Integrity Lost/ Jump Cues

tryhonesty07

tryhonesty07

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First of all, Ill say that I've played for a few years with just cues and for the last 2 I haven't played with them at all, as I play at a place where they are not welcome. I know that a lot of threads have been posted and some say they like them and some they they dont. I, for one this that jump cues are a gimmick to sell more cues and create more income for people in the pool world, which Im okay with. But I think that its ruining the game, a saftey just isnt what it should be. Unless you glue someone to the back of a ball, a saftey has lost its luster.

Here's an instance to think about, So if John Schmidt were to run 500 balls and hook himself and then pull out a jump cue and make a shot, continue his run and break mosconi's record. Are you okay with this? I think the hertiage of pool needs to be preserved for the same reasons that the MBL still uses wooden bats. Just because its profitable to have jump cues doesnt means its right. There, had to let that out. lol
 
If I remember right, jump cues are not allowed in 14.1 and 1 pocket....besides, you can hit any ball on the table, so why jump???

I will say I agree with you 100%....don't like jump cues, never will......I was taught to jump with my playing cue, so that is what I do....or I kick if the jump is too tough....but I don't care if other people use them....I also don't like safety play.....pool was designed as a pocket game, not a bounce one ball off a rail and behind another ball game :D
 
I would appreciate it if you could provide me links to rule sets that prohibit jump cues in one pocket and 14.1.

I'm only asking because I'm not aware of those rules.

The game has evolved, yes you need to glue someone to the back of a ball if you want to have an airtight safety.

I am proficient at kicking, yet I still use a jump cue. Why do you figure that is? Because it's fun, it takes skill to not just hit the object ball but sink it or end up safe.

Please please please give it a rest, jump cues are here to stay. I do think however they should make a rule that prohibits whining about jump cues.
 
I was just trying to get someone to admit that if its not allowed in those games, then why would it be in others? That sir is a double standard. As far as why would you jump, I was just saying if you had to jump over the corner of the stack or something. In 8,9,10 ball players are getting away with learning to jump instead of learning how to kick. So they learn one shot that in a lot of circumstances replaces entire kicking system that can take a lot of knowledge to play. Its creating pool for dummies and no wonder 3C is popular here, its not an interesting game when you dont understand the intricacies of the cushion systems.
 
Old School

I guess I'm "Old School", or maybe just old but I agree with you completely.
 
I stuck someone very well once, and they took out some short ridiculous brook-stick looking thing with a giant rubber stopper on the bottom of it and proceeded to jump the ball way into the air and out of the safe. That didn’t feel fair.

I don't have anything personal against jump cues. If people want to use one, go for it. But I don't allow them if playing for stakes.
 
some great points u got there.... but the truth is its hard enough to keep this game a float in certain areas as it is....so all thease new inventions and rule changes are better then nothing, to try and keep this sport goin strong and more creative i guess u can say.we all want the dream of it being how it was.. prob wont happen,so cant really hurt i dont think but when it comes down to it... we all have the same advantages and disavantages with what ever equipment for the most part.. if we practice them....i can jump with both jump cues and standard cues..if u cant beat um join um lol ......jus look at this way ...how many people do u play that rather then kicking at somethin easy they whip out the olmighty jump cue and miscue or foul......happens alot! .......but i understand what ur saying..so i say if we cant draw back into time we have to follow and go foward:thumbup:
 
Let's take away one of the few shots that electrifies a paying audience. Yeah that's the ticket.
 
supergreenman said:
I would appreciate it if you could provide me links to rule sets that prohibit jump cues in one pocket and 14.1.

I'm only asking because I'm not aware of those rules.

The game has evolved, yes you need to glue someone to the back of a ball if you want to have an airtight safety.

I am proficient at kicking, yet I still use a jump cue. Why do you figure that is? Because it's fun, it takes skill to not just hit the object ball but sink it or end up safe.

Please please please give it a rest, jump cues are here to stay. I do think however they should make a rule that prohibits whining about jump cues.
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First of all, Im not "whining", I use them in tourney's when its allowed as everyone else does, But if Im in action its going to be "no j cues". The rules for 14.1 and 1p do say that. So why should it be any different for the other games! Because the cuemakers want more work?
 
Just for the sake of clarity... Major League Baseball uses wooden bats for the safety of their players (someone would be killed if they allowed aluminum bats) and for the fact that they would have to renovate every park to move the fences back. You'll need to use a different example for your analogy about sports caring for "the legacy of the game".

Just sayin'...

(Don't use a jump cue. I have a jump/break, but have never used the shortened version. Maybe someday, not in any hurry.)
 
Luxury said:
Let's take away one of the few shots that electrifies a paying audience. Yeah that's the ticket.
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If this electrifies you, your not a pool player. Look back in the day, when balsis would find a dead ball in a rack and make a hollywood production out if it and the crowd would go crazy when he finally nailed it . thats suspense and entertainment. Save the trick shot for trick pool!
 
Hmmm, I do like to see the female players use the jump cues. Those are exciting shots and I wouldn't want that to go.

Then again, I would be for metal bats in baseball too. I'm a sucker for more home-runs!
 
supergreenman said:
I would appreciate it if you could provide me links to rule sets that prohibit jump cues in one pocket and 14.1.
I'm only asking because I'm not aware of those rules.
The game has evolved, yes you need to glue someone to the back of a ball if you want to have an airtight safety.
I am proficient at kicking, yet I still use a jump cue. Why do you figure that is? Because it's fun, it takes skill to not just hit the object ball but sink it or end up safe.
Please please please give it a rest, jump cues are here to stay. I do think however they should make a rule that prohibits whining about jump cues.
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According to onepocket.org, you can jump, but only with your playing cue.....I'm guessing it's the same with 14.1 - I tried to look it up but could not find it.....

I use a break cue....there are still plenty of old schoolers around that think that you should break, jump and do everything with one cue.....I respect their opinion, I just don't agree with it.....they probably think I am an idiot for needing a break cue and they might be right...

I never whined, not once.....I don't have a jump cue and don't use one, but I have plenty of friends that do, and as I posted previously, I don't care what they do....I worry about myself....and I don't like them so I don't use them....

Unless they play a safety.....I hate safety playing, weakazzed sissy pool :grin:
 
Lets take this to golf, we cant use steel shafts, because Bobby Jones used wood shafts, so we have to stay with them and ignore progress and new technology?

If they sold short jump cues in 1941, trust me Willie would have been playing with one.

The jump cue is here, it is not going away. I use two, an air hog where I can clear a full ball, 2 balls away, and bet the ranch on it, and a shorter dart like device, I stroke from the front, its like a long shaft but high tech graphite, and I can clear a full ball, 1 ball away, and when I am on, a half ball away.

I have a Masse cue, pretty good with that also. So trying to hook me, is hard, I have never lost a game on 3 fouls, because I am un hookable. I show up with a play cue, a break cue, 2 jumps and a masse, 5 cues.

Who is better than this than me, the best on Earth, of getting out of a hook, Efren, he does not own a jump cue, cant even perform the shot, he does it all with banks and Masses. :thumbup:

Yo bro, big perm, dude, we need to do a contest here, who has the best looking hat, me, or your curlers.
 
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tryhonesty07 said:
First of all, Ill say that I've played for a few years with just cues and for the last 2 I haven't played with them at all, as I play at a place where they are not welcome. I know that a lot of threads have been posted and some say they like them and some they they dont. I, for one this that jump cues are a gimmick to sell more cues and create more income for people in the pool world, which Im okay with. But I think that its ruining the game, a saftey just isnt what it should be. Unless you glue someone to the back of a ball, a saftey has lost its luster.

Here's an instance to think about, So if John Schmidt were to run 500 balls and hook himself and then pull out a jump cue and make a shot, continue his run and break mosconi's record. Are you okay with this? I think the hertiage of pool needs to be preserved for the same reasons that the MBL still uses wooden bats. Just because its profitable to have jump cues doesnt means its right. There, had to let that out. lol
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Are you complaining about the dedicated jump cue or the jump shot? As far as I know, jump shots are allowed in all games except snooker.

Jump shots are part of the game and the skill required to jump is on par with many extreme shots like the masse. Now we have players who can jump, make the ball, and get shape. Jumping well and accurately is not easy. When you kick, there is plenty of luck and slop to many outcomes anyway.

Earl complained about the jump cue because he could jump well with a full length cue. Jump cues evened the playing field for shorter, less powerful players. In my view, they are a welcome addition to the game, and I dislike any rule that restricts their use. Every player I know has one.

By the way, I'm a terrible jumper and I prefer to kick.

Chris
 
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Big Perm said:
If I remember right, jump cues are not allowed in 14.1 and 1 pocket...
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14.1 -- Under WPA (world standardized) rules, the equipment specifications apply for 14.1 the same as for 8-ball, 9-ball, and 10-ball. The only requirements on the size of a cue are that it be at least 40" long, at most 25 oz. in weight, and at most 14mm in tip width.

One Pocket -- The WPA does not have rules for the game of One Pocket. Under the "Official One Pocket Rules" published by OnePocket.org, the rules on jumping are as follows:
"Players may use jump shots in One Pocket as long as they are performed with the player's own standard playing cue using legal jumping techniques as defined in General Rules. Specialized jump cues are not permitted in One Pocket.

Please note that many players, poolrooms and tournament directors have differing opinions on specialized jump cues. It is recommended that players check with their opponent, the 'house man' or the tournament director prior to an important match to come to agreement on whether specialized jump cues shall be permitted or not."​
 
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