In regards to Earl and various racks, racking

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u12armresl

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I simply say this to you.

Is it more of a feat to break and run 11 racks not having any idea where balls will end up, and having to come with a shot right off the bat to get into the game

OR

To pattern rack, make the same wing ball every time and have the 1 ball be ready for 1 or 2 pockets each time.

Earl has a valid complaint, soft breaks are not only boring, but it keeps people uninterested in things.

Who cares if you are #1 in the world if it is based on a gaff. I don't take anything away from the people's ability to play pool, just the feature of the rack your own, pattern rack, rack using this special rack or that special rack.

The open format is good, but there needs to be something in place to stop the soft breaking and get back to pool if people want to make a living playing pool, fans have to be interested and Earl saying people are breaking like they are throwing their wallet at the rack is true and drives people (not the hardcore already there pool fans) the new people who could become fans away.

Comments or opinions appreciated.
 
If a hard break yields poor results why do it.

I would like to know how pattern racking helps you make the wing ball.

Sitting here at the open watching efren warm up. He is working on his cut break to see what speed is needed to make the one in the side.

Want me to tell him to hit the balls as hard as he can?
 
If the rules allow, why not choose the most efficient game to approach the game? Yes there can be arguments and disagreements on how the game has played, but in my opinion, whoever doesn't choose to play the most efficient way in compliance to the rules is a fool
 
Also, even if you pattern rack and make the wing ball every time. Your ability to develop such a consistent way to break is not natural, you actually have to practice it. If it is as easy as it sounds, then we should be seeing a lot of 11-0 matches in the US Open, whoever breaks first wins.
 
Tony_in_MD said:
If a hard break yields poor results why do it.
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because it's in the U.S. Open rules....that's simple enough.

Right here...."NO soft Breaks"


Velocity is key to determining a proper break. Players must break the balls with proper speed and it will not be a foul if three balls do not pass the headstring. Players must make an honest attempt to break the balls. A foul will not be called if a player breaks with velocity.
 
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Been here since tuesday and watched every match on the tv table. I have not seen any break yet that would violate that rule. Including earls match.

What do we need to do now put a speedgun on every table?
 
What I find hilarious is that when guys like Earl, Johnny, and Tony Elin first came along all the old dog pros complained that they had this 'unfair advantage' and that their huge breaks were 'taking the play out of the game'.

Then Corey Deuel comes along and figures out how to run more racks than all those guys put together and right away you get the old dogs *****ing and complaining about how he's ruining the game and taking the play out of it.

Bottom line, nine ball is just a flawed game. Why don't we just move on?
 
Rick S. said:
because it's in the U.S. Open rules....that's simple enough.

Right here...."NO soft Breaks"


Velocity is key to determining a proper break. Players must break the balls with proper speed and it will not be a foul if three balls do not pass the headstring. Players must make an honest attempt to break the balls. A foul will not be called if a player breaks with velocity.
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How do you enforce it? "Proper speed" is subjective.
 
realkingcobra said:
What has stopped any player from breaking like Cory Deuel?...If it works for Cory...then why not other players?...it's called "out play your opponent"
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Rules...have.

It's not good for the game. Nobody wants to watch 'soft' breaks. It's boring enough for the avg spectator as it is.
 
Tap Tap Tap.

Exactly, no one wants to watch it hence no money. Get more people interested, larger fan base, more people, more entries, more money.

I don't know how to enforce it, I would guess that it would have to be a called situation. You have a ref who just has to make the call on if someone is breaking soft or not, and only call it on the slowest of slow breaks.

Some people are older and can't break hard anymore, but you have 23 yr olds soft breaking.

No one seemed to answer the main ? though, which is more impressive running 11 racks with a hard break i.e Archer, Strickland or softbreaking and making a wing ball 11/11 times getting the exact same shape on a one ball having all the other balls line up relatively the same each time.

Rick S. said:
Rules...have.

It's not good for the game. Nobody wants to watch 'soft' breaks. It's boring enough for the avg spectator as it is.
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I think you guys are crazy to think that a wild break will get more people interested in the game... Look at Golf.. One of the most boring things in the world to watch on tv, but look at how much money golfers get thrown at them.. I don't see them doing anything wild and crazy to get fans interested. The break shot lasts about a second, and then it's over with.. So, unless you enforce a rule that players have to shoot EVERY SINGLE SHOT at break speed, then you have no argument. Imposing such a rule would be rediculus anyway. I do believe that pattern racking is a serious no-no. The balls should be racked entirely at random. There are many things that can be done in the way a person racks the balls, that will produce different results on the break. It would be great if you could have every single ball touching on every single rack and actually be able to enforce it, but that would be impossible to achieve. Balls wear, cloth wears, equipment is never perfect... So, you can never have perfect racks every time. Now, you have guys that will manipulate the racks to gain an advantage. A little gap here, a little gap there, balls touching here but not there.. If you can't obtain a perfect rack every time anyway, why not take advantage of a flaw in the system. If you know how to strategically place gaps in a rack to gain an advantage, good for you. You've been a good enough student of the game to figure out an advantage over the average player. I don't see a problem with that. I don't believe it takes anything away from the game, and I certainly don't think it drives people away. Think about it. Tiger Woods was the best thing for golf when he first came on the scene. Why? Because he was as close to perfect as anyone could be. I think it is a lot more exciting to watch a guy put a string of racks together than it is to watch explosive breaks with no guarantee for a run-out. If I want to watch guys bang balls around, I'll go down the street to the local bar.
 
I am watching the semis of the sands regency open 12 and Earl is playing Buddy Hall. It is rack for your opponent and Earl is pattern racking against Buddy, the balls are in the same spot everytime for him. Its just evidence Earl has been pattern racking for over 2 decades. If soft breaks were around then I am sure Earl would have learned the shot. He is looking for reasons why he isnt winning as often. I hope he will suck it up and learn the break because in my book he is one of the most exciting players to ever play the game.
 
gromulan said:
What I find hilarious is that when guys like Earl, Johnny, and Tony Elin first came along all the old dog pros complained that they had this 'unfair advantage' and that their huge breaks were 'taking the play out of the game'.

Then Corey Deuel comes along and figures out how to run more racks than all those guys put together and right away you get the old dogs *****ing and complaining about how he's ruining the game and taking the play out of it.

Bottom line, nine ball is just a flawed game. Why don't we just move on?
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10 ball :thumbup:
 
What did that pattern consist of?


evanandpeaches said:
I am watching the semis of the sands regency open 12 and Earl is playing Buddy Hall. It is rack for your opponent and Earl is pattern racking against Buddy, the balls are in the same spot everytime for him. Its just evidence Earl has been pattern racking for over 2 decades. If soft breaks were around then I am sure Earl would have learned the shot. He is looking for reasons why he isnt winning as often. I hope he will suck it up and learn the break because in my book he is one of the most exciting players to ever play the game.
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