Inside English, Outside English Definition

fastone371 said:
Whether its inside or outside english is made in refernce to the first thing the cue ball hits.
In your diagrams its inside because the cue ball hits the object ball first. If it hits the rail first then its outside or running english.
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The diagram he shows is inside english (because of the relationship of the english to the cueball/object ball) and it's running (because the spin is in the natural direction of the cueball rebounding off the cushion).

There is no discussion of rail-first shooting here.
 
Cornerman said:
The diagram he shows is inside english (because of the relationship of the english to the cueball/object ball) and it's running (because the spin is in the natural direction of the cueball rebounding off the cushion).

There is no discussion of rail-first shooting here.
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I would clarify that its inside english because he is shooting the object ball to the lower right corner pocket, and the english is being applied to the CB on the side that is closer to the intended pocket.

of course he could be playing a safety with the one ball, in that case it would be "safety English", which is beyond the scope of this forum.......:grin-square:
 
So, using Left English on both these shots:

Would be called inside here:
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But outside here:
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Correct?
 
michael4 said:
I define running English by the angle in which the CB hits the rail (not the object ball).

(just take a CB, and hit it directly into the rail at 45 degrees, using English on one side, than on the other side, and see what happens)


If you never hit a cushion, you shouldn't be using English on that shot.
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I honestly hope you're kidding.
 
The simplest way to think about it.....

If you are cutting a ball to the right, inside is right hand english.
If you are cutting a ball to the left, left is inside.

Inside english is the same side as the direction of the cut ball. Outside is opposite.
 
I always thought of it as the cut angle being a turn on a road. If two cars turn left on a two lane road, one car will be on the inside, and one will be on the outside.
 
JohnnyP said:
HelloBaby- said:
I hope the picture would be enough :)

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Consider the large angle formed by CB to OB and OB to the pocket.

Left English is outside THAT angle. Right English is inside THAT angle.
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Wth is this???? I hope you 2 weren't trying to help, cause you certainly missed the mark. I've known the difference for 25+ years and have no idea what the H this is.

Remember in Billy Madison where the guy tells Billy that everybody in the room is now dumber for having listened to Billy? That's where we're at here.
Jason
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Took me sec too but he's just showing how the cue ball spins in relation to the angle cutting to the right...

Anyways it's as simple as:

"Inside" the angle is "inside"
"Outside" the angle is "outside"

That simple.
 
skins said:
Took me sec too but he's just showing how the cue ball spins in relation to the angle cutting to the right...

Anyways it's as simple as:

"Inside" the angle is "inside"
"Outside" the angle is "outside"

That simple.
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You are probably right about what he is trying to say, but damn lol
 
Cornerman said:
The diagram he shows is inside english (because of the relationship of the english to the cueball/object ball) and it's running (because the spin is in the natural direction of the cueball rebounding off the cushion).

There is no discussion of rail-first shooting here.
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I agree with you. Some people were questioning how inside could also be running english on some shots. I just simply stated that when calling a shot inside or outside english you are referencing the inside or outside with the first thing the cue ball comes in contact with. I dont think you would call a shot inside english if it was a carom shot where you were cutting the first ball to the left and using right hand english but when cue ball hits the second ball it has inside on it.
 
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