I'm scared to death and....

G

Grady

Pro Player
I'm scared to death and you should be too. Danny Medina getting robbed in Las Vegas doesn't surprise me at all.It has been a steadily deteriorating city for years. I used to have a place I stayed there that was completely safe and reasonable but that's now a crack neighborhood.You can't go to the action pool room at night without risking your life.
I went to a national sexual predator website the other day, just to see if my area was relatively ok for my family. 238 of these lowlifes live within 5 miles of my house, two of them within a mile and we live in a nice neighborhood.
It saddens me that there just isn't any accountability with drugs and sex crimes.While I'm at it I might as well get this off my chest, too. We have some pool players who are indiscriminately sowing their seed hither and yon, without any regard for the consequences. One guy has six, count em', six out of wedlock and unsupported children.
I know this post isn't going to do any good but I feel much better stating these things. I really believe that if we don't get a president who'll do what has to be done, we'll end up with a horrible civil war, one the nice folks can't win.
 
The world is deteriorating every day. Every city is getting worse and worse, and things like what happened to Danny Medina should serve as a wake up call for everyone. Most people who hear about terrible crimes being comitted don't really care, they think it only happens to 'other people', until something like that happens to them or someone they are close to. It's sad but true.
 
While I Sympathize.....

Respectfully.....I don't think what's happening on a local or community level has anything to do with the President.....I'll cite as an example New York City which for years under Rep and Dem Presidents alike wasn't a very nice place to visit.....It took a Mayor who was willing to make a stand to clean New York up and make it the kind of place people wanted to visit......

The point I'm making is that we need to clean our own communities up first and foremost and focus on real crime that hurts real people.......

Here's my soapbox rant......Prohibition is what causes crime....in the 30's it led to the rise of guys like Capone ...In the 80's the crack trade fostered the crips and bloods and all the gang violence surrounding the crack trade. If crack or heroin were legal I wouldn't run out and start doing them......but neither would there be turf warfare for those things that can be purchased legally. The last gang violence surrounding alcohol was during prohibition.....and I've never heard of a wino robbing someone so he could get a shot of Ripple....
Prohibiting any commodity breeds a black market...and results in people willing to do anything to control it....after all they're already breaking the law....

Sure Drugs destroy lives but so Does Abortion....so tell me why it's legal for a woman to terminate a life (some on the extreme would say murder) but I'll get locked up for smoking something that grows out of the ground....Seems a little off the mark to me....

But that's just one Bangers opinion.....

McCue Banger McCue
 
You would think after the first few bastard kids he would have wised up. Doug is this shining example of fatherhood a Florida player?
 
Grady, do you really belive a different president is going to make people more accountable for their actions???:eek:
 
DelaWho??? said:
Respectfully.....I don't think what's happening on a local or community level has anything to do with the President.....I'll cite as an example New York City which for years under Rep and Dem Presidents alike wasn't a very nice place to visit.....It took a Mayor who was willing to make a stand to clean New York up and make it the kind of place people wanted to visit......

The point I'm making is that we need to clean our own communities up first and foremost and focus on real crime that hurts real people.......

Here's my soapbox rant......Prohibition is what causes crime....in the 30's it led to the rise of guys like Capone ...In the 80's the crack trade fostered the crips and bloods and all the gang violence surrounding the crack trade. If crack or heroin were legal I wouldn't run out and start doing them......but neither would there be turf warfare for those things that can be purchased legally. The last gang violence surrounding alcohol was during prohibition.....and I've never heard of a wino robbing someone so he could get a shot of Ripple....
Prohibiting any commodity breeds a black market...and results in people willing to do anything to control it....after all they're already breaking the law....

Sure Drugs destroy lives but so Does Abortion....so tell me why it's legal for a woman to terminate a life (some on the extreme would say murder) but I'll get locked up for smoking something that grows out of the ground....Seems a little off the mark to me....

But that's just one Bangers opinion.....

McCue Banger McCue
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i don't think making drugs legal is the answer either.
in my area crimes are commited by the drugs users as well as the drug dealers.why?hooked on drugs,can't work,can't supply drug habit,need a fix.what to do?well first it starts off with them selling their stuff.when thats gone they steal their families stuff.moms jewlery,dads golf clubs,sis' bob collection,brothers custom nitti that they get $20.00 for at the local pawnshop.then family catches on and has nothing to do with them.so then they steal your stuff.first it's spare change from your car,then it's home invasion,then cornerstores and whatnot.

if you make drugs legal,when the users can no longer work because of their addiction,they will turn to crime to pay for their habit.

as i'm writing this so help me god,i just looked at the morning paper and my friends daughter is on the front page.busted for heroin.
 
sliprock said:
Vegas was so much nicer when the Gangsters ran things...Seriously.
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You know, come to think of it, you're right. I used to go there in the old days and there were virtually no petty thieves and criminals.
In those days, the mob guys would get rid of them permanently! It was one strike and you're out.
 
Grady said:
I'm scared to death and you should be too. Danny Medina getting robbed in Las Vegas doesn't surprise me at all.It has been a steadily deteriorating city for years. I used to have a place I stayed there that was completely safe and reasonable but that's now a crack neighborhood.You can't go to the action pool room at night without risking your life.
I went to a national sexual predator website the other day, just to see if my area was relatively ok for my family. 238 of these lowlifes live within 5 miles of my house, two of them within a mile and we live in a nice neighborhood.
It saddens me that there just isn't any accountability with drugs and sex crimes.While I'm at it I might as well get this off my chest, too. We have some pool players who are indiscriminately sowing their seed hither and yon, without any regard for the consequences. One guy has six, count em', six out of wedlock and unsupported children.
I know this post isn't going to do any good but I feel much better stating these things. I really believe that if we don't get a president who'll do what has to be done, we'll end up with a horrible civil war, one the nice folks can't win.
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> One guy has six, count em', six out of
> wedlock and unsupported children.

are you referring to the puerto rican "people's champion"? :)

poolmouse
 
what part of town Grady. i live in vegas and where i live it is nice. i live in the northwest end of summerlin
 
The judges who WERE lawyers need to put the guilty in jail. Not plea bargain, probation, and let off the hook for turning states evidence on others. And of course if you have money or are connected to the right party you walk. Johnnyt
 
havoc said:
i don't think making drugs legal is the answer either.
in my area crimes are commited by the drugs users as well as the drug dealers.why?hooked on drugs,can't work,can't supply drug habit,need a fix.what to do?well first it starts off with them selling their stuff.when thats gone they steal their families stuff.moms jewlery,dads golf clubs,sis' bob collection,brothers custom nitti that they get $20.00 for at the local pawnshop.then family catches on and has nothing to do with them.so then they steal your stuff.first it's spare change from your car,then it's home invasion,then cornerstores and whatnot.

if you make drugs legal,when the users can no longer work because of their addiction,they will turn to crime to pay for their habit.

as i'm writing this so help me god,i just looked at the morning paper and my friends daughter is on the front page.busted for heroin.
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You did not address even ONE of the arguments havoc made about the drug wars in America. You basically said nothing but your opinion. Where's your facts? You call for more violence in America, but have no reasoning behind that.

Note the big lie: We can't make drugs "legal." That's an illusion of the lawmakers. Drugs, and anything else an individual wants to own, is the individual's business and none others. The lawmakers created an unconstitutional prohibiton-law preventing this freedom. So, the correct way to look at the drug war is to call for "repeal of prohibition," not "legalization." Note the difference in how this reveals that a previously held freedom has been taken away by immoral law, vs. the "we own your body" mentality so prevelant in today's poly-tik-ans' thinking (and I use the term "thinking" loosely).

How could your friend's daughter have been arrested for herion?
Why didn't the drug laws (if they're such a good, useful thing) stop her from being able to acquire herion?
If the drug, herion, is "illegal," does that mean she could not steal to pay for it, as your argument claims that, if drugs are "legal," people will steal to get the drugs? Why not steal for illegal drugs, too?

A comparison: Shoes are worn by everyone, aren't they? Yet drugs are not used by everyone. Since everyone wants shoes, why don't we have shoot-outs in the streets protecting the shoe businesses, like what happens in the drug businesses? I mean, everyone wants shoes, so shouldn't the govt. control that market, too? Couldn't the terrorists take over the shoe business and then if you bought shoes, you'd be helping the terrorists?

What if your friend's daughter got arrested for possessing the wrong shoes, as she did for possessing the wrong drug? Would that make shoes the problem or would the problem lie elsewhere?

Jeff Livingston
 
wakuljr said:
what part of town Grady. i live in vegas and where i live it is nice. i live in the northwest end of summerlin
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I lived in Vegas for 5 years...the area you live is brand new and nice for sure....now go straight east from there into N. Las Vegas and, oh yeah, bring your gun....LOLz...sit at the corner of M.L.K. Blvd. and Bonanza and you'll see....

I used to play at Las Vegas Cue Club....at night you COULD be taking a chance but I never seemed to feel like I would get robbed or anything there....most of the time when a player gets robbed is when someone knows they're carrying a roll of cash....
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chefjeff said:
Note the big lie: We can't make drugs "legal." That's an illusion of the lawmakers. Drugs, and anything else an individual wants to own, is the individual's business and none others. The lawmakers created an unconstitutional prohibiton-law preventing this freedom. So, the correct way to look at the drug war is to call for "repeal of prohibition," not "legalization." Note the difference in how this reveals that a previously held freedom has been taken away by immoral law, vs. the "we own your body" mentality so prevelant in today's poly-tik-ans' thinking (and I use the term "thinking" loosely).
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As always, Jeff, you make some great points in your post, and I agree with much of what you wrote.

Still, it is your statement "drugs, and anything else an individual wants to own, is the individual's business and none others" that is a bit disturbing to me. Certainly, there is ample evidence for the fact that one's ownership of drugs bears on more than just the life of the owner.

Do you object to regulation of the market for plutonium, bombs, explosives and guns? In the movie "Back to the Future," Christopher Llloyd (rationalizing theft of plutonium from some Arabs) notes, amusingly but seriously, to Michael J. Fox that "maybe plutonium is something you can buy in any corner drug store in 1985, but here in 1955 it is pretty tough to come by." Let's hope that day doesn't arrive in our lifetime.

A society with free access to all products, services and commodities, would, in my view, be a very flawed one.
 
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sjm said:
As always, Jeff, you make some great points in your post, and I agree with much of what you wrote.

Still, it is your statement "drugs, and anything else an individual wants to own, is the individual's business and none others" is a bit disturbing to me. Certainly, there is ample evidence for the fact that one's ownership of drugs bears on more than just the life of the owner.

Do you object to regulation of the market for plutonium, bombs, explosives and guns? In the movie "Back to the Future," Christopher Llloyd (rationalizing theft of plutonium form some Arabs) notes, amusingly but seriously, to Michael J. Fox that "maybe plutonium is something you can buy in any corner drug store in 1985, but here in 1955 it is pretty tough to come by." Let's hope that day doesn't arrive in our lifetime.

A society with free access to all products, services and commodities, would, in my view, be a very flawed one.
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Excellent post, SJM!

Flex
 
DelaWho??? said:
Respectfully.....I don't think what's happening on a local or community level has anything to do with the President.....I'll cite as an example New York City which for years under Rep and Dem Presidents alike wasn't a very nice place to visit.....It took a Mayor who was willing to make a stand to clean New York up and make it the kind of place people wanted to visit......
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Incidentally, I think the wave of violence in New York from the 70s to early 90s was contrived.

I mean, the NYPD had express orders to underservice certain parts of town, and very little incentive to do any policing aside from a few pockets of wealth within the city.

The fluctuations that crime created in the real estate market made the smarter investors rich, though revisionism has it that everyone during that time was making less money. Buy cheap, sell dear...

NOW, the NYPD is simply doing its job. Why??? Because with the debt-generated real estate boom, New York is again gaining in out-of-town rentiers and tax payers.

Though crime here could have been controlled much earlier, it took moneyed newcomers for a Giuliani to win City Hall and put the cops to work. Money was the incentive, not the guy's conscience...

I doubt the real estate hyperinflation will last forever, we'll see what happens to New York then.
 
chefjeff said:
You did not address even ONE of the arguments havoc made about the drug wars in America. You basically said nothing but your opinion. Where's your facts? You call for more violence in America, but have no reasoning behind that.

Note the big lie: We can't make drugs "legal." That's an illusion of the lawmakers. Drugs, and anything else an individual wants to own, is the individual's business and none others. The lawmakers created an unconstitutional prohibiton-law preventing this freedom. So, the correct way to look at the drug war is to call for "repeal of prohibition," not "legalization." Note the difference in how this reveals that a previously held freedom has been taken away by immoral law, vs. the "we own your body" mentality so prevelant in today's poly-tik-ans' thinking (and I use the term "thinking" loosely).

How could your friend's daughter have been arrested for herion?
Why didn't the drug laws (if they're such a good, useful thing) stop her from being able to acquire herion?
If the drug, herion, is "illegal," does that mean she could not steal to pay for it, as your argument claims that, if drugs are "legal," people will steal to get the drugs? Why not steal for illegal drugs, too?

A comparison: Shoes are worn by everyone, aren't they? Yet drugs are not used by everyone. Since everyone wants shoes, why don't we have shoot-outs in the streets protecting the shoe businesses, like what happens in the drug businesses? I mean, everyone wants shoes, so shouldn't the govt. control that market, too? Couldn't the terrorists take over the shoe business and then if you bought shoes, you'd be helping the terrorists?

What if your friend's daughter got arrested for possessing the wrong shoes, as she did for possessing the wrong drug? Would that make shoes the problem or would the problem lie elsewhere?

Jeff Livingston
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oh i agree.make it legal and drug wars will probably end,but is that going to stop people from robbing,or killing others when they have no means to buy legal drugs?
people have been killed for the air jordans back in the day.there were those who could afford them and those who couldn't. some people who wanted them but couldn't afford them saved their pennies,or went with out,but some beat ppl for them and some even killed for them.
so if ppl in this nation are willing to hurt,mame and kill over footware,tell me they won't resort to illegal tatics to pay for their legal drugs.

i know ppl who were beaten for pizzas.my point is that making drugs legal is not going to rid us of drug related crimes unless they're free and limitless.

and where's your proof?is prohibition your proof?after prohibition the mob just looked for other avenues to make a buck.so we legalize drugs and all the drug dealers will get regular jobs because they were only in the business to provide a service to the community that wasn't available but should have been. they will lead productive lives in society now that drugs are legal.they will do the same,look for other illegal ways to make money.so eventually we'll just make everything legal to make everyone happy.hey will be living in the old west.
 
Grady said:
I'm scared to death and you should be too. Danny Medina getting robbed in Las Vegas doesn't surprise me at all.It has been a steadily deteriorating city for years. I used to have a place I stayed there that was completely safe and reasonable but that's now a crack neighborhood.You can't go to the action pool room at night without risking your life.
I went to a national sexual predator website the other day, just to see if my area was relatively ok for my family. 238 of these lowlifes live within 5 miles of my house, two of them within a mile and we live in a nice neighborhood.
It saddens me that there just isn't any accountability with drugs and sex crimes.While I'm at it I might as well get this off my chest, too. We have some pool players who are indiscriminately sowing their seed hither and yon, without any regard for the consequences. One guy has six, count em', six out of wedlock and unsupported children.
I know this post isn't going to do any good but I feel much better stating these things. I really believe that if we don't get a president who'll do what has to be done, we'll end up with a horrible civil war, one the nice folks can't win.
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It's prevalent everywhere. Pool players can be more susceptible because they can be fingered and set up. I remember years back players being robbed. I remember Big Bob being robbed and it seemed like the match may have been a scam to start with just to rob him. I used to rail against the system trying to change things even running for political office but lately I just don't care anymore. My wife and I are right now building a new house on 12 secluded acres and the hell with it all.

My friends say I am just running away, their right, I am running away. Last week I was walking out to the back building to throw some laundry in and I see a woman in my front yard. I walk out there and she is stealing my plants right out of the ground. She ran to her car that had a guy behind the wheel and they sped off. I'm tired of it, I can't fix the world but I can sure improve mine and that's what we are doing. I used to go to Vegas every year but haven't been there in a few years and could not imagine even going there anymore.
 
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