IPT Jeopardizes 2006 US Open 9-Ball

jjinfla said:
Let's face it, the IPT & the US Open, is a business. The object of a business is to be successful and to make money. Period.

Once the IPT gets established does anyone really believe that the IPT players will be allowed to play in any other tournament without the IPT being compensated? So will it really matter if dates are the same?

I wonder what will happen if in 2007 some of the IPT events coincide with the WPBA events and there still are a few WPBA women in the IPT. Which event will they play in?

I seriously doubt that any current IPT players will drop out of the IPT just to play in the US Open so Behrman better start working on another date or plan on holding the event in September without any IPT players.

Jake
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A very well considered post for sure, Jake. Still, I have a feeling that the IPT will leave the little guys alone, for the simple reason that the little guys don't pose any threat at all to the IPT.

I'm guessing that if the IPT proves a successful business venture, most of the other tours (globally, not just in the USA) will become affiliates of the IPT, and may even become qualifying tours for the IPT in the same way that the Nationwide Tour is a qualifying tour for the PGA. Allowing the other tours to stay healthy may, ultimately, be very good business for the IPT, and I' suspect that the powers at the IPT understand this.

We shall see.
 
Wtf!!!!!!!!!!

Well, here is where we find out why people play this game if the so called greats don't show, I guess the prestige of the US OPEN title, isn't near as attractive as a payday. I personally want to call BS on this one. "couldn't work around it". and don't get me wrong money is nice us but the US OPEN shouldn't be F****D with KT or no KT who does this guy think he is anyway!!

JMHO
 
The IPT to date has been responsive to any and all concerns.
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Can you give me any examples? The UK 9-Ball has already had to postpone because of IPT rescheduling.

One of the nice things about the IPT is that the organization encourages players to compete in any and all events available to them. They do not require them to boycott or not play in other events that are non-IPT. There were not contracts to sign in that regard.
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People keep saying this but its just not true.
If they are both on the same day, what would happen if Kieth decided to miss the IPT tourney and instead play the US Open ? Would he be penalised?



Gabber
 
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black Jack... i have always liked your ideas and your opinions. this 1 is no different. it appears to me that KT just wants to blind all the players with his vast $$$$$$$$ resourses because he has had pools ear (mike sigel) for some time now. So KT already knows where the players will go. they will follow the money. From what i understand alot of foreign players loyal to the WPA and other sanctioning bodies will in all likely hood play in their own sanctioned events rather than an ipt event cuz of that loyalty. So if loyal foreign players stay home and play in their own sanctioned events what will the IPT do to them as noshows.....Maybe Barry should try to get someone to put up a large amount so he can raise the open added money...........................mike
 
2 points..

1) it's probably much more difficult to schedule these ipt events without conflicts than the average person thinks

2) i deeply respect the us open and its tradition, but one of the traditions it has helped perpetuate is to give $30,000 to somebody who just beat all the best pool players in the world. have they tried to incease prize money, yes, im sure they have and we all are appreciative of that. but what kevin is doing is unprecedented and he needs to get the benefit of the doubt, if for no other reason than to give the ipt a chance to work the way it has been envisioned.

maybe we will look back on the us open as a tournament that made it possible for pool to enter the "ipt era." whether his tournament survives or not, that would be a great accomplishment for mr. berman imo, and again, we would all be very appreciative. maybe it's best to think of both the us open and ipt as being good for the sport insted of thinking one is good and the other bad.
 
The Reno event hosted by the IPT ends on 10 Sept and the US Open starts on 19 Sept. I must have missed something because I cannot see the conflict here.

Richard
 
nipponbilliards said:
The Reno event hosted by the IPT ends on 10 Sept and the US Open starts on 19 Sept. I must have missed something because I cannot see the conflict here.

Richard
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Those are 2005 dates. On the lower right of the webpage it says 2006 Sept 4-10.

Cheers,
RC
 
nipponbilliards said:
The Reno event hosted by the IPT ends on 10 Sept and the US Open starts on 19 Sept. I must have missed something because I cannot see the conflict here.

Richard
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Yea, about a year
 
I think it was inevitable that clashes would occur. This is a pretty big one though! But at least it is 9-months away so there is a chance something could be worked out.

Let's hope some agreeable compromise can be worked out.
 
Gabber said:
People keep saying this but its just not true.
If they are both on the same day, what would happen if Kieth decided to miss the IPT tourney and instead play the US Open ? Would he be penalised?
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Hi, Gabber!:) I love that avatar of yours! How cute!

Kevin Trudeau addressed the players at two meetings I attended, which were in Orlando, one the night before the event and one the morning before the Efren vs. Sigel finals. He encouraged players to compete in other events, no strings attached.

Look, I love the U.S. Open, no question about it. This news is FRESH at this juncture. IMHO, Kevin Trudeau will make every effort to work things out. He was sincere with his vision, and I, for one, am appreciative that SOMEBODY is making things BETTER for pool players.

For the first time, pool players are given an opportunity to earn a 6-figure payday. It's about damn time, as far as I'm concerned. Yes, I support the IPT. Yes, I feel bad about this schedule clash.

JAM
 
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why the tears over behrman?

I really can't believe the following this man has. OK. He hosts the US OPEN 9 ball championships. That is impressive. Only in that he was smart enough to call his tournament that. Does anyone on this forum know where the "US OPEN 8 BALL BARTABLE CHAMPIONSHIPS" have been held at in recent years? Don't let the "US OPEN" fool you. That means nothing as far as being prestigious. Does anybody know any of the winners of the US OPEN 8 BALL BARTABLE CHAMPIONSHIPS have been? Why? 8 ball is the biggest game in pool right now, and nobody knows who the US bartable champion is? Unbelievable for such knowledgists of pool as you all are. I'll tell you why nobody knows. BECAUSE NOBODY CARES. Know why? Because they might have a drunken idiot as their host referee that doesn't know if he's breathing or taking another shot of Stoli with the "champion russian", or calling a bad hit in the 3rd/4th match. The US OPEN is a way for those promoters to profit off a bunch of starved worldwide talent, as well as VIKING has, PECHAUER has, MCDERMOTT has, JOSS has, DCC has... ETC......ETC.......ETC.......tiresome to mention them all. Camel might have been on their way, outside of advertising restrictions on tobacco companies. There is an unbelievable market for these talented individuals and it is getting explored through big money men and talented execs behind them as well. I'm sure the IPT would be around 20 years to come if they paid 30K for a once per year tournament, and make 20 X what behrman's stealing on hard work alone. If he's not stealing, then the guy needs to read a few books. Face it, if you called ANYTHING the US OPEN, would you offer 50k, WHICH IS A DISGRACE, much less tell your champion you get 30K after he wins? WOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW people. I couldn't. The US OPEN is about fame and unsaid riches in any sport, just not pool evidently. Which is why pool is say 20 years behind. Pool is the toughest skilled game in the world in my mind, which intrigues many. Therefore there is an incredible market. When the man (Trudeau) says the IPT is way bigger than everybody initially thought, everybody wanted to bring up his background and find flaws, (characteristic of a pool players mentality). Sure he said he would try to not step on anybodys toes. But at the same time, has anyone tried to rent out a 60K sq. ft. arena for a week and a half at a time, and mention BTW i can't rent it at the same time as the US OPEN 9 BALL TOURNAMENT? Ridiculous to say the least. Much less to tell ESPN, can we delay that coverage because of the US OPEN 9 BALL, paying 30K. UHHHHHHHHHH................NO. Sorry. Behrman knows nothing about that because he hasn't tried to make the lives of his pawns better, but only his own. How spoiled we've all of a sudden become. If Trudeau quits the tour tomorrow, damn him, if he puts it on the map at the expense of the US OPEN, damn him 3 X. Every parent wants their kids to go to college and delay work for 4 years to make a better life for themselves....but don't blame them for not paying bills as they still stay at home. Well we're gonna let Trudeau stay with us until we say he has his degree, which i would classify as our consensus confidence in him and Deno. Why? Because I think he's gonna make this a success. Want credentials? He's already paid out 4 of the highest paydays in pool HISTORY. Not bad for a tour in its infancy. I'd like to type for 2 more hours on this topic. But i'd like to see what everyone else has to say. Doesn't have to be on a forum either. My email is juzzagolfin2000@yahoo.com, AKA "IPT wannabe" or "IPT bulldog follower".
 
Arguably the three biggest and most prestigous events on the pool calendar are:

- US Open (4/09/2006 to 10/09/2006)
- World 9 Ball Champs (27/10/2006 to 3/11/2006)
- World 8 Ball Champs (4/11/2006 to 12/11/2006)


IPT World Open 8-Ball Championship
Reno Hilton in Reno, Nevada
September 2 - 10, 2006

IPT Players 8-Ball Championship
United Kingdom (U.K.) Venue to be decided soon!
October 29 - November 5, 2006

I honestly believed him when KT said they didnt want to clash with other events, I thought this was one of the big pluses of the IPT. But IF these dates aren't resolved I would be very dissapointed!

Still great news for the likes of Engert, Crosby, Foldes, Ortman, Schmidt, Broumpton, Peach, Majid, Hemmah, Hoa, Ashcraft, Matlock, Hernandez etc etc who weren't good enough for the IPT ;)
 
Here are the dates that I saw on the www.wpa-pool.com schedule:

Sept 4 - 10 BCA US Open 9-Ball
Clashes with
Sept 2 - 10 IPT World Open

Oct 27 - Nov 3 WPA World 8-Ball Championships for Men
Clashes with
Oct 29 - Nov 5 IPT UK Event- Player's Championship

Nov 4 - 12 Matchroom World 9-Ball Championships for Men
Clashes with
Oct 29 - Nov 5 IPT UK Event- Player's Championship

Dec 16 -19 Mosconi Cup
Clashes with
Dec 12 - 17 IPT King of the Hill

Also, the July 22nd event clashes with the 4th Asian Tour event so they won't be too happy to lose Efren, Busta and Marlon (Though Marlon was left out last year).

--edited-- I had made a mistake with the WPC 9-Ball date. It actually clashes with the UK event.
 
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Colin Colenso said:
...Also, the July 22nd event clashes with the 4th Asian Tour event so they won't be too happy to lose Efren, Busta and Marlon (Though Marlon was left out last year).
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Speaking about the Filipino contingency :D, when they competed at the IPT KOTH in Orlando, they were supposed to be in another event in RP. As independents, they can pick and choose where to play.

From their point of view, I guess it's kind of nice that they did come to IPT KOTH, as Efren, Bustie, and Marlon, in that EXACT order, finished in the top four at the $1-million tournament. Mike Sigel didn't look too unhappy when he held his $100,000 check for coming in second.

I remember Francisco Bustamante came out outside to smoke a cigarette after the whole event. He was so very happy, with a stunned look in his eyes, as he told me that winning the $80,000 was the BIGGEST purse he'd ever won in his entire pool-playing career. Keith told me that Johnny Archer said the same thing, as he stuffed his pockets with $50,000.

Granted, my opinions are definitely skewed towards the pool player. Schedule clashes suck, though. :(

JAM
 
When they get on the IPT. They'll at least feel satisfaction. Ask Alex, or watch the replay of him winning his spot. This tour is not about handouts. It's about being one of the top 150 in the world. Which Alex is now officially one of. Tom Lehman of the PGA tour won one of 4 majors each year (British Open) after years of struggling on mini tours living in cheap motels. But he has always upheld the qualifying processes of the PGA tour, Which he has clearly always been one of the top 125 golfers on our golf tour. Ask Jason Miller if he thought he simply deserved to belong on this tour before the DCC. NO. He parlayed another amazing week of pool into his card, with his mediocre winnings at the Derby. Which now he gets much more satisfaction out of. These guys knew they belonged, that's why they put up their cash and racked em up, whoever the opponent. These qualifiers to me are as awesome as it gets, hell people i know a local that's a bare minimum of 100-1 to get his card that's going to the next 2, on sponsorship to boot. For premier players to fuss about this whole process is a complete joke. To seek out worldwide sponsorship for a measly 2K qualifier is a tragedy when you're a premier talent. Cliff Joyner could sell his tennis shoe collection for entries to the next 2 qualifiers come on. Don't feel sorry for people that either don't want to put up their own money, or feel like they've done such extraordinary things that they should just be on tour. Hell there's Taiwanese local house pros, Phillipine local house pros, that are all thinking that they would just love to put up their 2K just one time, let alone 5 times if they desired, and they live much below our means. You guys are a joke with the crying over wanting to be a hand selected choice. If everyone posted their snub story we'd all be in therapy in no time. By '08 you'll be able to see who deserves to be on the IPT, if you're 1 of the 150 best 8 ball players out of 7 billion humans. Have you written your local authorities as to why you haven't won a national lottery as well? REALITY CHECK. Pool is really a hard game!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You better prepare to run 6 racks at any given time!! Ready? Not many are.
 
Colin Colenso said:
Here are the dates that I saw on the www.wpa-pool.com schedule:

Dec 4 - 11 Matchroom World 9-Ball Championships for Men
close to but doesn't clash with
Nov 26 - Dec 3 IPT Masters Event


Also, the July 22nd event clashes with the 4th Asian Tour event so they won't be too happy to lose Efren, Busta and Marlon (Though Marlon was left out last year).
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Colin I simply compared the WPA sites with the IPT schedule, according to the IPT site the dates are:

150- IPT Tour Members
Dates: October 29 - November 5, 2006
Location: United Kingdom (U.K.) Venue to be decided soon!

Which does indeed clash with the 9 ball WPC. The most disturbing thing in all this is that we hear TWO different versions of events. The IPT is saying they "did everything in their power to work with promoters", then you have the promoters saying this simply isn't true? Hey I'm no Billionaire but I would have thought they could have done a little better than clashes with the top 3 events in world pool, plus a euro tour, a san miguel and the Mosconi cup!!!! :rolleyes: :eek:

Afterall I thought pool was in shambles before IPT came along so I didn't realise the calendar was that full!? :D
 
sjm said:
A very well considered post for sure, Jake. Still, I have a feeling that the IPT will leave the little guys alone, for the simple reason that the little guys don't pose any threat at all to the IPT.

I'm guessing that if the IPT proves a successful business venture, most of the other tours (globally, not just in the USA) will become affiliates of the IPT, and may even become qualifying tours for the IPT in the same way that the Nationwide Tour is a qualifying tour for the PGA. Allowing the other tours to stay healthy may, ultimately, be very good business for the IPT, and I' suspect that the powers at the IPT understand this.

We shall see.
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I wouldn't bet on it sjm. The crook doesn't care about anything but his pockets. He would do his mom if it paid. He is a lier, a thief, and now a bully. Screw him and his ill gotten gains. You guys a following the pied piper right into oblivion. JMHO
Purdman ( integrity is worth more than cash!!!!!
 
How quickly you guys forget.

If the US Open is soooo prestigious then why did so many players boycott it a couple years ago for the new UPA?

Why did players complain about the low payouts and not being paid?

I suggest everyone go to the International Pool Tour site.

First of all you will see how well it is managed. By far it is the best site out there. Look at the luxury of the coming events and tell me you are not impressed.

Then go to the schedule link and look at the one for sept. When you get there click on the payouts.

Keeping in mind that the top player out of 200+ at the US Open last year received $40,000 then look at the payouts for this IPT event.

Finish 7 thru 18 and you receive $36,000. Finish 1st and you will receive more money than ANY pool player ever expected to earn in his/her lifetime.

$500,000!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Who in their right mind would pass that up?

Is this impressive or what.

Show me a pool player that would pass this up and I will show you a fool.

The old saying is "Lead, Follow or get out of the way". Barry had his chance for 30 years - he kept doing things the same old way and the players never really made any money. Nor did they receive the honor they deserved. The BCA didn't think that Earl's winning the US Open 5 times was impressive enough for them. It took pressure from the fans to get Earl the recognition he deserved. Where was Barry putting pressure on the BCA? Barry made more money selling pop than any pool player made. Now it is time to get out of the way.

And if it was Brady instead of Barry just reverse the names. I don't know either one of them.

Jake
 
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