IndyQ, the worst customer service response ever...

As terrible as that might of been for him doesn't give him a free pass to be a a--hole.What he said to Pockets is uncalled for and unprofessional as a business or even just a human being.If the man has
experienced acts of violence,treating people like this is putting a bullseye on your own back.Bad Karma=unhappy endings.

I didn't say it gives him a free pass to be anything. I said it's EQUALLY not right to show joy at the fact that he was brutally beaten and left for dead because he was not polite in email.

There is a million ways to make Karma fit your own perspective. Some would say that Roy deserved to get robbed and beaten up in his home because he is not nice. Others might say that the fact that he does a lot of business despite being impolite to everyone is proof that he has good karma. So you can use "karma" anyway you want to.

No one here who is damning Roy for being "mean" should also ever say that someone deserves to be beaten up and robbed.

As for Gerry's particular situation I have no idea what set Roy off. When I am seeking a discount from someone I introduce myself as John Barton, owner of JB Cases and inquire as to whether the business I am talking to offers wholesale pricing and what the criteria to receive that pricing is. I can tell you that Roy has gotten lots of emails from people who don't identify themselves as being in the business, who don't introduce themselves on a professional level and still ask for discounts as if it should be an expected thing.

Not that this gives Roy the right to "go off" but it does illustrate that sometimes it's annoying to think that you are dealing with a retail customer only to find out you are dealing with someone else in the business who feels entitled to a discount from a fellow retailer.

Regarding going off that's also Roy's choice just as it's each person's choice not to deal with him. Still Roy manages to sell quite a lot of cues and cases. And he does it completely on his own terms. Love him or hate him the guy has been at this since 1993 and extremely consistent. I would bet that there isn't a supplier out there that doesn't welcome Roy's business. Unlike many I have dealt with in this business Roy always pays promptly and the check is ALWAYS good.

I was on the verge of bankruptcy in 1997 due to the fact that so-called upstanding and "nice" people in this industry owed me collectively around $80,000. Since I started selling to Roy in 2007 I have not been owed a dime by him and in fact it's me who is always owing him cases. If I would let him he would buy everything we could make. This is the kind of guy who, if he likes your product, will order ten of them and call you back the next day and triple his order.

So to me THAT gives him a bit of a free pass to act like a jerk if he wants to. The only person he is hurting is himself by this. He certainly isn't hurting the person who got told off because that person can and does take their business elsewhere. But amazingly Roy has a LOT of repeat customers. So perhaps it's also prudent to remember that there is another perspective here.

I would love it if Roy were nicer. Would be like a banana split with extra whip cream and cherries and would avoid all threads like this that come up every couple months. But I am not going to change him. Like I said in a previous post he has a heart of gold. Along with that though comes an exterior shell that's hardened steel when it comes to business. So like a lot of things in life you take the good with the bad and hope for balance.

I will take ten Roy Mallots over most other dealers though when it comes to being willing to stock deep and willing to work hard representing the products represented. If there were many more like him this industry wouldn't be in the toilet in my opinion. I'd trade some civility for some serious dealers who aren't afraid to stock and sell.

Of course it would nicer to have all-around nice people to deal with who don't jack you around on the money. But I will take a hard-ass who pays over a panderer who doesn't any day. Neither I nor Instroke will ever see a lot of that $80,000 that was owed to us. Say what you want about Roy but he doesn't owe any cue or case maker as far as I know.

And hopefully that will be all I need to say about it. Roy, be nice. :-)
 
Mean people suck. Get over it.

I can't believe we have people that hang around in pool halls that act like girls when somebody talks to them mean.

When did that happen? When did things change? Is the sport now played by panty wastes?

Oh I see, threaten him...that's tough...on an internet forum. Yeah, that's real tough.

I suggest that those who are so sensitive take up something more appropriate to their disposition, like croquet.

If you don't like a product or service, just say so and be dome with it. Geezus...five pages of drama. I stopped reading when some girly type mentioned violence.



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Well said John....

I agree that there is a better way for anyone to express themselves without going into a tirade of curses and expletives but I really have no definitive way of telling what really transpired between the two,,,,

I have been dealing with Roy as well as lots of dealers, collectors, enthusiasts and yes,,,even the ''Trunkies'',,,,[ Beam me up Scotty'' ] for years,,,

Luckily,,,I really never had a problem with anyone,,,

For you guys in the pool world that can make such a lucrative living out of this dying game, I applaud you,,,,this kinda of reminds me of the speech that Lebron James gave after leaving Cleveland and headed off to Miami only to fail to win the title his first year with the so called ''Big Three''

His line about JEALOUSY seems to perhaps ring true with the guys that are at the top of what they do,,,,,,,,after all,,,who are they gonna knock,,,,,the last guy sitting on the end of the bench,,,??

Anyway,,,,,Gotta go,,,,,I'm taking my cue, case and ''Talents'' up to my loft now,,,,,,

''Bring the funny'',,,,,,,,,Alan Ende,,,,,,,,,
 
I've had the bad experiences that are pretty much the same as described earlier, but I still check back to his site now and then to see if he has anything of interest 'cause like any customer....................if I wan't it bad enough, I'll even do business with an a$$ if I have to in order to get what I want. That being said, two items of same make and model and close in price??? I'll do Seyberts all day long.

dave
 
So what JB is saying is that regardless of how this guy treats people, as long as he keeps ordering cases in bulk he'll defend him.

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I had one dealing with him about one of my old cues,it got around for awhile (cog missing a ring) and he wound up with it,and he was a total dick to me via e-mail....so I will never buy a cue from him....just my two cents
 
My final email to Roy in hopes that he could chalk the whole situation as lesson learned and possibly. Not lose more potencial customers in the future,

Gerry Pepin pockets14.1@gmail.com

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Here's a little customer service story that makes me smile, hope it does the same for you!

My business is for the most part a pool table mechanic installing and maintaining peoples tables, I absolutely love what I do for moments like: just when I have completed the table, it has nice new cloth on it looking good the customer walks into the room just as I'm drawing the lines to finish the table off the smile that comes across there face when they see the table completed for the first time and how excited they are to roll a ball down the table... The feeling of joy I get at that moment seeing that smile on my customers face is reason why I've been in this business for 17+ years and love the game of pool the way I do! I hope one day you'll get to experience that feeling from providing exceptional customer service! Peace-Love-Billiards Smiles are addictive, you smile at someone and can be sure they'll smile back! Have a good day today Roy!

On 2012-09-29 11:27 AM, "Gerry Pepin" <pockets14.1@gmail.com> wrote:

Aren't we lucky when we are in a line of work where the payoff is at least as good as the pay?

I don't sell products, I provide a service. The service I provide changes people's lives in huge ways. I share in their journey along the way to their success, the ups and downs are dramatic, and I can tell you that some of my greatest days are those when I find out that I helped make another doctor. I walk on air. I keep a box full of cards and letters thanking me for my work.

There is nothing like that. You can't put a dollar figure on it.



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What happened to "The customer is always right?" I learned long ago in business that the customer is KING! Without him you have NO business! Hello!!!
 
What happened to "The customer is always right?" I learned long ago in business that the customer is KING! Without him you have NO business! Hello!!!

It seems though that we are having a bit of abuse of that concept recently, and I don't just mean here.

"The customer is always right" is a great attitude...but it can't be strictly true. If so I could name my price for anything.

I have had clients ask for a discount recently. They didn't get it. My competition charges 3 1/2 times as much for the same service.

My personal rule is, it never hurts to ask. I apply that to my clients. I will never hold it against them for asking. If they expect it, that's another story.

I apply the same rule as a customer...it shouldn't hurt to ask. If it causes a problem, then I am put off by that.

BUT, I don't go around making offers to retailers. Although in many parts of the world negotiation is expected, here in the US I don't see it as acceptable to habitually make offers to retailers. On a rare occasion maybe...like when it is a return or open box item, something with a blemish or shelf wear, a floor model.

The customer is always right is a great attitude. But the customer simply isn't always right in practical terms. It is more of a guide for how to treat people than a rule for business. If one actually applied it as a strict rule one would be out of business in a hurry. I would take all of your stock for a buck.

None of that excuses mouthing off at customers. But one need not be excused. If you don't like the way you are talked to then man up and handle it. What I see more and more of are people who can't handle themselves and stomp their feet like children. Maybe they were not talked to nicely, but surely the behavior they exhibit in response is no better if they can't deal with the situation without whining about it and even inciting violence.



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in doing business with the SEYBERTS i indirectly did business with INDY Q.
Mr Roy was just a touch old fashioned but he was very thorough and everything went smoothly
no complaints

that's a Peach Rhubarb Pie by the way, you are looking at that arent you
 

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I had a similar response from Roy when I inquired about the prices of his Southwest cues. He got very upset with me when I did not respond to his e-mail rightaway and asked why I was inquiring about the pricing of his South West cues when I couldn't afford one to begin with.
 
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So what JB is saying is that regardless of how this guy treats people, as long as he keeps ordering cases in bulk he'll defend him.

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If someone was making me thousands I would do the same even if I hated him.
 
Mean people suck. Get over it.

I can't believe we have people that hang around in pool halls that act like girls when somebody talks to them mean.

When did that happen? When did things change? Is the sport now played by panty wastes?

Oh I see, threaten him...that's tough...on an internet forum. Yeah, that's real tough.

I suggest that those who are so sensitive take up something more appropriate to their disposition, like croquet.

If you don't like a product or service, just say so and be dome with it. Geezus...five pages of drama. I stopped reading when some girly type mentioned violence.



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Just clear one thing up though the assault on Roy was a home invasion where Roy and his secretary where threatened and Roy was beaten severely and left for dead.

I would guess the beating wasn't random nor motivated by theft of his stuff. More likely A throw back to the days when your ass was expected to cash your mouth's checks. Some in our "civilized" society still haven't gotten the memo that you can't go around beating up people who insult and cheat you. You say no one deserves that. I disagree. The truth is now days all too few who do deserve it get it.

JC
 
I didn't say it gives him a free pass to be anything. I said it's EQUALLY not right to show joy at the fact that he was brutally beaten and left for dead because he was not polite in email.

There is a million ways to make Karma fit your own perspective. Some would say that Roy deserved to get robbed and beaten up in his home because he is not nice. Others might say that the fact that he does a lot of business despite being impolite to everyone is proof that he has good karma. So you can use "karma" anyway you want to.

No one here who is damning Roy for being "mean" should also ever say that someone deserves to be beaten up and robbed.

As for Gerry's particular situation I have no idea what set Roy off. When I am seeking a discount from someone I introduce myself as John Barton, owner of JB Cases and inquire as to whether the business I am talking to offers wholesale pricing and what the criteria to receive that pricing is. I can tell you that Roy has gotten lots of emails from people who don't identify themselves as being in the business, who don't introduce themselves on a professional level and still ask for discounts as if it should be an expected thing.

Not that this gives Roy the right to "go off" but it does illustrate that sometimes it's annoying to think that you are dealing with a retail customer only to find out you are dealing with someone else in the business who feels entitled to a discount from a fellow retailer.

Regarding going off that's also Roy's choice just as it's each person's choice not to deal with him. Still Roy manages to sell quite a lot of cues and cases. And he does it completely on his own terms. Love him or hate him the guy has been at this since 1993 and extremely consistent. I would bet that there isn't a supplier out there that doesn't welcome Roy's business. Unlike many I have dealt with in this business Roy always pays promptly and the check is ALWAYS good.

I was on the verge of bankruptcy in 1997 due to the fact that so-called upstanding and "nice" people in this industry owed me collectively around $80,000. Since I started selling to Roy in 2007 I have not been owed a dime by him and in fact it's me who is always owing him cases. If I would let him he would buy everything we could make. This is the kind of guy who, if he likes your product, will order ten of them and call you back the next day and triple his order.

So to me THAT gives him a bit of a free pass to act like a jerk if he wants to. The only person he is hurting is himself by this. He certainly isn't hurting the person who got told off because that person can and does take their business elsewhere. But amazingly Roy has a LOT of repeat customers. So perhaps it's also prudent to remember that there is another perspective here.

I would love it if Roy were nicer. Would be like a banana split with extra whip cream and cherries and would avoid all threads like this that come up every couple months. But I am not going to change him. Like I said in a previous post he has a heart of gold. Along with that though comes an exterior shell that's hardened steel when it comes to business. So like a lot of things in life you take the good with the bad and hope for balance.

I will take ten Roy Mallots over most other dealers though when it comes to being willing to stock deep and willing to work hard representing the products represented. If there were many more like him this industry wouldn't be in the toilet in my opinion. I'd trade some civility for some serious dealers who aren't afraid to stock and sell.

Of course it would nicer to have all-around nice people to deal with who don't jack you around on the money. But I will take a hard-ass who pays over a panderer who doesn't any day. Neither I nor Instroke will ever see a lot of that $80,000 that was owed to us. Say what you want about Roy but he doesn't owe any cue or case maker as far as I know.

And hopefully that will be all I need to say about it. Roy, be nice. :-)
I never said I was happy that he went through any wrong-doings.I'm talking about what he said to Pockets.He might of done great deals with other people and no-one is disputing that but you can't deny the wrongs by saying all the good he has done.People who talk that type of shit to people face to face,end up on the floor before they even finish talking.Karma has nothing to do about perspective but has to do with
positive energy and by the look of this thread I haven't seen much of it!!
I am strictly talking about his emails to Pockets,nothing else.
 
What happened to "The customer is always right?" I learned long ago in business that the customer is KING! Without him you have NO business! Hello!!!

Jay - working in customer service I have to agree with you on this point...with a big caveat. The customer is always right is a wonderful philosophy if it is held by the business. Unfortunately, in today's world - it is held by the customer - and it is used as free license to be raging assholes at the drop of the hat, and everyday run of the mill employees have to deal with unreasonable dickheads and give them what they want for fear of 'losing a customer' I honestly think that if businesses and merchants took the liberty of saying to customers 'You are absolutely right to be upset, and I will fix your problem, but the way you are acting is totally unacceptable' perhaps the world would be a better place.

Btw - this in no way reflects on the contents of this post - just my rant about 'the customer is always right' I dont think Calgary acted out of line at all.
 
So what JB is saying is that regardless of how this guy treats people, as long as he keeps ordering cases in bulk he'll defend him.

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No... What JB has figured out that IndyQ has not is, The customer is always right... JB's customer is IndyQ.
 
So what JB is saying is that regardless of how this guy treats people, as long as he keeps ordering cases in bulk he'll defend him.

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Not at all. If I had evidence that Roy were cheating people then I'd drop him. But him being mean to people with or without cause isn't my condition. I have sold cases to many people on this forum, some who are bonafide jerks and some who are true angels. I am not in a capacity to judge or even be able to afford to pick and choose who I want to do business with based on how they behave with OTHER people. I choose who I want to sell to based on how they act with me. To date Roy has been upstanding and nice to me.

I was apprehensive about selling to him at the beginning because his reputation preceded him. I decided that since I personally didn't have any negative experience and since it's my policy to experience things for myself I'd give it a shot and the result has been that Roy and I have a great business and personal relationship. I tell him all the time that if the world could see his "good" side all the time then he could triple his business. I also tell him that it's not good for him to go into attack mode, either from a health standpoint or a business standpoint. (I speak from experience).

But Roy has his reasoning for what he does and it is sometimes valid once you get past the initial shock of the unnecessary rudeness. Still though I persist in trying to get him to be calm and measured which is a bit silly coming from me.




If someone was making me thousands I would do the same even if I hated him.

I wouldn't. There are many people in the industry that I won't do business with now even if they offered me a million dollar contract. That sentiment reflects my personal experience with those people and allowing my heart to rule my head.

But one fact remains in business that cuts through all the emotions. If cash flow doesn't exist then all the pretty words don't mean anything. So you do business with people who pay because people who pay keep cash flowing which is the lifeforce of business. If you are doing enough business with sufficient cash flow then you can afford to let your emotions decide who you will do business with. Better to be like Switzerland and remain neutral when it comes to disputes between your customers and their customers/colleagues most of the time.


I would guess the beating wasn't random nor motivated by theft of his stuff. More likely A throw back to the days when your ass was expected to cash your mouth's checks. Some in our "civilized" society still haven't gotten the memo that you can't go around beating up people who insult and cheat you. You say no one deserves that. I disagree. The truth is now days all too few who do deserve it get it.

JC

So you are thinking that someone hired a thug to invade Roy's house, hold a gun to Roy's head, threaten Roy's secretary, beat and rob Roy all because Roy said some mean things in an email exchange? And this would be a proper response?

If extreme violence is a proper response to being berated on the net then there are many people on my list who are due for some extreme violent beatings. I guess then that if I started hiring thugs to beat up people we all know on this forum that you all would be cool with that since it's in response to the mean things that they have said to me? Well great then I am on the way over to Thugs-R-Us right now to arrange some ass-whippings.........

The fact is that this was a random act of violence where a deranged asshole rang the bell at Roy's business and the secretary buzzed him in thinking it was the delivery person. But the time she realized it was the wrong person he had already gotten a foot in the door and forced his way in holding Roy and her hostage at gunpoint. Roy tried to protect her and was beaten mercilessly and savagely for that.

So if it makes people here feel better to think that Roy deserved this go ahead and feel that way. No one can look into your heart and determine what your character is. For myself I often have thought that if something bad were to happen to the people who have gone out of their way to be asses to me then it would make me happy. In fact the few times that something awful has actually happened to someone I have had words with I have felt incredibly guilty for wishing misfortune on them.

I suspect most of us here are the same way. It's easy to say so-and-so deserved that because of unrelated actions, we all want closure and to believe that the universe provides punishment - and MAYBE it does - but I rather doubt that we all really want to live in an Eye-For-An-Eye world because that sort of world feeds on itself. Wishing a beating for someone who is mean in words is itself a breach of karma and in a universe where there is an accounting you are bringing down the karmic heat by escalating psychological violence into actual violence no matter how much you feel it might be justified.
 
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