Insidepool Coverage of the World 14.1

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kollegedave

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So I was able to catch a little bit of the World 14.1 streams during my lunch breaks. However, I was unable to watch a lot of the tournament.

I noticed that after the 10 ball event insidepool immediately posted multitudes of 10 ball videos, whilst not posting a single straight pool match.

Does anyone know if any of these 14.1 matches will ever be posted?

Thanx

kollegedave
 
The video is being converted into DVD's that's why they have not been posted to YouTube.

I imagine it will take a short while for them to be completed for sale.

There will probably be a post about them when they can be purchased.

That's what was done last year as well.

Steve
 
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FranCrimi said:
I hope the players will get a royalty for each dvd that is sold, just as AccuStats does.
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Yes they should but, I think you know the answer to that being it is the CW production.



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dmgwalsh said:
Really!? I never heard that before.

What Royalties are given to the players for each dvd sold by Accustats?
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Hmm... that's a new one on me, too. Not saying it doesn't happen, but with all the Accu-Stats literature and products I receive, this is the first I'm hearing of this.

-Sean
 
I echo the above posts. I did not think that accu-stats gave the players anything.
A few years ago when Dragon Promotions brought back the World 14.1 there was a table for recording matches. These would be dvds for sale. I spoke to Mike Sigel after his match against Janette Lee on the dvd table. I asked him why his match was not recorded. I thought this would be a great match to have. I did not go over to watch it because I thought it would be recorded. He said he told Charlie that if he was recorded he had to get a cut of the profits or he would sue.
I heard some months later that the cost of producing the dvds was so high and the sales were so low that Dragon Promotions lost a lot of money.
 
Why would I post that AccuStats gives players royalties if it wasn't true? Are people here accustomed to posting lies, because that's not something I can relate to.
 
FranCrimi said:
Why would I post that AccuStats gives players royalties if it wasn't true? Are people here accustomed to posting lies, because that's not something I can relate to.
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Why would someone post that they hope whoever was making the dvds was going to give the players royalties, like Accu-Stats does, implying that perhaps whoever makes the dvds was not going to do what you say is normally done?

No one said it was a lie. People who posted said they had never heard that Accu-stats does this. If you, in your vast experience have information that they do, then you could educate us.

Otherwise, it just feels like you are taking a shot at someone without checking your ammunition first.
 
dmgwalsh said:
Why would someone post that they hope whoever was making the dvds was going to give the players royalties, like Accu-Stats does, implying that perhaps whoever makes the dvds was not going to do what you say is normally done?

No one said it was a lie. People who posted said they had never heard that Accu-stats does this. If you, in your vast experience have information that they do, then you could educate us.

Otherwise, it just feels like you are taking a shot at someone without checking your ammunition first.
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I'm not so sure that all the players get royalties. My impression, from what I have heard/read, is that Pat will sometimes hand out jelly to those players that have been on the more popular selling matches.

Lou Figueroa
 
dmgwalsh said:
Why would someone post that they hope whoever was making the dvds was going to give the players royalties, like Accu-Stats does, implying that perhaps whoever makes the dvds was not going to do what you say is normally done?

No one said it was a lie. People who posted said they had never heard that Accu-stats does this. If you, in your vast experience have information that they do, then you could educate us.

Otherwise, it just feels like you are taking a shot at someone without checking your ammunition first.
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I have no idea who is producing the dvds. I don't know the people involved. I know that Pat pays players royalties. He's been a good friend of mine for 25 years. How many players get paid and who they are is between Pat and them.

If the producer is paying royalties, then good, and I'm glad to hear it. That's the right thing to do.

I always try to stand up for the players when I can. Haven't they gotten screwed enough? Do they need to keep getting screwed?
 
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FranCrimi said:
I have no idea who is producing the dvds. I don't know the people involved. I know that Pat pays players royalties. He's been a good friend of mine for 25 years. How many players get paid and who they are is between Pat and them.

If the producer is paying royalties, then good, and I'm glad to hear it. That's the right thing to do.

I always try to stand up for the players when I can. Haven't they gotten screwed enough? Do they need to keep getting screwed?
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Royalties? I'd think if the player signed a contract previous to their performance or previous to the creation of the dvd that stated they get a royalty, sure but I would think it would be more like an actor in a movie - normally paid a flat amount but not a percentage of each sale as a royalty would be.

Interesting thought - in your deep, score plus 5 year long lasting friendship with Pat, do you know if the players are signing releases to allow their performance to be sold?
 
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But royalties have NOT actually been paid. This isn't an opinion.
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I imagine you would know. You know Thorsten well and he has been in a lot of videos.

We did the Derby City Straight Pool Challenge and some of the matches were filmed by Pat. I know that he was offering a bonus for 100 ball run, but then the player would have to sit there and provide commentary. Other than that, there was no money involved that I heard of and I was running the event.
 
Like I wrote before ---- I hope that whoever is producing these DVDs is paying royalties to the players like AccuStats. Are the players receiving royalties from the production of these DVDs? Does anyone know?
 
I heard in the local rumor mill that Accustats pays a tiny tiny amount per DVD title, not per DVD sold. In other words, like $25 to each player for the title, no matter if 10 DVDs of the title are sold or 10,000.

Again, this is just what I heard locally.

Another thing I recall was when TAR had their first few DVDs with Corey and then Alex, the pro players were saying whatever royalties they got from TAR were WAY WAY more than they ever got from Accustats. I heard this one myself from the pro players mouth either in a stream or at DCC, can't remember which it's been several years.
 
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FRAN CRIMI -

“….. a royalty for each dvd that is sold, just as AccuStats does.”

Like Dennis and Sean, that’s big news to me.

Gosh, Fran, I am very pleased to hear this and I am glad that you have first hand knowledge of this.

But, please give us some names of players CURRENTLY receiving royalties (any amount) from Accu-Stats for each DVD sold ….. a dozen or so names will do.

THANKS !!!!
 
Dr Michael Fedak

Michael Fedak said:
FRAN CRIMI -

“….. a royalty for each dvd that is sold, just as AccuStats does.”

Like Dennis and Sean, that’s big news to me.

Gosh, Fran, I am very pleased to hear this and I am glad that you have first hand knowledge of this.

But, please give us some names of players CURRENTLY receiving royalties (any amount) from Accu-Stats for each DVD sold ….. a dozen or so names will do.

THANKS !!!!
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Apparently Fran opened a can of worms she had wished she hadn't. Accu-stats PROMISED the players royalties. Who knows, maybe they even told people (maybe Fran too) that the players had been paid royalties. But the truth remains, that no royalties have been paid as of yet. That is unfortunate.

I would not have said anything, but Fran couched her argument in such a way as to disparage the efforts of Dragon Promotions. I was the person responsible for resurrecting the world straight pool championships back in 2006. Financially, the Dvd's were a disaster. The goal was noble in that all parties involved would have been satisfied to break even in return for delivering a useful product to the pool playing public. It was a bloodbath. I'm not privy to the current financial arrangements, but I can't imagine there are any fundamental changes to the equation.

Randy Goldwater
 
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