In your opinion, what did Gus Szamboti achieve that make his cues so appealing?

I think the comments with critical overtones were stupid,no offense.I am not aware of any contemporary cue makers who make such nice Szambotis.

Dean Campbell


Dear Dean,
maybe you are right and there was some critical overtone in my post, but i didn´t want that.
You know, i am not from the US and english is not my best language so maybe it comes threw at the wrong tone.
Sorry about that !
For me Gus has realy achived unbelivable things in his to short live.
I understand that his cues are most sought after, and i understand the prices on these.
I only wanted to understand what Barry already has achived that his cues have nearly the same hipe and same prices.
I realy didn´t want to be critical, because i love his designs and there are many awesome looking cues from him, but :confused::confused:

Thanks again for all your answers in advance,
Erich
 
SZAMBOTI's

my 1st Gus, i drove from home in Michigan about 250 miles to Ohio border, then to Cincy to buy my 1st Gus. have had probably 50 go thru my hands over the years. wish i could've kept more of them. never met Mr Szamboti, but have met Barry, the apple don't fall far from the tree. what a man, with the integrety of his father, to continue the work of a legend, with the skills his father taught him. that's why in my opinion, that GUS was # 1& BARRY a close 2nd, hope i don't offend other's thats my opinion. don
 
my 1st Gus, i drove from home in Michigan about 250 miles to Ohio border, then to Cincy to buy my 1st Gus. have had probably 50 go thru my hands over the years. wish i could've kept more of them. never met Mr Szamboti, but have met Barry, the apple don't fall far from the tree. what a man, with the integrety of his father, to continue the work of a legend, with the skills his father taught him. that's why in my opinion, that GUS was # 1& BARRY a close 2nd, hope i don't offend other's thats my opinion. don

Thanks for you opinion, Don.
It´s important for me to read all the opinions, because i never had the chance to hold one in my hands.
No Gus and no Barry, so thanks for your words,
Erich
 
Just introducing a bit of humor and insight into the mind of Barry.

One day Barry was talking to someone who suggested that he wouldn't be as successful if his last name was not Szamboti.Barry replied "I think you are right,I used to have a good friend in the business maybe I will start using his name.From now on just call me Barry Balabushka"

This produced some insight into the mind ,and gave me a chuckle too.

Many of you may not be aware but there is another Szamboti making cues now,Barry's younger son Jimmy is working with him in the shop. Every day they work on various steps to making Szamboti cues,Jimmy carries a little book around with him and records the exact words of his father as he meticulously records each step,each size,each cut,properties of the woods,times to cut,and on and on.

I remember Jimmy as a timid little boy who climbed to the top of my windmill and seemed to become a young man in 1 minute,and his father,a big bruiser of a man,who became a timid little boy who ran for his life from my longhorn bull in the pasture.

Most of you will know something like one of these stories when the day comes that a box comes to your house from one or the other of these 2 Szambotis.

Dean
 
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I have not posted on any forum in years, but in this case I could not hold myself back.

Barry Szamboti would never compare himself directly to his father, but he has earned that comparison, which is saying something because so few cuemakers -- indeed, so few PEOPLE -- practice their art or profession at the high level that Gus Szamboti did before and Barry Szamboti does now. Many athletes, artists, musicians, teachers, lawyers, doctors, et al. are great at what they do, but how many are considered among the handful who are the absolute best in the world?

The reason for the demand for Barry's cues is because they are among the best cues in the world, some would argue the absolute best. The Szamboti name is obviously important in billiards history and that name stands for so much, but it is not because of the Szamboti name that Barry's cues demand the highest prices. (To borrow a line from George Fels, no one is buying a lot of Frank Sinatra, Jr. recordings these days.) It is because of everything that Barry puts into his cues: the design, playability, execution, balance, detail, materials, and everything else that makes a cue is presented at an exquisite level. For those lucky enough to get to know Barry, you can begin to get a sense of the tremendous thought he puts into his cues. He wants them balanced in your hand and also balanced in terms of the proportion in the design. Like his father, Barry has the gift of a highly refined aesthetic eye -- he just knows what looks good. The simplest cue from Barry is as elegant as the fanciest; the fanciest is as tasteful as the simplest. Nothing is overdone. Nothing is underdone.

The question of why so many people are willing pay high prices for Barry's cue answers itself. Actions always speak louder than words. Even in one of the most horrible economies in history, buyers line up for Barry Szamboti cues for the same reason they lined up to buy Gus Szamboti cues during the senior Mr. Szamboti's lifetime -- they value what Barry is doing that much.

Admiring some of Gus Szamboti's cues on this great website, the cues are so well thought through and executed it's almost painful to look at them ... they're so beautiful. Barry's cues elicit the same reaction. (By saying this, I am not saying that other cuemakers do not reach great heights also, and Barry always acknowledges his peers; but it seems to me that Barry has few peers.)

It must be difficult to be Barry sometimes because, like anyone in demand, there must be many people who want to get to know him, but for what reason? Barry is a celebrity in our world, and it must not always be easy to know who your true friends are. The fact of the matter is that people make a lot of money off of what Barry is able to create. This can complicate things. Luckily, Barry seems to be a good judge of people. From what I see, his bullxxxx detector -- like the other tools in his shop -- is finely calibrated!

That reminds me of another thing. In Gus Szamboti's era, he was clearly the best at what he did. (Balabushka apparently preferred Gus Szamboti's blanks to his own.) But the elder Mr. Szamboti must have been limited by his equipment. He extracted phenomenal results given those limitations. Today, the equipment is better and tuned to finer tolerances. If someone were to put the same thought, creativity, beauty, brilliance, and perfectionist attitude into cues today, he would achieve something even grander. His name is Barry Szamboti.

Larry Moy
 
@ Dean and Larry,
i realy appreciate your words and thoughts about Gus and Barry. :thumbup:
You know, that was the reason for my question - to get answers and explanations like yours.
Again, thanks to both of you
Erich
 
Erich,

It is good to have these exchanges since we are all fans of pool and billiards, and (whether we own one cue or 100s) great cuemaking. You asked a question, and you seem open to everyone's responses. I'm glad people are posting questions about Gus and Barry Szamboti cues b/c it's interesting to read all of the answers.

Take care,
Larry
 
Gus was ahead of his time. He used all Sears tools.

Gus had a passion to make his cues play good that was #1, $$$$ wasnt his motivation, sure he had a large family that liked to eat alot ;), but Gus wanted to make sure his customers got exctactly what they wanted. Ray Martin had to have a specific nylon wrap so Gus went out and bought a huge roll of it for Ray's cue-Barry tells me the spool is monster huge and has never been used again. Gus was close to his customers. He listened to them. All of his cues play a bit different, some are front heavy, others are ass heavy, fat, skinny. every thing different lengths as well.

There wasnt near as many cue makers back then and cues were tools to play pool with, now there is a sub-culture of cue collectors, some play others dont. Gus had many origonal designs, used alot of different woods, took the time to buy the right wood and cut it down slowly to de-stress it. He used the best materials and worked hard at learning to build better and better cues over time. When you know alot about his work you can tell kinda the date range a cue was made in. They are all great cues.


There will never be another Gus, too many cue makers, too many tools in thier shop, were in a different era now. Its cool to watch this evolution, Gus can be credited with a few others(Bushka etc) as the founders of where we are today in cues. He was a better man than Cue maker-I have been told by more people than just his son. I had my chance to talk to him and I was too shy,young and short sited. I will awalys regret that.


Also Gus's cues played alot better than any one elses cues did back(on the whole) then so thats another reason he stood alone at the top, his cues today are still among the best playing cues, but you have to find one you like cause they vary from cue to cue. In contrast in todays world there are a number of great cue makers who's cues play great, Gus is part of why that is, the aspiration of greatness. Cue makers take alot of pride in their work, Gus sure did and perhaps that influenced alot of the "New school" cue makers. Patience is what Barry Szamboti told me is required to build a cue, Barry much like his dad is very humble.


The history of who Gus worked with, sold blanks to, shared ideas with also is what makes his cues very deseriable. At this stage of the "game" Gus cues are vintage cues, and like in the watch biz the history adds more value to a watch than diamonds. Gus was a huge piece of the history of our current cues his influence. In any vintage market the prices awalys go up, watches, cars, etc. The fact that Gus was held in such high regard by many champions adds to the story as well. Its more than just a cue now a Gus is a piece of important history-and you can use it too!


Gus is one of my hero's in life, he raised a great family and made the best of the best and supported his family and passion all at the same time. How strong is that? Hell I havent achieved 20% of that in my life, very few people can, and he was a humble man.

Hope that helps,

eric


I got alot of REP for this post, so I re-read it just now. Did I write that??? YUP!!! :) Wow, I have been working on my writing skills alot the past couple years, I think Gus brought about my best work. I didnt make very many spelling errors, I added a paragraph when I edited it-that was a single pass post-no spell check nothing.

I was in stroke when I posted that, I hope I can find that gear more often,

thanks everyone,

Eric
 
Szamboti

Hey Azer,s
Those of you who know me know i have had a few Gus's and Barry's over the years,,All i like to say is this Gus cue is 25 plus years old and plays as good today as it did the day is was finished. and i have one of Barry Cue that i just sold that is 16 plus years old cue # 93 and it is the same ,,The Workmanship and playability is just Awesome ....

Enjoy the pics,,

BR
Little Kenny
 

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