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My question is... After Billy wins, is he gonna want to double the bet and ask for the 8?
Incardona Fisher challenge match
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crawfish said:
One of your problems...in addition to underrating Allison's skill is all your talk about playing in "gambling environments" with "slow cloth" etc.
Do you think she is STUPID?
As others have tried to point out to you, she is a tournament professional and does not ride the road, sleep in her car and try to out drink, out drug and outlast her opponents.
Roadie gambling and pro tournaments are two entirely different environments. Don't you GET THAT?
Just answer me this. How many racks of 9 Ball have you ever seen her play...
A) in person
B) on TV
I would really like to see this come off. AF has always been a top class player, both when she was snooker world champ & now in pool. She plays well & presents herself well, just what the game needs. Bill's comments show he has a great deal of respect for her & I think show a lot of class on his part as well. Kudos to you, sir.
I have no idea who would win, apart from the viewers. I think it'd be a treat to see!
I have no idea who would win, apart from the viewers. I think it'd be a treat to see!
With all due respect....
Ummmm.... Yeah.... With all due respect, the reason that no one male dominates the male tours is because A) there is no one male tour in the US, so not all of the top players are playing in all of the tourneys, B) The middle tier men are much more capable of pulling off multiple upsets to win a tournament than the middle tier women are and C) I don't know a C but it felt like I needed to add a c with the way I was wording this; however, I do know that the top two or three women are capable of beating anyone in the world in a given set and I for one am not trying to down play their ability , but I don't think they are the favorite, even Allison in many matches...
Terry Ardeno said:
Ummmm.... Yeah.... With all due respect, the reason that no one male dominates the male tours is because A) there is no one male tour in the US, so not all of the top players are playing in all of the tourneys, B) The middle tier men are much more capable of pulling off multiple upsets to win a tournament than the middle tier women are and C) I don't know a C but it felt like I needed to add a c with the way I was wording this; however, I do know that the top two or three women are capable of beating anyone in the world in a given set and I for one am not trying to down play their ability , but I don't think they are the favorite, even Allison in many matches...
Riggs played them both. He beat Margaret Court (then #1 woman) in straight sets. He later lost to Bille Jean King in straight sets. You're both right.
gopi-1 said:
BPG24
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It's funny how everytime someone says something about Allison not being favored over the best men, the sexest card gets played. One of the dumbest arguments I have ever heard. Some people may be sexest, but many of us are not. We base our judgements on all of the other things that actually matter
I think Allison is awesome!!! No doubt she can play, but until I see her playing top men for the money in long sets, no one will be able to convince me that she is better than them.
Let's see her play 10 ball in long races and see how she does when she can't make the 1 ball everytime on break. Then we will have a better idea of how to place her amongst the men
I think Allison is awesome!!! No doubt she can play, but until I see her playing top men for the money in long sets, no one will be able to convince me that she is better than them.
Let's see her play 10 ball in long races and see how she does when she can't make the 1 ball everytime on break. Then we will have a better idea of how to place her amongst the men
BPG24 said:
Some of us are definitely sexist, one of us may be sexiest...........but you can be absolutely certain that none of us are sexest
The most valuable opinion on the contentions put forward in this forum might be Ms Fisher's. She normally appears to be rational and objective. If anyone has current access to her perhaps they could post what she thinks.
The Billy Jean King match was the BIG event. Everyone tuned in to watch it, both tennis fans and non-tennis fans. I'm sure to this day it has one of the highest TV ratings ever. Everyone was talking about the match everywhere you went. If you weren't a tennis fan you probably didn't know about the Margret Court match. This is why if Allision would play it could be a huge day for pool. I hope Allison will take the challenge. I can't see it being a runaway match for either of them. Very fair match-up IMO. Johnnyt
Bobby Riggs tossed
I got it from an unimpeachable source that the Bobby Riggs/Billy Jean King match was a dump. I got it from a guy that used to keep Bobby Riggs broke, I won't give his name even tho he's dead. His nickname was, "The Fat Man." The lifetime proposition hustler and con man, Bobby Riggs, had an interest in a venture in Ft Lauderdale back then. I hung out at the Miscue Lounge in Lauderdale with pool and Golf hustlers, and assorted thieves that associated with Bobby. Lamar Hunt paid him off to toss, as he was the backer of the Womens Tennis Assoc., that which took off like a rocket after Bobby lost. If anyone recalls, after Bobby beat Margaret Court there was absolutely no buzz about it, but when he lost to Billy Jean, it got world-wide attention and women's tennis came to life. Before that match, the women were playing for a hot dog and a coke. I wouldnt have snitched except many years have gone by and most of the constituents are dead.
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I got it from an unimpeachable source that the Bobby Riggs/Billy Jean King match was a dump. I got it from a guy that used to keep Bobby Riggs broke, I won't give his name even tho he's dead. His nickname was, "The Fat Man." The lifetime proposition hustler and con man, Bobby Riggs, had an interest in a venture in Ft Lauderdale back then. I hung out at the Miscue Lounge in Lauderdale with pool and Golf hustlers, and assorted thieves that associated with Bobby. Lamar Hunt paid him off to toss, as he was the backer of the Womens Tennis Assoc., that which took off like a rocket after Bobby lost. If anyone recalls, after Bobby beat Margaret Court there was absolutely no buzz about it, but when he lost to Billy Jean, it got world-wide attention and women's tennis came to life. Before that match, the women were playing for a hot dog and a coke. I wouldnt have snitched except many years have gone by and most of the constituents are dead.
the Beard
My new DVD is available, have you ordered yours yet?
smart move
Bobby would have lost that match three times out of three had he not dumped. "Smart move" if he got paid for what was gonna happen anyway!
I have to say that I think that Billy is a better pool player at this point than Bobby was a tennis player at the point he played Billie Jean. Consider too that Billy put in the stipulation that there be a three month warning before the match. I think if it goes off he will be ready to play. I think the edge goes to whomever does the best job of negotiating playing conditions. Billy has three months to prepare as much as he wants to. Allison has a much more scheduled life.
Hu
Bobby would have lost that match three times out of three had he not dumped. "Smart move" if he got paid for what was gonna happen anyway!
I have to say that I think that Billy is a better pool player at this point than Bobby was a tennis player at the point he played Billie Jean. Consider too that Billy put in the stipulation that there be a three month warning before the match. I think if it goes off he will be ready to play. I think the edge goes to whomever does the best job of negotiating playing conditions. Billy has three months to prepare as much as he wants to. Allison has a much more scheduled life.
Hu
freddy the beard said:
ShootingArts said:
It's not secret here on the forums that I am a big fan of certain pro players. And fans follow their favorite players, or teams and derive lots of pleasure in in-numerable ways just by following, watching, reading or learning about who or what it is that excites them. And, after a while, from all the reading, watching, studying, ect, you get a real feel for that player or if it's a team you follow, you have a real pulse on what's going on and where they (or he) is in the grand scheme of things.
I said all that to say this....Hu astutley caught the "3 month" part. When ever I listen to Billy on the Accu-Stats, it is pure pleasure for a number of reasons. One of which is, much as I love Grady's commenting style, I think, no, really I believe, that Bill Incardona is the SMARTEST when it comes to having a pool mind. Anyone who has studied this man even a little has got to admit that he has a gifted mind for pool. If pool players had managers, and I could pick any pool player who ever lived to be my manager, I would want Billy to be mine. He is a very calculating man, and I mean that as a credit, not a cut. I read Bill's initial post like a lawyer looks at a contract. Whenever he posts something, I learn something. Not always a new fact or news, but I had started to catch on to how he thinks about 6 or 7 years ago. And I still am learning to think like he does when it comes to matching up and getting a speed on another player and the variables, etc. Just trust me and believe it when I say that Bill thinks lots more than he talks. That's what makes him such a dangerous opponant for anyone.
As we've all read thru this whole great post (one of AZ's very best in a long time), he sure did pick an opponant who will challenge him and force him to dig deep for him to have a positive outcome here. Since he's never been an ego guy or publicity hound, and he does have the pride inside him as a former World Champion, and since this is happening in the autumn of his pool career, ever wonder why he's doing this? I think he's doing this to challenge himself yet again. He's one of these guys who sets the bar high, steps back and ponders. Then goes and sets it up a little higher and thinks some more. He factors in every possible thing that could affect the match in any way, even seemingly insignificant subtle ones that for most would never cross their mind. Then he thinks some more. And the whole time he's doing this, he's also trying to see exactly how high he CAN set the bar for himself. He wants the maximum challenge and it's for his mind, not his cue.
His original post in the thread was Jan 18. Does anyone really think that idea just popped into his head that morning? He's probably already played this match a hundred times at least in his head. Before we ever heard of his idea, he had already been long at work figuring and calculating and thinking. THAT'S what would make this so intriguing a matchup.
The great Allison Fisher is up against the mind of Bill Incardona.
wincardona said:
Bill,
Any updates or news on how this is progressing? As you've seen by all the interest here, I think this is really worth pursuing and lots of us are reallt hoping this can be arranged.