IF You've Ever Asked RKC for Table Advice..

Shawn Armstrong

AZB deceased - stopped posting 5/13/2022
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Let me try and break this down in simpleton language so that you may have a chance to understand. March 28th at 11pm i was coming out of Toppenish Wa on west 1st street heading to Hwy 97 to go back home a mile down the hwy to my shop. There hadn't been any snow in 6 weeks, and since i live right along side the hwy i had seen the street sweepers clean the hwy, just as the week before, the city had cleaned their streets....BUT, no one had cleaned the on ramp from 1st st to the hwy, later found out. Now keep in mind, 45 yrs driving, I've never had an accident, and on THIS motorcycle i had already rode it over 22,000 miles in the last 12 months...OK. Now follow along with me now, it's dark, wet, raining slightly, speed on 1st street is 35mph, on ramp is just a slight right turn to get on the hwy....no speed restrictions on the on ramp, straight past the on ramp is an intersection with a traffic light, green for those on the hwy...OK, following with me so far? Now let me fill you in with a few details you don't seem to know about, and that you seem to be unaware of. On the on ramp, there is no painted white line on the right side of the black top to indicate the roads edge....and its DARK...OK? So now, when the road is wet, the LAST place you want to ride a motorcycle is in the center of the roadway uless you're a newbie, stupid, or begging for an accident because....what does wet pavement bring out on the blacktop....the OIL drippings from automobiles causing the CENTER line of the lane to be as slippery as ICE....OK? So that leaves riding in the left tire tracks on the roadway and on ramp as the safest part of the road...OK? Now, picture me riding, turning off 1st street entering the hwy on ramp, no lite up intersection, raining slightly, 11pm traveling at about 35mph....OK? Now, about half way througjh the on ramp rurn, judging where you're at based upon the WHITE line on the LEFT side of the on ramp which is also the indicator as to when you can safely merge onto the hwy. Now, as i look over my left shoulder i see there's an 18 wheeler coming down the hwy heading in the same direction I'll be traveling, but he's about a football field back, so once seeing the hwy is safe to merge onto, i just start to increase my speed and get ready to shife from 3rd into 4th gear.....all of a sudden, because my bike is leaning slightly to the right because afterall it is a right turn....my rear tire skidded out to the left of my bikes centerline....and started to fall to the right side, BUT....before it could fall over, as soon as i let off the gas, the rear tire caught traction and hopped to the right....passed my bikes centerline so far, the bike laid over on it's left side, trapping my left leg against the blacktop and the bike. Then in a split second the bike slid off my left leg, taking my left shoe and sock off because my foot was still under the shifter, in which once free from the bike i turned sideways, tucked my hands and arms in close to my chest, tried to get my legs straight and together, but not fast enougjh as my right foot got turned out to the right, twisting my right knee in the process before i could get my legs together and straight....so that i could roll like a hotdog until i stopped. During the process of bouncing and rolling i saw the 18 wheeler change lanes from the outside lane to the inside lane as to avoid any chance of running over me. Now, before i could get uo, the state patrol had 2 cars at the accident site as well as 2 more from Toppenish....and AFTER their investigation the state patrol determined the cauze of the accident was because of the loose sand and gravel that hadn't been cleaned off the on ramp....AND DID NOT ISSUE ME A CITATION FOR BEING AT FAULT FOR THE ACCIDENT....got that, all cleared up for you now?

Glen, I ride motorcycles. Have ridden them for almost 30 years. I understand what you're saying in the above, but you got one thing slightly incorrect. Actually, the correct spot to ride when it's raining IS the centre of the lane. Yes, the oil and antifreeze and whatever other chemicals that have dripped on the road may be there, but due to cars and trucks pressing down on the road, there are ruts in the road in the right and left tire lines. This can create channels of water, on which you will hydroplane on a motorcycle. Some road riders know this. Every single track rider knows this. If you stay upright, and in the middle, you will stay pretty safe in the rain. To say that only new riders ride in the middle during rain is just false. Experienced riders know to move to the middle once it gets wet. And your best bet during rain is to park your bike for 15-20 minutes, let the rain wash the centre line for you, and then go on your way.

Hoping you have a speedy recovery.
 

PoppaSaun

Banned
You skills of working on a United pool table don't impress me whatsoever, try your skills at taking a missmatched GC frame and make the surface level to within .0010 of an inch everywhere, here, I'll show you what i mean because you won't see this from another living being working on pool tables.

Does anyone actually believe this blowhard's BS? He's saying that he created a surface 4'x8' flat and level to within one one-thousandth of an inch. In a garage. Out of wood. With a homemade gantry running a two-hundred dollar router.

He then checked it with a beat-up machinist level and a bar of aluminum stock?

This guy is ridiculous.
 

realkingcobra

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Silver Member
Glen, I ride motorcycles. Have ridden them for almost 30 years. I understand what you're saying in the above, but you got one thing slightly incorrect. Actually, the correct spot to ride when it's raining IS the centre of the lane. Yes, the oil and antifreeze and whatever other chemicals that have dripped on the road may be there, but due to cars and trucks pressing down on the road, there are ruts in the road in the right and left tire lines. This can create channels of water, on which you will hydroplane on a motorcycle. Some road riders know this. Every single track rider knows this. If you stay upright, and in the middle, you will stay pretty safe in the rain. To say that only new riders ride in the middle during rain is just false. Experienced riders know to move to the middle once it gets wet. And your best bet during rain is to park your bike for 15-20 minutes, let the rain wash the centre line for you, and then go on your way.

Hoping you have a speedy recovery.
In general i would agree with you, but fresh rain, no standing water on the road, going into a banked turn, leaning over to address the turn, i still don't feel the centerline is the safest to ride, have had many fishtail experiences to keep testing my luck. But riding straight down the road, you bet, I've encountered the hydroplaning as well to know to ride on the hump and slow my freeway speeds down. It wasn't raining when i rode to the 7-11 to get something to drink, it started raining while i was in the store, which is only 1 1/2 miles from where i was living at the time. Toppenish is in a desert, when it rains you can see the road oils on the road like gas on water, because there isn't enough rain to keep them washed off the road.
 

realkingcobra

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Does anyone actually believe this blowhard's BS? He's saying that he created a surface 4'x8' flat and level to within one one-thousandth of an inch. In a garage. Out of wood. With a homemade gantry running a two-hundred dollar router.

He then checked it with a beat-up machinist level and a bar of aluminum stock?

This guy is ridiculous.

Well hell there buddy, you must have a better way of matching up a missmatched GC frame then, why don't you post your work, or are you just better at running your mouth;)
 

realkingcobra

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Looks like its cutting down to a flat surface to me, what do you think?
 

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realkingcobra

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Does anyone actually believe this blowhard's BS? He's saying that he created a surface 4'x8' flat and level to within one one-thousandth of an inch. In a garage. Out of wood. With a homemade gantry running a two-hundred dollar router.

He then checked it with a beat-up machinist level and a bar of aluminum stock?

This guy is ridiculous.

It's always the ones that can't do that complain about those that CAN do:rolleyes:
 

realkingcobra

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Does anyone actually believe this blowhard's BS? He's saying that he created a surface 4'x8' flat and level to within one one-thousandth of an inch. In a garage. Out of wood. With a homemade gantry running a two-hundred dollar router.

He then checked it with a beat-up machinist level and a bar of aluminum stock?

This guy is ridiculous.

Think a better straight edge would show this frame to be more flat?
 

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realkingcobra

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Does anyone actually believe this blowhard's BS? He's saying that he created a surface 4'x8' flat and level to within one one-thousandth of an inch. In a garage. Out of wood. With a homemade gantry running a two-hundred dollar router.

He then checked it with a beat-up machinist level and a bar of aluminum stock?

This guy is ridiculous.

If you think that is something, then you're going to love the 39 point leveling system and steel plate joined slates turning the 3 piece slate into a free floating 1 piece slate that uses no slate screws to mount it to the frame of the table...LOL then i can fine tune the slate to dead level....AFTER i assemble the table completely....lmao.
 

realkingcobra

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Nah, it's those who can do and understand things that point out false claims made by charlatans.

It's always the "post your work" that tells the truth about people like you, you never post it because then you expose the real work you do....hack work!
 

mchnhed

I Came, I Shot, I Choked
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You and i have had run ins before, you were a hack back then as you still are now:rolleyes:

Yesh?....show your work...hack! Don't be bashful about it...LOL

Nah, it's those who can do and understand things that point out false claims made by charlatans.

Are you a table mechanic? If so, tell us all about your work.

He's an Engineer so he must know all about Billiards Tables.
 

PoppaSaun

Banned
You and i have had run ins before, you were a hack back then as you still are now:rolleyes:

Ya' know, the saddest part about you is that you do decent enough work. You don't have to make claims like how you are the only living person who can do something. I guarantee that I work with 50 guys who could do what you do, as well as you do it. We choose to, instead, design and build multi-million dollar CNC machines.

Your methods are clever and they obviously get results which are good enough for playing pool.

You claimed that you were '...level to .0010" everywhere...'. That is the same as saying that it is flat to 0.001". That is one-third of the thickness of a sheet of notebook paper. You don't have a method to measure that. I guarantee this because you would need nearly $100,000 in hardware to measure that. That wood will move more than 0.001" with a temperature change of only a few degrees.

Charlatan.
 

realkingcobra

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He's an Engineer so he must know all about Billiards Tables.

Which goes back to what i always say, the hardest jobs in the world are made easy by those that don't have to do them! Sure there's better ways of cutting a GC frame to flat, cnc machines can do it...great, can't load one in my truck and take it on the road with me and set it up for the next job i do, my system works, and its portable!
 
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