If you really want to know how Shanelle Lorain plays

[Poolplaya9]

she seems to be doing what we all did at one time, particularly when we were still learning. Entering events that were way over our head because we enjoyed it, and for the experience, in an attempt to get better.

would i personally enter an "open" tournament that regardless of the "open" name i knew was really just a pro tournament that was specifically intended for the pro level players, and that would consist almost exclusively of pro level players, and especially if it is being streamed/televised/reported on? Hell no.

??? Lol...

As I had already clearly spelled out in the rest of the post you quoted from, just because I wouldn't personally do it doesn't necessarily mean there is anything wrong with it. I would certainly be too embarrassed, but if somebody else isn't, then more power to them. Who am I to tell them they can't play in an OPEN tournament? I bet most of the rest of the players in the tournament were glad to have her, and in fact I bet they wish dozens more just like her would come.

In addition, she has been hired to do it--it is (one of) her job. She wasn't hired because of her skills (and she and the rest of us all know it and nobody including her and CW is trying to make it seem otherwise), she was hired because of her beauty, her poise, her ability to be well spoken, and her demeanor. Those things bring a professional image to a brand, and they get exposure for it. She is doing these things well, and you don't get the most exposure for the brand by playing only the local tournaments.

In that regard it might just be a brilliant move actually. You can sponsor any other "real pro" and get a little exposure all the time, and a little more here and there when and if they manage to win a tournament, or you can sponsor a bombshell who is trying to improve her game and that has great poise and personality and that will attract worldwide attention left and right all the time everywhere she goes.

So is Shanelle meeting the requirements for the tournaments that she is entering, which are open tournaments to anyone that can pay the entry? Check.

Is she having fun by doing something she really enjoys? Check.

Is she trying to gain experience and improve? Check.

Is she delivering on what she was hired to do, which is to represent a brand in a professional manner and get them exposure? In spades.

I just can't find any real fault with what she is doing. What has she does wrong? I understand the position that many people have (and even feel a bit of it myself) that you just don't want to see crappy players in tournaments (but it really isn't a good and rational reason), and because it is a "slap in the face" to the sport (not necessarily real and rational either). But A) this is like Karaoke, who am I to say who can and can't go up on stage to do a song on the OPEN mic. I may not like some of the singers, but tough crap for me. And B) even if you really want to insist on still thinking there is something wrong with it (even when it isn't really rational), it is the promoters fault for having open tournaments to begin with, not the persons fault who did nothing wrong by entering one. Lash out at all the promoters who make their tournaments "open" so you won't have to see those "crappy" players any more.

 

[buddha162]

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Hu

You're trying pretty hard to obscure the central issue: attractive, talentless individual gets paid to play some awful pool in a world class tournament. I don't have to be a sponsor, a player, or someone who have considered being a sponsor (like yourself, congrats on that distinction) to understand this very simple narrative.

 

[Luxury]

Like I said, big fish - small pond. Take a stroll in Soho, you'll clock a couple gals wayyy hotter every minute.

Lots of girls have good looks but watch out when they open their mouth. Have you seen Shanelle's interviews? She is the total package and her voice and personality is a huge part of the allure.

 

[Eric.]

Lots of girls have good looks but watch out when they open their mouth. Have you seen Shanelle's interviews? She is the total package and her voice and personality is a huge part of the allure.

Ok, relax, man, we get it; you have a major crush on Shanelle.

I think she's cute too but i think you want to throw her into the basement well and tell her "it rubs the lotion on the skin...".


Eric >hello, Clarisse

 

[buddha162]

Lots of girls have good looks but watch out when they open their mouth. Have you seen Shanelle's interviews? She is the total package and her voice and personality is a huge part of the allure.

Well look: we obviously have a different frame of reference.

 

[ShootingArts]

central issue?

You're trying pretty hard to obscure the central issue: attractive, talentless individual gets paid to play some awful pool in a world class tournament. I don't have to be a sponsor, a player, or someone who have considered being a sponsor (like yourself, congrats on that distinction) to understand this very simple narrative.

Apparently this is the central issue for you and a few more.

Relatively speaking the same is true of Jeanette Lee. She has been by far the top money earning pool player in the world most years despite not being the top female player, much less the top player overall. She earns her money more from looks, brains, and marketing than from pool ability. A handful of lady pool players have followed in her footsteps. If Shanelle is able to do the same more power to her. If not she is still a hell of a spokesmodel for her sponsors and her sport. That is a simple equation that most so called professional pool players haven't figured out. Most sponsors of players or events aren't sugar daddies, they expect to receive more from the sponsorship than they put into it. Unless there is value returned there is no business reason for an entity to sponsor anything.

Incidentally, I have sponsored individuals, teams, and events. You don't get my life story in one post. I was simply pointing out it takes a well rounded package to get and hold sponsorships, looks alone won't cut it.

Hu

 

[buddha162]

Relatively speaking the same is true of Jeanette Lee.

Jeanette Lee is a tireless self-promoter who makes up for her lack in skills with purely cynical, yellow-feverish slutness.

Having said that, J. Lee can give Shanelle the 6 out any day of the week.

Total package, good "spokesperson"...give it a rest. That we're talking about Shanelle at all is testament to the abysmal state of pool in this country. The fact that you feel compelled to obscure and obfuscate her merits by redefining the word "professional" shows that there exists not even a low, minimum standard to the game today.

 

[Poolplaya9]

You're trying pretty hard to obscure the central issue: attractive, talentless individual gets paid to play some awful pool in a world class tournament. I don't have to be a sponsor, a player, or someone who have considered being a sponsor (like yourself, congrats on that distinction) to understand this very simple narrative.

And you also are trying pretty hard to obscure the central issue: if talentless individuals shouldn't be playing in a certain event, then that event shouldn't be made "open" by the promoters.

The fault lies with the promoter that chose to make it an open event rather than limit it to the type of player that "should" be in it, and not on some girl that did nothing wrong other than follow the rules and enter an event to have fun, gain experience, and fulfill a job she was paid to do. Your gripe should be with the promoters, not with Shanelle.

 

[DogsPlayingPool]

And you also are trying pretty hard to obscure the central issue: if talentless individuals shouldn't be playing in a certain event, then that event shouldn't be made "open" by the promoters.

The fault lies with the promoter that chose to make it an open event rather than limit it to the type of player that "should" be in it, and not on some girl that did nothing wrong other than follow the rules and enter an event to have fun, gain experience, and fulfill a job she was paid to do. Your gripe should be with the promoters, not with Shanelle.

It's also not the player's fault that the promoter puts her on the stream table to get steamrolled rather than give us a different, more competitive match of say two world beating Asian gals that we otherwise get very little opportunity to see play.

 

[Luxury]

Ok, relax, man, we get it; you have a major crush on Shanelle.

I think she's cute too but i think you want to throw her into the basement well and tell her "it rubs the lotion on the skin...".


Eric >hello, Clarisse

Whoa! Where is YOUR mind at???

 

[buddha162]

It's also not the player's fault that the promoter puts her on the stream table to get steamrolled rather than give us a different, more competitive match of say two world beating Asian gals that we otherwise get very little opportunity to see play.

I agree with you there, although from what the commentators said they were quite "steamrolled" by how awful Shanelle Lorrain's game turned out to be.

 

[WhatsTheSpot]

There are MILLIONS of very hot girls across the world. What makes this one any different?

That's what I never got. Being an attractive girl is not such a great achievement, there are many many others.

 

[schmizz]

If it weren't for open events Ralph Macchio would never have become the Karate Kid and would still be getting his ass kicked by this guy. Think about it.

!

 

[ShootingArts]

Jeanette Lee is a tireless self-promoter who makes up for her lack in skills with purely cynical, yellow-feverish slutness.

Having said that, J. Lee can give Shanelle the 6 out any day of the week.

Total package, good "spokesperson"...give it a rest. That we're talking about Shanelle at all is testament to the abysmal state of pool in this country. The fact that you feel compelled to obscure and obfuscate her merits by redefining the word "professional" shows that there exists not even a low, minimum standard to the game today.

Ah, progress is being made! You may be a day late understanding what I said but you do have some grasp after all. There is hope! You are indeed correct, was there a core group of professional pool players making a living from purses competing in professional pool events we could use another definition of professional. Since there isn't such a group, we fall back on some of the other definitions of professional. If you check a dictionary you will find the one I used. I didn't redefine professional, no need to. To be a professional at anything involves profit. profit/professional, there is a connection there!

I'm proud of you! Light is starting to filter through, S-L-O-W-L-Y but hopefully surely!

Hu

 

[stumpie71]

I agree with you there, although from what the commentators said they were quite "steamrolled" by how awful Shanelle Lorrain's game turned out to be.

The matches I watched are in Mandarin. Is there a translator on You Tube or something? Kinda curious if there is because there are other things I would like to watch.

Back to Shanelle, her first match she had 2 shots and those were awful? I watched another and she missed 1 make-able shot and had 5 (?) shots total with several kicks. I believe she has qualified for several international tournaments too, what does that say about her competition?

 

[buddha162]

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Hu

This is making me rofl. My point about you is that you actually think you can square this circle with semantics. You're ten miles away from taking a snarky tone.

I'm not interested in finding a definition of "professional" that qualifies Shanelle Lorrain. My central point all along is that she can't play at pro level, that she has ZERO business competing in a professional level tournament, and that there are hundreds of individuals more deserving of such exposure.

 

[buddha162]

The matches I watched are in Mandarin. Is there a translator on You Tube or something? Kinda curious if there is because there are other things I would like to watch.

Back to Shanelle, her first match she had 2 shots and those were awful? I watched another and she missed 1 make-able shot and had 5 (?) shots total with several kicks. I believe she has qualified for several international tournaments too, what does that say about her competition?

I speak Mandarin.

I'd be interested to know what tournaments she qualified for. AFAIK, she never even competed in WPBA events.

 

[schmizz]

I speak Mandarin.

Take out menus don't count. :groucho:

 

[Poolplaya9]

My central point all along is that she can't play at pro level, that she has ZERO business competing in a professional level tournament...

Your gripe is with the promoter, who should never allow a tournament to be open if it is intended for pro level players. All Shanelle did was enter a tournament that was specifically set up to be open--certainly no crime. Your frustration/disappointment/anger is directed at the wrong person.

...there are hundreds of individuals more deserving of such exposure.

And there are quite a few, probably several dozen, that are more deserving of the exposure and income that Jeanette Lee gets when you take looks out of the equation and go with just skill. Shanelle isn't alone in this. Unfortunately that is life, looks count.

 

[Luxury]

Your gripe is with the promoter, who should never allow a tournament to be open if it is intended for pro level players. All Shanelle did was enter a tournament that was specifically set up to be open--certainly no crime. Your frustration/disappointment/anger is directed at the wrong person.


And there are quite a few, probably several dozen, that are more deserving of the exposure and income that Jeanette Lee gets when you take looks out of the equation and go with just skill. Shanelle isn't alone in this. Unfortunately that is life, looks count.

Yes, looks count big time. So does charisma, charm, overall good energy that Jeanette has.

Guess what? Shanelle has a lot of good stuff besides her looks as well.

Most of those Women pro players are amazing players but really boring otherwise.