If the Pro's had a coach

If some of you guys have learned nothing of value from the posts of Patrick Johnson or
CJ Wiley......I wouldn't brag about it, if I were you.

They have posted some excellent information.

CJ knows how to play and I'm sure he would be a good coach.
 
My point of view....it's like handicapping horses...
...there are horses for courses and courses for horses.
Some instructors are good for some players......
...some players need different instructors.
It's not just the stage they're at....it's how they perceive.

I applaud coaching....all players have a coach waiting that can help.....
....but there is no ' one size fits all '

What I don't applaud is the meanness, bitterness, and anger from either side.
....a good discussion is examination by argument......
...either side of the aiming wars should spend more time looking for something good.

regards
pt.....who ponders all his life....and is open to suggestions

That is some what true ,, the coach and the player have be a good match or the player won't buy 100% of what the coach is teaching no matter who he is

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Randyg & Scott Lee already train and coach top line players.

What do they seek?......Proper Mechanics for their personal self!

randyg


Like who? Care to share?

Pool seems to be the one sport where coaches/instructors are never willing to say who they have worked with. Why this is -- I have no idea.
 
Like who? Care to share?

Pool seems to be the one sport where coaches/instructors are never willing to say who they have worked with. Why this is -- I have no idea.

That does seem like the , we do know Stevie Moore learned CTE and claims it helped him to his first victory in a while ,,

I would bet if there were a lot more money in pool you would see a lot more player coach relationships along with some sports shrinks sprinkled in



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The coach of the European Mosconi Cup team. That's really the only event that uses a coach in Pool. He has proven himself by leaps and bounds.
No offence to Johan but he did have a pool of world champions and world class talent to choose from. If any of past Team USA coaches has coaches Europe, Europe would still be favorite though by smaller margin
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there's a true art to teaching pool, and it's 100 times more difficult to do well

And you can read 40000 books and have a world of knowledge,, but a coach with a eye for spotting the flaws in a stroke or mechanics and the strengths and weaknesses in their game and tailoring a style of play that playes to the stenghths of the player is a talent
and just cause you were a great player or you have knoledge of how to play with or with out a system , does not mean you would make a good instructor


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That's right, it took me literally thousands of hours to reach the level of instruction that I'm currently at, and it's getting better every week.....there's a true art to teaching pool, and it's 100 times more difficult than many people could imagine (to do well that is). I teach such a wide variety of players, some with physical disabilities, weight challenges and other special needs......I've found there's always a way to get results, it's just a matter of willingness to do whatever it takes to pass on the knowledge and information.

My advantage is being a martial arts instructor for over 20 years and the time I spent teaching tennis and golf (under Hank Haney, Tiger Wood's past coach). The main thing that helps teacing is the passion to do it, some folks love to teach, and it's probably because they also enjoy learning every day, in every way. 'The Game is Our Teacher'
 
.....I've found there's always a way to get results, it's just a matter of willingness to do whatever it takes to pass on the knowledge and information.

Adaptability is the key to being a great teacher. Great teachers recognize the limitations/abilities of the student and tailor their instruction around that. For example, you'd teach Muhammad Ali and Mike Tyson completely differently -- different reach, different speed, different strengths and weaknesses.

BTW, Angelo Dundee never wore a boxing glove in his life.
 
Without a doubt top players could benefit from a coach.

Somebody coming for 1 lesson is like a drive by. I have seen guys pay big dollars for lessons only to be sitting in their stance, weak bridge, death grip, etc. a month later, it was like they never took the lesson. On top of that they advertise as recognized instructors.

Anyone can teach mediocrity and less. To coach and train a champion you need a student who wants to be a champion, a player, a dreamer, they have the want to, passion and desire. Missing is unacceptable. Some beginners grow into the dreamers. Some dreamers fade out when they see the work involved.

A coach or a trainer is a different animal. They will keep you at a maintenance level, always as sharp as your brain allows you to be on any given day.
A coach or a trainer is going to make you a Monster, even if you are already a Monster.
If your draw stroke is weak, they will work that until it's your strongest stroke.
If your follow is strong, they will make it stronger to catch up to your draw stroke that was weak.
If your thickness of hit and spin is weak on your safety play, they will make it stronger than your follow and draw stroke. I wonder why Shane has such a great break at less the speed of many players.
If you have perfected playing inside the cue ball, they will perfect the extreme edges and never miscue.
The list goes on and on.

There will not be a weakness anywhere; your game is as solid as it can be; now it's just maintenance.
The only thing that can break down is the brain, only you can control your brain, even with the help of the best experts in the world, only you. When the brain falters the skills join in.
The coach can maintain your mastered skills. It's what Drill Sargeants are made of.
Cut this short by 70,000 words.
Sincerely:SS
 
For me I would think a different coach for different games because of strategy. You would have to pick someone who could add to the game you were playing.
 
Like who? Care to share?

Pool seems to be the one sport where coaches/instructors are never willing to say who they have worked with. Why this is -- I have no idea.

It's because Dick asked them not to mention him by name.
Just in case he relocates..... Soon to follow: LakeTahoeTommy.
 
Ralph Eckert has trained many of the Euros and a few Americans... I would say he was the top of the heap.....

Ralph is excellent. His teaching style and rigid training exercises produce results. Thorsten Hohmann has worked with him in the PAT material.

Quite a few pros have sought out Coach Lee Brett for lessons. His verbal communication and approach to the game is a 21st century pool mentality-where pool is an athletic sport and should be treated as such. His testimonial list includes Shane, Darren, dechaine, just to name a few.

Excellent thread by the way.
 
pocket billiards is more of an art form than a sport or game. imho

Adaptability is the key to being a great teacher. Great teachers recognize the limitations/abilities of the student and tailor their instruction around that. For example, you'd teach Muhammad Ali and Mike Tyson completely differently -- different reach, different speed, different strengths and weaknesses.

BTW, Angelo Dundee never wore a boxing glove in his life.

Yes, adaptability is a good term, although I choose to describe it as flexibility.

Boxing and pool are different, however, pool has a lot of similarities with tennis, golf and martial arts......pocket billiards is more of an art form than a sport or game. imho

Someone that has never played pool would not be a good teacher, however, I can see how you could be an effective coach in other sports (without actually mastering the game).
 
Yes, adaptability is a good term, although I choose to describe it as flexibility.

Boxing and pool are different, however, pool has a lot of similarities with tennis, golf and martial arts......pocket billiards is more of an art form than a sport or game. imho

Someone that has never played pool would not be a good teacher, however, I can see how you could be an effective coach in other sports (without actually mastering the game).

Yes, a professional boxing trainer is more similar tohaving a one pocket coach rather than a pool instructor. The trainers job involves analyzing and strategy etc.

Pool instruction seems more geared toward learning how to pocket balls and playing position etc.
 
Yes, adaptability is a good term, although I choose to describe it as flexibility.

Boxing and pool are different, however, pool has a lot of similarities with tennis, golf and martial arts......pocket billiards is more of an art form than a sport or game. imho

Someone that has never played pool would not be a good teacher, however, I can see how you could be an effective coach in other sports (without actually mastering the game).

I agree although I don't think it would take a top player none of the top Golf instructors were top players

I'm also not talking about teaching new players I'm only talking about instructers coaches that have the eye for the flaws and the ability to make suttle changes to a pro level player
Lee Brett is a name I have heard as someone capable of that

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Funny thing about coaches, usually they aren't as good a player as the ones they are coaching but they are great students of the game. I was blessed to play pool professionally back in the 90's then came a wife, children and even cancer. although I make my living as a Billiard Mechanic I hung up my cues for 15 years. well I beat the cancer the kids have grown up and the wife left a long time ago. I started back playing about 2 years ago and im going to give pool one more shot. I have found the coach I wish I had way back when. His name is Matt Brennon. Not a professional player or even a professional coach but he knows my game as well as I do if not better. He knows when im doing something wrong, he can fix it and I trust what he says..... that's what makes a great coach
 
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