Illustration of BHE....

Wow... when will this end? :rolleyes: BHE, Parallel, etc... works. It's a matter of preference. I'll use any of the type based on my shoot selection. I prefer CenterBall most of the time.

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"It's dependent upon the bridge position" -- got it. What was that position though -- looked somewhere between 10 and 12"? See if I got this right:

a. Line up
b. "Body" pivot (leaving bridge in place and moving body and cue simultaneously) "two" tips left/right depending on the position you are going for.
c. With medium/more speed, pull the trigger.

I assume that if the object ball was not straight in, one could line up, let's say "CTE style", for step "a" and then both b and c would be the same!?

In essence then, you are throwing the ball in right?
 
Jaden said:
I had actually recorded this as a response to a comment made by Patrick Johnson in another thread, but I think it also merits it's own thread to help show that BHE really works and is viable.

Hope you enjoy and please forgive the slightly condescending exhuberant attitude...:)

JAden

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3W3RumDXmk
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Nice job on the video. There's no doubt BHE works. Nice visual with the cue on the table too. :thumbup:
 
cmbwsu said:
"It's dependent upon the bridge position" -- got it. What was that position though -- looked somewhere between 10 and 12"? See if I got this right:

a. Line up
b. "Body" pivot (leaving bridge in place and moving body and cue simultaneously) "two" tips left/right depending on the position you are going for.
c. With medium/more speed, pull the trigger.

I assume that if the object ball was not straight in, one could line up, let's say "CTE style", for step "a" and then both b and c would be the same!?

In essence then, you are throwing the ball in right?
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correct on all counts from what I can tell. You can use it on a slow shot too if the CB is close enough to the OB for swerve to be minimal.

The shot in the video wasn't straight in, I mispoke myself. You can tell there is slight angle by the rebound angle of the CB.

All three shots have different rebound angles and the last one helps to show that I am TRULY using inside by the way it kills of the foot rail.

But it works from almost any angle as well. The angle that I chose for the video was completely random.

Cheers,

Jaden
 
Thanks....

eezbank said:
Nice job on the video. There's no doubt BHE works. Nice visual with the cue on the table too. :thumbup:
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Yeah, I had tried to position the camera directly overhead so it would be easy to see the angles, but there's not enough room to get a wide enough shot with this camera.

Then I was thinking after I first shot the no english shot, and I realized I could show the repetition of the angle of the initial aimline by putting a cue on the table.


Jaden.
 
Jaden said:
correct on all counts from what I can tell. You can use it on a slow shot too if the CB is close enough to the OB for swerve to be minimal.

The shot in the video wasn't straight in, I mispoke myself. You can tell there is slight angle by the rebound angle of the CB.

All three shots have different rebound angles and the last one helps to show that I am TRULY using inside by the way it kills of the foot rail.

But it works from almost any angle as well. The angle that I chose for the video was completely random.

Cheers,

Jaden
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Thanks Jaden. I did notice the cue ball reaction.

As for BlowFish's comment -- we all try to use center ball "most of the time"; however, layouts and position play sometimes dictates otherwise.:grin:

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Well.....the thing is.....

cmbwsu said:
Thanks Jaden. I did notice the cue ball reaction.

As for BlowFish's comment -- we all try to use center ball "most of the time"; however, layouts and position play sometimes dictates otherwise.:grin:

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The thing is that the game completely changes once you can consistently use side spin. It changes so much that there aren't many shots that you won't use it once you are confident that it won't significantly alter your chances of making a shot.

Instead of using follow going three rails when you're a smidgen out of line, you can use inside and change the rebound angle so that the CB doesn't drift too far on the initial aimline's tangent.

It gets extremely advanced and I'm sure that many of you out there already know much of it.

You can more consistently change rebound angles of bank shots when other balls are in the way, etc...etc....

There are soo many different view points on this website and many newer players or players that have been playing by feel, don't know who to listen to.

I mean I remember a thread where people were claiming that side spin doesn't transfer to the OB from the CB, and that is wasily proven wrong with a bank shot.

This is what gets me, and I have admitted that at times I have been wrong on certain aspects of the game.

When I first came on the site me and Colin got into some pretty heated discussions and a couple of times we were talking about the same thing just referring to it differently and a couple of times I had to defer to him and agree that he was right and I was wrong.

Oh well.

Have a nice new years....

Jaden
 
Jaden said:
I had actually recorded this as a response to a comment made by Patrick Johnson in another thread, but I think it also merits it's own thread to help show that BHE really works and is viable.

Hope you enjoy and please forgive the slightly condescending exhuberant attitude...:)

JAden

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3W3RumDXmk
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We used to call that "inside english", but I'm just an old fart who'd probably miss that shot anyway. ;)
 
yeah right.....

jay helfert said:
We used to call that "inside english", but I'm just an old fart who'd probably miss that shot anyway. ;)
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Next thing you'll be telling me that you need 10-8 in one pocket...lol.....

HAppy New Year "old fart"


:grin: :grin: :grin: :thumbup:

Jaden
 
Jaden said:
Next thing you'll be telling me that you need 10-8 in one pocket...lol.....

HAppy New Year "old fart"


:grin: :grin: :grin: :thumbup:

Jaden
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He's not old, he is just poolitically incorrect. Happy New Year.

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Maybe I've missed something. Has someone said that bhe doesn't work?
 
Jaden said:
I had actually recorded this as a response to a comment made by Patrick Johnson in another thread, but I think it also merits it's own thread to help show that BHE really works and is viable.

Hope you enjoy and please forgive the slightly condescending exhuberant attitude...:)

JAden

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3W3RumDXmk
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Nice video Jaden. I've posted it up on my new blog for those who'd like to take a look.
www.thepoolpack.com

btw: I'm not sure that pj is saying BHE doesn't work, just that it requires adjustments and the adjustments would appear to be very complex due to all the variables.

FWIW, I've found that the adjustments are not as difficult to overcome as one might tend to imagine, especially for the typical shots where one is likely to attempt english.

Colin
 
One of Joe Tucker's free videos on YouTube explains BHE english very well. Also BHE is NOT dependent on bridge position. How much you can use and when is just like (misnamed) Parallel English, dependent on the conditions, such as ball types, cloth type, humidity level, cue type, and so on......which all boils down to personal judgement.

Parallel English is a myth. There is no such thing. When a person applies sidespin using PE (for lack of a better term) to the cueball and is aiming at the spot which will cause the cueball to hit a certain spot AND they apply sidepsin using BHE then the cue stick is in EXACTLY the same position in relation to the table, balls, and rails. EXACTLY.

The only difference is the position of the shooter's body relative to the shot. Using BHE the shooter's position does not waver from center ball but the cuestick does. Using SE (shifted English) the shooter changes their physical body position to address the cueball on the shifted line.

The cuestick however is ON THE EXACT SAME LINE if the SHIFTED ENGLISH estimate is correct.

It is my personal experience that Back Hand English is easier to use and is probably intuitive when people begin playing pool BEFORE they are POISONED with the INACCURATE concept of parallel English though instructionals and instructors who don't know any better.

Joe Tucker postulates that the better players use a combination of Shifted English (formerly known as Parallel English) and Backhand English automatically. I concur.

I believe that Backhand English would occur naturally if people are not instructed to do otherwise. It is my opinion that the use of the term Parallel English and the subsequent explanation of what it is takes people in the WRONG direction. Thus the concept of BHE seems completely revolutionary and controversial when in fact, it exists naturally and was not fully described or espoused until the internet age when people began discussing it through newsgroups.

I submit to you all that well meaning authors have taken millions of players in the wrong direction by advancing the term "Parallel English".
 
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Nice job Jaden....thanks.

I've been using BHE for years with less problems than normal. I even teach BHE in our X.O.P.Class......SPF=randyg
 
Jaden said:
I had actually recorded this as a response to a comment made by Patrick Johnson in another thread, but I think it also merits it's own thread to help show that BHE really works and is viable.

Hope you enjoy and please forgive the slightly condescending exhuberant attitude...:)

JAden

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3W3RumDXmk
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"It depends on the bridge position" is an incomplete statement. You should add: "and the bridge position depends on the pivot point position."

For instance, in the video you use a long bridge (12 inches?). Have you tried BHE with that cue using a 6-inch bridge?

pj
chgo

P.S. I've never said or implied that BHE doesn't work. You misunderstood my comment in the other thread (I've explained it further there).
 
short and sweet

Jaden said:
I had actually recorded this as a response to a comment made by Patrick Johnson in another thread, but I think it also merits it's own thread to help show that BHE really works and is viable.

Hope you enjoy and please forgive the slightly condescending exhuberant attitude...:)

JAden

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3W3RumDXmk
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Nice short and sweet BHE video. FYI (to you and others), I have links to other videos and resources related to BHE here:

Again, nice job,
Dave
 
JB:
BHE is NOT dependent on bridge position.
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Maybe you meant to say something else, but this statement is plainly false.

If you pivot your cue at your bridge to get it to its final angle (i.e., if you use BHE), then obviously your bridge position determines where the cue ball goes.

pj
chgo
 
There's a site where a bunch of the low deflection shafts were tested but I cannont, for the life of me, remember it. Where is that test?
 
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