i think the first 3 are really good ideas that need to be put in place. the last 2 are optional, but imo it is pretty ridiculous the mosconi cup cant get yall a van back to the airport like- wtf?
I Would Not Be the Mosconi Cup Captain Again! - UNLESS...............
- Thread starter CJ Wiley
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Over the past seven Mosconi Cups, counting total racks won, the score has been Europe 583- 485. That means that, in rough terms, Europe won a 100 ahead race. They've won 55% of the racks played in the last seven years. That is a thrashing, no more and no less.
Those who make comments like change the equipment, change the format, change the number of players on the team, change the venue, give us a few more rolls, change this or change that and the American(s) will win or would have won are, quite unintentionally, part of the problem. They are the ones who continue to allow the American players to be delusional every year about their prospects and to conclude that they don't need to further develop their games to start winning again.
Will 2014 be another year in which America lives in denial? Or will it be the year in which Americans develop their games? Only the most delusional think that American players not named Van Boening can, more than occasionally, compete with the best of Europe and, more obviously, Asia.
The right training, as suggested by CJ, might be America's only hope.
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CJ, I think you'd be a great captain. The 5K needed for training and expenses prior to the event is a modest request. It seems that the timeline where players are selected prior to the Mosconi Cup may not lend itself enough time to practice together, plan and develop a game strategy and the team building necessary to put forth a match winning effort. It's kinda like running a relay race where the right players are placed in the correct positions for the team to run its race to its best abilities. And, being in shape to do so….
I hope you get banned for spewing such uninformed, uneducated hogwash.
(to readers that might not know - read sjm's posts carefully, the kind sob is a pool sage)
I'd like to add to sjm's post - while I agree a one week Cup boot camp would help, I ponder... The US had 5 from one country. The Euro's had 5 guys from 4 smaller countries.
Why was one team unified? Is ongoing US pro culture at the heart of the matter for 11 -2?
I think the idea of a type of formal team training just prior is a good idea and then using that footage of a hype video.
the tremendous pressure of the Mosconi Cup.
You're welcome, Bud, have a great Holiday......you are one of the few that "real eyes" what I mean by "serious training" for the Pro Players......this is the ONLY way to deal with the tremendous pressure of the Mosconi Cup. 'The Game is the Teacher'
You're welcome, Bud, have a great Holiday......you are one of the few that "real eyes" what I mean by "serious training" for the Pro Players......this is the ONLY way to deal with the tremendous pressure of the Mosconi Cup. 'The Game is the Teacher'
CJ -
I think you were a great champion, but I think you have too much baggage.
I think you are very sincere guy and want the best but your endless support of Earl and Rodney has shown your true colors. Probably more of a true friend than most and because of that you couldn't or wouldn't be great coach.
I have preached and preached that this last group was problems waiting to happen, and I was right. I was Poo-pooed here by you and JAM and several others.
The opportunity was BLANTENT that we could have showcased our great young talent like Skylar, Landon, Justin Hall and others, and presented the USA and pool in positive light, but Johnny and you wanted the Jerry Springer show and you got it.
So don't come on here to campaign for being a Captain.
We need new blood in there including the captains!
I do respect you and your accomplishments, and frankly your desire, but I feel it is misguided and way off target. This is shown by the showing of this years group of MC.
Best of rolls to all,
Ken
I think you were a great champion, but I think you have too much baggage.
I think you are very sincere guy and want the best but your endless support of Earl and Rodney has shown your true colors. Probably more of a true friend than most and because of that you couldn't or wouldn't be great coach.
I have preached and preached that this last group was problems waiting to happen, and I was right. I was Poo-pooed here by you and JAM and several others.
The opportunity was BLANTENT that we could have showcased our great young talent like Skylar, Landon, Justin Hall and others, and presented the USA and pool in positive light, but Johnny and you wanted the Jerry Springer show and you got it.
So don't come on here to campaign for being a Captain.
We need new blood in there including the captains!
I do respect you and your accomplishments, and frankly your desire, but I feel it is misguided and way off target. This is shown by the showing of this years group of MC.
Best of rolls to all,
Ken
Strong post with great points.
I was under the impression the Matchroom picked all the players is that not true?
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It was my impression that CJ mentioned that Johnny called him and they worked together on it.
I could be wrong, but that was what I remember.
Ken
Ken
I could be wrong.
You could be wrong.
We both could be wrong.
But I don't think, in this case anyway, we both could be right.
Kevin
I don't know how many of you are baseball fans, but lets take a look at my favorite team, the Boston Red Sox.
They were pitiful in the 2012 season, coming in last in their division. They got rid of a few high priced players, brought in players that were known for being great in the club house as well as on the field. They established a theme, they all grew beards, and became a very cohesive unit that was capable of winning the World Series. Worst to first in one year. If you look at their roster, you know that they couldn't compete with the pitching staff of Tampa Bay and Detroit, but they did. What they accomplished was with heart and trusting in one another.
This is what you need with any team. You have to believe in each other and have fun, and of course possess talent. Fielding what you feel are the most talented players is not always the answer. Sometimes, the answer may be as simple as bring up a rookie from the minor leagues. They just might surprise you.
They were pitiful in the 2012 season, coming in last in their division. They got rid of a few high priced players, brought in players that were known for being great in the club house as well as on the field. They established a theme, they all grew beards, and became a very cohesive unit that was capable of winning the World Series. Worst to first in one year. If you look at their roster, you know that they couldn't compete with the pitching staff of Tampa Bay and Detroit, but they did. What they accomplished was with heart and trusting in one another.
This is what you need with any team. You have to believe in each other and have fun, and of course possess talent. Fielding what you feel are the most talented players is not always the answer. Sometimes, the answer may be as simple as bring up a rookie from the minor leagues. They just might surprise you.
I believe Shane would have been extremely tough to beat at that moment,
That's a great point....anyone that thinks they may be right about something they have no real information about is......at the least uninformed.
When I was Captain the first time I picked the entire team. I was a player and a Captain and we had the great fortune to win in London. On the second day they banned all beer/liquor from the stadium and we played in front of a voicterous "soccer crowd".
I had a guy try to physically rip my USA vest off in the upstairs bar....poor fellow.
Those were the days, I like the London crowd the best, they know how to "sweat" a pool match. We came within ONE MATCH last year of winning, and my buddy SHANE (who was instrumental in me becoming Captain) was the one I was choosing to face Darrin A. for the "CUP".
I believe Shane would have been extremely tough to beat at that moment, and although Darrin is at his level, Shane had the upper hand that night. imho 'The Game is the Teacher'
That's a great point....anyone that thinks they may be right about something they have no real information about is......at the least uninformed.
When I was Captain the first time I picked the entire team. I was a player and a Captain and we had the great fortune to win in London. On the second day they banned all beer/liquor from the stadium and we played in front of a voicterous "soccer crowd".
I had a guy try to physically rip my USA vest off in the upstairs bar....poor fellow.
Those were the days, I like the London crowd the best, they know how to "sweat" a pool match. We came within ONE MATCH last year of winning, and my buddy SHANE (who was instrumental in me becoming Captain) was the one I was choosing to face Darrin A. for the "CUP".
I believe Shane would have been extremely tough to beat at that moment, and although Darrin is at his level, Shane had the upper hand that night. imho 'The Game is the Teacher'
The Mosconi Cup is a "made for European TV" production that does very well
In 2012 we came within one match of winning, and we were certainly "up against the nutz"......there is an amount of pressure in that format that requires "nerves of steel" that have been developed in the toughest of conditions......anyone that thinks "younger players" can withstand that kind of pressure are "uninformed".
The Mosconi Cup is a "made for European TV" production that does very well in their target market. Everyone enjoys seeing the US lose, so their ratings are tremendous......this wouldn't go over so well in the US because no one knows any of the players from years of not having much TV Time. When we played in the 90s there was much more interest in the USA, but over time that has changed.
The key to changing the perception of pool in the US has nothing at all to do with the Mosconi Cup....we must BRAND our own players like we did in the 90s, through charity events and supporting good causes......this changes the way we're looked at by the media and thus, the general public.
In 2012 we came within one match of winning, and we were certainly "up against the nutz"......there is an amount of pressure in that format that requires "nerves of steel" that have been developed in the toughest of conditions......anyone that thinks "younger players" can withstand that kind of pressure are "uninformed".
The Mosconi Cup is a "made for European TV" production that does very well in their target market. Everyone enjoys seeing the US lose, so their ratings are tremendous......this wouldn't go over so well in the US because no one knows any of the players from years of not having much TV Time. When we played in the 90s there was much more interest in the USA, but over time that has changed.
The key to changing the perception of pool in the US has nothing at all to do with the Mosconi Cup....we must BRAND our own players like we did in the 90s, through charity events and supporting good causes......this changes the way we're looked at by the media and thus, the general public.
I'd call Darren the most clutch pool player since Efren.
The only really big spot I can remember in which Darren played Shane in a match with a big amount of money riding on it was at the 2012 Challenge of Champions, a winner take all affair for $25,000. Darren beat Shane by 10 racks to 1. History has shown that the bigger the spot, the better Darren plays.
I place a lot of credence in your opinion here, but your assumption that Shane would have won over Darren is no more than speculation.
CJ ,, i have often have wondered why sports shrinks are not used it pool like in golf and other sports I am one of the few who actually went to one although be it I'm not a pro I had tremendous results , I have talked to some player some lower end pros and they have balked at this idea why do they think their beyond this I experienced one of my best runs ever in masters APA play winning several matches in a win or go home won them all and made it to Vegas , I can't see why they are reluctant I watch many pro's who check up under the gun I think it would help tremendously
I don't get it
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Darrin was "not himself"
Darrin was "not himself" that night......it would not have been a contest unless "lightning" would have disrupted play. imo (of course)
It makes no difference what "could of, would of, should of" happened. The point is we came "almost" as close as possible and lost....no harm, no foul, we shook their hand and took the defeat like gentleman....none of the team even muttered a cuss word under their breath.......well, maybe one. 'The Game is the Teacher'
Darrin was "not himself" that night......it would not have been a contest unless "lightning" would have disrupted play. imo (of course)
It makes no difference what "could of, would of, should of" happened. The point is we came "almost" as close as possible and lost....no harm, no foul, we shook their hand and took the defeat like gentleman....none of the team even muttered a cuss word under their breath.......well, maybe one.
'The Game is the Teacher'
"Sports $hrinks" are overrated.
"Sports $hrinks" are overrated.......they "dog it" for their own money. :yeah:
"Sports $hrinks" are overrated.......they "dog it" for their own money. :yeah:
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