e., horses, craps, card games, pool games, all the sports games on TV. If I did not speak up when we were in the gambling environments, I'm not sure we would leave with any money in our pockets, especially dice and horses. In fact, we have engaged in heated discussions around many a dice table and horse track, me wanting to leave, him wanting to take another C-note shot. :angry:

Some close friends have tried to put the bite on me in pool rooms after they go bust, and I refrain from lending money in this kind of environment. If they were hungry, needed a place to stay, I'd offer help, but not in a gambling environment would I lend money to those who I know have gambling problems.

Last time I was in Vegas, as one example, I met a gentleman who was a "good" friend of my partner's when they both lived in California. They knew each other quite well. He told us that he was living out of his car in Vegas, had hit some hard times. Meanwhile, he's following our group around like a shadow. I didn't realize why he was sticking so closely to our group until one of us made a score gambling. This guy was hoping to get a little jelly roll if somebody won some money.

We did give this gentlemen $50 at the end of the night. He told us he was hungry and didn't have a dime to his name, sleeping out of his car, the whole nine yards.

As we were leaving, we stopped to cash in some chips. I watched this guy walk over to one of those slot machines, and he proceeded to lose the entire $50 we gave him for food. When we saw him the next day, I asked him how he was doing, and of course, he was hungry and wanted to know if he could eat with us.

Gambling is a disease, and many pool players suffer from this, some worse than others. I can think of one world champion who is always broke today, even though he still wins in pool tournaments and action matches. He's not broke because of low pool payouts. He's broke because he gambles 24/7/365 and doesn't know when to quit.


I have long been intolerant of calling every behavioral problem an addiction. Too easy for people to claim that it is a disease and absolve themselves of personal responsibility. However more and more I see that almost anything can be an addiction for some people. I have known my share of addicts over the years, drugs, alcohol, action junkies. I think of a man I knew in the eighties, unbelievable talent and speed with an airbrush. He could easily make $3000 a day with an airbrush at almost any new car dealership. In two hours one evening he lettered, scalloped, and painted two full color cartoons on the doors of my wrecker that were worth more than the wrecker itself was. As things turned out it didn't happen but I planned to save those door skins and hang them on my wall when the wrecker went away for one reason or another.

I suspect he is dead now, he was a junkie. He had already lost a wife, family, fine business, everything he owned. The last I knew he was doing a little painting under an open shed. I couldn't give him five dollars to eat on. He would go collect five dollars from a handful of friends and off to find dope. Feed him, give him a place to sleep, maybe an old jacket or something, and he would be on his way.

It took me a long time to accept that thrill seekers and action junkies can be equal addicts, hooked on the chemicals and emotions in their own bodies in these situations. Although few will admit it winning the cash isn't as important as being in action, the cash is just a means to an end for the true action junkie. A recent revelation made me realize that horse racing, pool, poker as a game of skill, all are on the road to obscurity. Horse racing would be dead already if it wasn't a multi-billion dollar industry with strong lobby groups and friends in high places. It takes work and time to be a decent handicapper and that interferes with the betting high that the addict seeks.

More to say on the general subject but I'm going to start a thread rather than derail this one.

Hu
 
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I have long been intolerant of calling every behavioral problem an addiction. Too easy for people to claim that it is a disease and absolve themselves of personal responsibility. However more and more I see that almost anything can be an addiction for some people. I have known my share of addicts over the years, drugs, alcohol, action junkies. I think of a man I knew in the eighties, unbelievable talent and speed with an airbrush. He could easily make $3000 a day with an airbrush at almost any new car dealership. In two hours one evening he lettered, scalloped, and painted two full color cartoons on the doors of my wrecker that were worth more than the wrecker itself was. As things turned out it didn't happen but I planned to save those door skins and hang them on my wall when the wrecker went away for one reason or another.

I suspect he is dead now, he was a junkie. He had already lost a wife, family, fine business, everything he owned. The last I knew he was doing a little painting under an open shed. I couldn't give him five dollars to eat on. He would go collect five dollars from a handful of friends and off to find dope. Feed him, give him a place to sleep, maybe an old jacket or something, and he would be on his way.

It took me a long time to accept that thrill seekers and action junkies can be equal addicts, hooked on the chemicals and emotions in their own bodies in these situations. Although few will admit it winning the cash isn't as important as being in action, the cash is just a means to an end for the true action junkie. A recent revelation made me realize that horse racing, pool, poker as a game of skill, all are on the road to obscurity. Horse racing would be dead already if it wasn't a multi-billion dollar industry with strong lobby groups and friends in high places. It takes work and time to be a decent handicapper and that interferes with the betting high that the addict seeks.

More to say on the general subject but I'm going to start a thread rather than derail this one.

Hu

You hit the nail on the head with this post, Hu! Well said! :)
 
HU, stole my glorious come-back.......

Hu, JAM, great to see you guys again. You always did understand the gist of a post, Hu. I was going to post similar to yours. Didn't see any of the old gang until I got to your post. Best to you both and to that old man of yours, JAM.....
 
He's made 2 finals and was ranked #11 about 5-6 years ago. I think right now, he's somewhere between 15-18th.

I never knew about his gambling issues, and as a fellow recovering addict I'll put him on my list of players to root for. Both in his snooker career and more importantly his personal life.

I know firsthand, how these things can destroy your life, I also know, you can often come out the other side even stronger.

Best of luck Mark.

RC
Whose 6 year birthday is just weeks away.

Agreed struggling with personal issues is more instructive then just being successful.
 
great to see you!

Hu, JAM, great to see you guys again. You always did understand the gist of a post, Hu. I was going to post similar to yours. Didn't see any of the old gang until I got to your post. Best to you both and to that old man of yours, JAM.....

Dang, guess we need a special forum for those of us that pass through occasionally to get together. It is great to see a post from you. I'm moving a little closer to Jackson in a couple years, should make it about a two hour run I believe. That should be enough of a goad to make the trip! I haven't been that way in many years now for one reason or another. A bunch of trips up 59 but I never seem to go up 55 any more.

Hope things are great your way!

Hu
 
As we were leaving, we stopped to cash in some chips. I watched this guy walk over to one of those slot machines, and he proceeded to lose the entire $50 we gave him for food. When we saw him the next day, I asked him how he was doing, and of course, he was hungry and wanted to know if he could eat with us.

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J,
I've been in a similar situation on multiple occasions. I decided the only appropriate response to any plea of cash for food is, "okay, lets go eat, I'm buying." I've been turned down more times than my offer has been accepted (they really just wanted money for gambling) - the gambling addiction is stronger than the desire to eat in many people. Sad but true.
 
J,
I've been in a similar situation on multiple occasions. I decided the only appropriate response to any plea of cash for food is, "okay, lets go eat, I'm buying." I've been turned down more times than my offer has been accepted (they really just wanted money for gambling) - the gambling addiction is stronger than the desire to eat in many people. Sad but true.

That is so true. It is quite sad.
 
Hu, JAM, great to see you guys again. You always did understand the gist of a post, Hu. I was going to post similar to yours. Didn't see any of the old gang until I got to your post. Best to you both and to that old man of yours, JAM.....

I was just writing about you the other day on another thread about AZ old-schoolers. Good to see you! Don't be a stranger! :)
 
I wouldn't exactly say he's one of the best snooker players. I don't think he's ever cracked the top 16...if he has it's just barely. He's also never won a single pro title, come to think of it I don't think he's ever even made it to a final.

Yeah, I've always thought of King as a second tier player at best, he never makes it past the first or second round of the World Championships...some years he doesn't even qualify for the event.
 
It was the piano's fault

Knew a man named Craig...early 80's... an action freak.
Beat him for $400 once playing 9-ball..found out it was his road money to
go to his uncle's funeral...so I gave it back..and told him he was a sick gambler.

So when he got back..he joined Gambler's Anonymous...
When he showed up to his first meeting, they had a piano there.
Craig played piano in a small band..just weekend gigs.
Sooo...he started playing the horse track song..'Call to Post'.

He got kicked out.

After telling me this..and after I stopped laughing...he said "What now?"
I said "You're a smart guy..why don't you try gambling at things you can
win at?"

He read a few books, did a lot of thinking, and now enjoys action without
losing the farm.
 
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Bill...Great to see you posting again! You were mentioned in the "whatever happened to...missing in action" thread. Hope you're doing well!

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Hu, JAM, great to see you guys again. You always did understand the gist of a post, Hu. I was going to post similar to yours. Didn't see any of the old gang until I got to your post. Best to you both and to that old man of yours, JAM.....
 
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