If G. Balabushka were making cues today.
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I didn't say I would give hoim the 7 I said most all 2nd yr builders lol
I build my cues for me and friends no one else I make no money at it.
And yes I believe how I construct my cues is better than how he constructed his along with 70 percent of decent cue makers out there, the technology today along with material availabilty makes its very easy to make a much more structurally sound cue than back in the day.
Take offense if u like but, its the truth of the matter. The man had a nice looking cue style but as a actual cue builder he was no where near what gus was.
And as I said before how many times have builders been slamed on here for using pre made prongs????? A ton.
So yes I think if george was assembling cues today amung the rest of the cue building world he wouldn't have made a dent.
But as this is a opinion based thead and response I would not expect people to agree.
And do not care if u agree or not.
Maybe by Elitists.I think most people wouldn't/don't care.
I have played with many modern cues. Lets see, Scruggs, Joss West, Black Boar, Richard Black, Southwest, Gus Szamboti, Palmer, Mottey, just to name some, and I still say a Bushka in a very well preserved condition is the best cue I have played with, along with everyone else around me that hit with them. I don't care what glue, cnc, or lathe you used to make it, you got stiff competition from 40 years ago...
I care less what front you or anyone else made, but you are arguing against a crap load of world champion players who stood in line (not collectors, collectors will stand in line all day for an investment), and was in many cases interviewed on their sincerity to the sport before being able to BUY (not be given) a Bushka.
It does not matter if George started with a tabacco stick made by Moses, his end result was World Champion, so deal with it......
And I don't care if you get the point or not.
Well said...
How about we approach it from a different angle..
Without the internet how many cue builders would there be today? George didn't have 6 companies selling ready to go cue building equipment, he didn't have 2 or 3 ask the cuemaker forums where a guy with 1 or 2 years experience can sound like an expert to anyone that will listen.
Oh now you just make them for friends, is your name Wheat?
How many champions are pursuing your "superior" cue building techniques?
He used blanks and splices because he didn't have the shop room to do it. There are probably 2 dozen guys using prather and davis blanks that are better than YOU. None are here saying they are better than Bushka, your friends would dump your cues in a NY minute if Bushkas were still affordable.
JV
Without the internet how many cue builders would there be today? George didn't have 6 companies selling ready to go cue building equipment, he didn't have 2 or 3 ask the cuemaker forums where a guy with 1 or 2 years experience can sound like an expert to anyone that will listen.
Oh now you just make them for friends, is your name Wheat?
How many champions are pursuing your "superior" cue building techniques?
He used blanks and splices because he didn't have the shop room to do it. There are probably 2 dozen guys using prather and davis blanks that are better than YOU. None are here saying they are better than Bushka, your friends would dump your cues in a NY minute if Bushkas were still affordable.
JV
How many people dismissing balabushkas have actually shot with one?
I ask because I had kind of dismissed them as an antique car: cool looking, with personality, but not comparable to modern vehicles.
Boy, was I wrong.
I had a chance to shoot with one once. Really shoot,not just poke at a ball or two. And good lord, did that cue shoot well. It felt great, played awesome, and sort of blew my mind. I went in with the antique car preconceived notion, and I quickly realized how wrong that comparison was. A cue is not an antique car, or some quirky old clunky piece of machinery. The level of hit and feel in it was shocking. I've shot with some really nice cues handed to me by generous friends over the years, and that balabushka shot better than anything I've hit with before besides maybe a nice old Gus the same owner had. Light years beyond what I had expected.
That cue was also a very plain and simple balabushka. Nothing fancy or rare about it. It was from the Glenn family collection. Hunter who posts here on azb shot with the same cue that night I believe.
Long story short: don't dismiss something you haven't tried just because of its style or age. You would be very surprised.
I ask because I had kind of dismissed them as an antique car: cool looking, with personality, but not comparable to modern vehicles.
Boy, was I wrong.
I had a chance to shoot with one once. Really shoot,not just poke at a ball or two. And good lord, did that cue shoot well. It felt great, played awesome, and sort of blew my mind. I went in with the antique car preconceived notion, and I quickly realized how wrong that comparison was. A cue is not an antique car, or some quirky old clunky piece of machinery. The level of hit and feel in it was shocking. I've shot with some really nice cues handed to me by generous friends over the years, and that balabushka shot better than anything I've hit with before besides maybe a nice old Gus the same owner had. Light years beyond what I had expected.
That cue was also a very plain and simple balabushka. Nothing fancy or rare about it. It was from the Glenn family collection. Hunter who posts here on azb shot with the same cue that night I believe.
Long story short: don't dismiss something you haven't tried just because of its style or age. You would be very surprised.
Um I'd say for SURE that George was near to Gus. George was an accomplished wood worker so there is no reason to suppose that he could not have made his own prongs if he chose to. Gus was very particular so if he chose to use blanks by others then it was because he felt they were good enough for his cues.
Again, a lesson to all cue makers, as Bill Schick said, it's about tolerances. Cues that are well built stay together and stay straight. Skimp and fill your cues with glue then don't be surprised when the glue fails and your cues develop hairline cracks, warps, or other issues.
This is what Balabushkas and Szambotis are known for. Being SOLID cues that withstand the ravages of time and environment. And they hit pretty damn sporty as well.
Again, a lesson to all cue makers, as Bill Schick said, it's about tolerances. Cues that are well built stay together and stay straight. Skimp and fill your cues with glue then don't be surprised when the glue fails and your cues develop hairline cracks, warps, or other issues.
This is what Balabushkas and Szambotis are known for. Being SOLID cues that withstand the ravages of time and environment. And they hit pretty damn sporty as well.
I would like to know exactly and precisely what you mean. Materials? Tolerances? Ahesives/glues/epoxies? Workmanship?
I would like precise and exact point by point specifics about your construction compared and contrasted with Balabushka's construction. Then I would like to know, quantitatively and specifically why and how yours is better.
(Please note, comments about the old finish not being as nice and durable will probably not impress.)
Obviously you must have deconstructed a few of his cues for comparison, so those that know of cue construction will enjoy your dissertation and will not be put off in the slightest by highly technical discussion.
Note that I am not offended in the least regarding your claims. I merely wish to know more about your construction in the context in which you have presented it.
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I second that motion.
If you have no fear of making the claim, you should have no fear of explaining why [you believe that] yours is better.
I think Mosconi would be the most diminant of the top tier were he to come up in todays era. He was a natural genius at the game whose inate ability to play the game was recognized at a VERY young age.
Earl could be said to be similar, anyone who watches Earl when he is "on" and feeling right in the head has to admit, there is a level he can reach that noone else on this planet could reach when he was in his prime and other then maybe Efren (and given the first two days of TCOM match I actually think even Efren was proved to not be able to match Earl's true top gear, although he also proved in that match to have a stronger compsure) noone has been at that level since.
Earl has the number of world championships and US opens he has for a reason and the sick thing is if it was not for his head getting in the way he would probably have double.
Mosconi was a Earl level phenom at the game, but take that level of genius and put the heart and killer instinct of a guy like Sigel into a guy with that level of natural talent. That was Mosconi, he was a mix of absolute genius level natrual talent and skill with the confidence and heart of a lion.
Mosconi would be doing what Mika did in that one year where he won almost everything, every year for 20 years straight...
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Coring, Glue, construction, materials, tolerances all around construction by threading all aspects of the cue.
If you think im going to descried how I build my cues
wow this place is off it hinges.I have a bushka it was my fathers ive played with it don't care for it, it sits in a case, as a conversation piece.
Also ive reviewed all of georges construction along with Xray pics that were available and have taken many many cues apart in order to figure out a solid construction method for my cues.
all and the finsh is more durable lol
and to say he would have built his own forearms is a joke or he didn't have the room
please how much room you need for table saw.
Coring, Glue, construction, materials, tolerances all around construction by threading all aspects of the cue.
If you think im going to descried how I build my cues
Sounds like bullshit to me. In fact it doesn't even look like you gave it a good try at bullshitting us.
Very good cue makers have not only described their construction but also posted detailed pics in the cue maker forum here. So I am hardly impressed with your feigned offense at the notion of describing your own cue construction.
You aren't 007, your cue construction isn't top secret. You haven't discovered the secrets of the universe, this is cue construction not cosmology...and even if it was something that important consider that even Stephen Hawking publishes.
At this point it looks very much like you are simply unable to answer.
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Comming from someone as special as you that really hurts lol
Well I've seems I've rattled the cage enough enjoy the rest of your thread lol
Post up pics....would love to see it.
Then you found out the secret to a great modern cue. Build em like George :wink:
Coring, Glue, construction, materials, tolerances all around construction by threading all aspects of the cue.
If you think im going to descried how I build my cues
I have a bushka it was my fathers ive played with it don't care for it, it sits in a case, as a conversation piece.
Also ive reviewed all of georges construction along with Xray pics that were available and have taken many many cues apart in order to figure out a solid construction method for my cues.
all and the finsh is more durable lol
and to say he would have built his own forearms is a joke or he didn't have the room
You sound like you really know what you are up to. I know most builders that come to AZ, what name to you market your product as? Can we see some examples and pricing of your work please?
Thanks
Kevin
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Absolutley not lol
AZ is the worst place for anyone in the pool world to ever use their real name this place lives for roasting people.
This was question asking opinions I gave mine deal with it.
You want some examples look at bob durzicky's site (sp)
He's a prime example of a builder who crushes bushka also in my opinon.
have a great day.
LOL...........
It is easy to say such things about a man that passed on 38 or so years ago. People say we crush the technology of the Egyptians, but you know what, their sh*t is still standing lol.....
But atleast spell his freaking name right. It is Dzuricky.