IPT night -- a review from being there
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Derek said:
I gotta totally disagree with you Derek. Yes a pro can dust off a cue after X # of years and usually play better than the majority of the human race. However a person who's been practicing 8-ball for 5 weeks (like Karl had) will have encountered positions, shot selections, 8-ball quirks within that say 5 week period and be reminded of the 8-ball scenarios and strategies. The 8-ball game cue duster-offer, i.e. Tony, he does KNOW these same bits of information, but he just hasn't encounter them in a while and such the light bulb doesn't go off as quickly and the vigorous practicer.
If you're logic were true then Pros would never need practice because they could always count on that back pocket never suffering from old age or time.
I watched it from start to finish and amazingly didnt fall asleep, of course I had just woke up from a 3 hour nap, but i'm still amazed i didnt fall asleep. It was a long show which is cool but they should have had 3 different games not 2 to fill that time span.
the 14.1 race was cool but should have been 150 not 125,
the table had a bad roll to it in the middle it rolled towards the camera.
The cloth didnt do anyone any favors except Karl, I know him and he loves it, He told me so at DCC, he likes it much more than 860. He went into all the reasons when he told me, and hey if thats what he likes good for him. Otherwise its shit, its like mud balls a thing of the past.
Karl had a sunburn which makes me sleepy-most people sleepy, and jet lag, he looked exhausted about half way through the match. I dont think he took this trip very seriously, it was a free trip to Rodeo Drive-he mentioned it several times in interviews he was driving a convertable on Rodeo Dr. After talking to him at DCC he firmly believes that he has an advantage playing on that cloth because he plays on it all the time he told me. Therefore I think he didnt take things as seriously as he should have-I will add this I liked him alot and he is a fun guy to talk to we had some good laughs.
In the booth Mike kept telling everyone that Karl was a snooker player-he ISNT at all he made that very clear to me, Mike also kept saying snooker players are great shot makers but cant move the CB-nothing is farther from the truth, Mike dosnt know much about snooker, watch 10 different matches in snooker and you'll see those guys have to move the CB a hell of alot farther than we-the table is 12' long. Also the Brits do cue the ball better than we do, they have a hard time moving around our CB because its bigger, Mike dosent know much about snooker-no big deal.
I like TAR's productions better, but thanks to KT for putting on a good show. Any and all shows helps pool and there is room for everyone right now to do on-line streaming video productions, it will only help pool and hopefully the numbers keep growing and interest is generated in pool, a the end of the day it helps keep rooms alive, cue makers busy, new players comming into the game, etc. Like I have sadi many times ESPN hasnt done pool any big favors-they use pool as fiuller time when they ant get a infomercial sold,
the 14.1 race was cool but should have been 150 not 125,
the table had a bad roll to it in the middle it rolled towards the camera.
The cloth didnt do anyone any favors except Karl, I know him and he loves it, He told me so at DCC, he likes it much more than 860. He went into all the reasons when he told me, and hey if thats what he likes good for him. Otherwise its shit, its like mud balls a thing of the past.
Karl had a sunburn which makes me sleepy-most people sleepy, and jet lag, he looked exhausted about half way through the match. I dont think he took this trip very seriously, it was a free trip to Rodeo Drive-he mentioned it several times in interviews he was driving a convertable on Rodeo Dr. After talking to him at DCC he firmly believes that he has an advantage playing on that cloth because he plays on it all the time he told me. Therefore I think he didnt take things as seriously as he should have-I will add this I liked him alot and he is a fun guy to talk to we had some good laughs.
In the booth Mike kept telling everyone that Karl was a snooker player-he ISNT at all he made that very clear to me, Mike also kept saying snooker players are great shot makers but cant move the CB-nothing is farther from the truth, Mike dosnt know much about snooker, watch 10 different matches in snooker and you'll see those guys have to move the CB a hell of alot farther than we-the table is 12' long. Also the Brits do cue the ball better than we do, they have a hard time moving around our CB because its bigger, Mike dosent know much about snooker-no big deal.
I like TAR's productions better, but thanks to KT for putting on a good show. Any and all shows helps pool and there is room for everyone right now to do on-line streaming video productions, it will only help pool and hopefully the numbers keep growing and interest is generated in pool, a the end of the day it helps keep rooms alive, cue makers busy, new players comming into the game, etc. Like I have sadi many times ESPN hasnt done pool any big favors-they use pool as fiuller time when they ant get a infomercial sold,
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cleary said:
He said "my play was shit". he does have a heavy accent, i'm good at hearing poeple with accents and putting it together, I have sopke to Karl 3 or 4 times for 30 minuts to an hour in the TAR booth at DCC and I had to have him repete some things several times, like my spelling its takes a bit of work to deal with, He is cocky and expected to win, Alex might have beat him worse, Karls break was far worse than mine, he had no shot to win. I like him and hope he takes a good lession from this, I was routing for Tony of course-I awalys want the American to win when its a international game, Tony played great and he is instroke for sure, after the first 4 games I was 90% sure he was gonna win.
frankncali said:
I would say a Race To Nine is a good match in Eight Ball. We have had matches this long in some prior World Eight Ball Championships.
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karl
hi
karls my best buddy in the pool world
i must say i was little surprised with his comments but obviously he was very upset...
i know he got respect for tony game who hasnt?
as for karl i was surprised he didnt prepare better for this match ,he seemed happy to just take vacation and looked jet lagged ,sun stroke tired, out of stroke big time.his hole game was way of, i couldnt believe the patterns he was taking and sometimes the wrong set of balls,and his break was real bad worse than mine hehe...
tony played steady and broke better and deserved to win but neither player played patterns too good...
probably the worst ive ever seen karl play it wasnt the player that bashed up orcullo 8-1 twice,bustamante,manolo,duele, and other big nmes on ipt...
shame really
but well done to tony great guy...
personal note i would love to get a match in future esp against the likes of reyes or sigel probably the best 2 players of all time!
darren appleton
hi
karls my best buddy in the pool world
i must say i was little surprised with his comments but obviously he was very upset...
i know he got respect for tony game who hasnt?
as for karl i was surprised he didnt prepare better for this match ,he seemed happy to just take vacation and looked jet lagged ,sun stroke tired, out of stroke big time.his hole game was way of, i couldnt believe the patterns he was taking and sometimes the wrong set of balls,and his break was real bad worse than mine hehe...
tony played steady and broke better and deserved to win but neither player played patterns too good...
probably the worst ive ever seen karl play it wasnt the player that bashed up orcullo 8-1 twice,bustamante,manolo,duele, and other big nmes on ipt...
shame really
but well done to tony great guy...
personal note i would love to get a match in future esp against the likes of reyes or sigel probably the best 2 players of all time!
darren appleton
i was going to post before i read all this but now im certainly going too..
first of all are use people well,i showed tony lots of respect when he played a great shot i applauded and said good shot.im not a bad sport far from it.i just speak whats on my mind.even if some words are swear words,im not going to act like someone im not,
after the match they asked me what i thought of tonys performance and i said i didnt think it was that good on the night.but it was alot better than mine,2years ago when i was playing on the ipt on that equipment i dont think i would of lost that match..i am allowed to think that as its my brain.tony is a great player i dont dispute that but i got to 12 and played the worst pool i have ever played due to a number of reasons.
1-not played on this equipment for 2years and it knocked my confidence in using the rails so i tried to stop shot balls and it messed my patterns up,i am a confidence player and i was not confident in the equipment,
2-broke like a idiot due to not playing 8ball for so long,and no i didnt practise because i thought why practise on a simonis 860
3-had abit of jetlag still and i was pretty tired.yes fatboy was sunburnt but i aint using this as a excuse im not like that.
maybe i didnt take it as serious as i should have but thats the way i am..6months of the year i go to the gym and practise and the other 6months i drink alot and dont practise lol but i am changing my ways,
if you look at the ipt stats and where im placed you can see i can play 8ball to a decent level.granted i admit im not the best pool player in the world but after only playing american pool for 3years i havnt done bad im only 25 and still learning american pool use guys have been playing along time and know the cueball and angles alot better.
8th ipt world open
3rd world pool championships
last 3 eurotours top 10 finishes
went 15matches unbeaten in world ipt open beating many top players.
obviously theres players who have achieved alot more than me and i respect that but in my mind if im confident and playing well i can beat anybody..
me and tony get on well and he knows im not a idiot and so do people who know me.
karl boyes
first of all are use people well,i showed tony lots of respect when he played a great shot i applauded and said good shot.im not a bad sport far from it.i just speak whats on my mind.even if some words are swear words,im not going to act like someone im not,
after the match they asked me what i thought of tonys performance and i said i didnt think it was that good on the night.but it was alot better than mine,2years ago when i was playing on the ipt on that equipment i dont think i would of lost that match..i am allowed to think that as its my brain.tony is a great player i dont dispute that but i got to 12 and played the worst pool i have ever played due to a number of reasons.
1-not played on this equipment for 2years and it knocked my confidence in using the rails so i tried to stop shot balls and it messed my patterns up,i am a confidence player and i was not confident in the equipment,
2-broke like a idiot due to not playing 8ball for so long,and no i didnt practise because i thought why practise on a simonis 860
3-had abit of jetlag still and i was pretty tired.yes fatboy was sunburnt but i aint using this as a excuse im not like that.
maybe i didnt take it as serious as i should have but thats the way i am..6months of the year i go to the gym and practise and the other 6months i drink alot and dont practise lol but i am changing my ways,
if you look at the ipt stats and where im placed you can see i can play 8ball to a decent level.granted i admit im not the best pool player in the world but after only playing american pool for 3years i havnt done bad im only 25 and still learning american pool use guys have been playing along time and know the cueball and angles alot better.
8th ipt world open
3rd world pool championships
last 3 eurotours top 10 finishes
went 15matches unbeaten in world ipt open beating many top players.
obviously theres players who have achieved alot more than me and i respect that but in my mind if im confident and playing well i can beat anybody..
me and tony get on well and he knows im not a idiot and so do people who know me.
karl boyes
GWAPO said:
Thanks for posting here Karl. That shows a lot of character. I sympathize with you and your lack of preparation for this match. It seems to be the norm for these IPT exhibition matches. Either one or both players show up unprepared for a serious match. There is really nothing on the line except pride, and you can't buy much tea with that. I suspect that if you were coming here to play in a major tournament (like the U.S. Open) you would be well prepared and play much better.
Pool for most players is a "confidence" game. We all play better when we feel good about our game and have had sufficient practice. I for one hope you will make it back over for this years U.S. Open. It's on the East Coast (much closer for you) and the prize money has gone up this year. Practice your 9-Ball and bring some of your mates.
By the way, next time you see Mike Sigel, let him know your name is Karl BOYES, not Boils. He butchered your name several times. At least he said Karl correctly :smile:. Oh, and let him know you are NOT a former snooker champion. He knows absolutely nothing about you!
Cheers!
gwapo
there were 2 of the most real people i know at the ipt challenge match joe rogan and you! you dont need to explain yourself to people that dont know you! if they think you were disrespectful then they dont know you! you speak whats on your mind and that is rare evan more so when a mic is in front of you! if the pool world had more people like you and joe we would be in better shape! you have a long pool career ahead of you and its gonna be a fun ride! i hope you let TAR come along. tony deserved the win and was a perfect gentelman! props to him on his win over a great player!GWAPO said:
frankncali said:
In the World Open IPT event, where Karl won about 16 matches in a row, he was using the same break as I recall, as were quite a few of the good breakers. That is, they were drawing back off the break, not trying to stop the ball as is normal for 9-ball. For whatever reason this seemed to get the balls running around a bit more at that time which is about all you can do in 8-ball to try to make a ball more often.
Karl had a very good B&R% in that event. He broke and ran 5 out of 8 against me and cleaned the table first visit in the other 3. Wish he had played like he did yesterday against me:angry: ....
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GWAPO said:
I could see those sliding rails were just killing you. They are dreadful to play on. Problem is they are hard to prepare for, coz even with the IPT cloth on a table the rails start to grip up like normal rails after a couple of weeks.
Playing with those slippery furry rails in like trying to play golf underwater
Though it was probably the break that really killed you. Hard to beat anyone when you're making a ball only 25%. That's just bad luck, no matter how badly you're breaking.
Can see why you were annoyed with the game. Good luck next time big fella. I'm sure we'll see some more big results soon.:grin:
Colin
GWAPO said:
It was still an interesting match to watch at times. You made some really good runouts. I think there was one where you had to position the cue ball real close to the bottom right pocket to pocket *I think the 4 ball*. Probably wasn't the best pool you have played but for people above the border, still good to see all kinds of players play. OH btw, I love your attitude with your pool equipment in that interview... "This here is my playing cue, it's a 5k.... whatever. And here is my breaker, BK2. That's it" The End.
Lets get a couple of things straight.
Mike should not commentate on a match when he knows nothing about the people playing in it.
Not only does he not know anything about the people playing in it, it is clear that he knows nothing about the current pool world. This to me is an absolute JOKE. It really really pissed me off, but this is nothing new he doesn't follow current events in pool or current players, he always butchers things. I mean its a joke during the regular IPT events, he would constantly talk about Marlon Manalo's break. Thats all fine and good. But then a guy like Larry Nevel would come and break way harder, in fact lots of guys did. And then he had nowhere to go with it. Like oh now this guy's break is amazing, oh oh now THIS guys break.....you get the idea.
Second, how quickly you all forget the regular IPT events. Karl dominated average pros like Tony. To me its obvious that he is an overall better player than Tony Robles. Tony played okay for a pro during the challenge match. But this was a rag tag thrown together exhibition.
If the IPT would have continued in a round robin format, Tony Robles would not have finished above Karl in any of the events. I mean lets get serious. Karl was clearly jet lagged, he looked tired. And although tired is an overlooked excuse, it shouldn't be underestimated. To me Tony played not so good, but good for him, Karl played Horrible, and extremely horrible for him, you put that together, and you get a squeaked out win for Tony.
Mike should not commentate on a match when he knows nothing about the people playing in it.
Not only does he not know anything about the people playing in it, it is clear that he knows nothing about the current pool world. This to me is an absolute JOKE. It really really pissed me off, but this is nothing new he doesn't follow current events in pool or current players, he always butchers things. I mean its a joke during the regular IPT events, he would constantly talk about Marlon Manalo's break. Thats all fine and good. But then a guy like Larry Nevel would come and break way harder, in fact lots of guys did. And then he had nowhere to go with it. Like oh now this guy's break is amazing, oh oh now THIS guys break.....you get the idea.
Second, how quickly you all forget the regular IPT events. Karl dominated average pros like Tony. To me its obvious that he is an overall better player than Tony Robles. Tony played okay for a pro during the challenge match. But this was a rag tag thrown together exhibition.
If the IPT would have continued in a round robin format, Tony Robles would not have finished above Karl in any of the events. I mean lets get serious. Karl was clearly jet lagged, he looked tired. And although tired is an overlooked excuse, it shouldn't be underestimated. To me Tony played not so good, but good for him, Karl played Horrible, and extremely horrible for him, you put that together, and you get a squeaked out win for Tony.
RunoutalloverU said:
Looks like you got some beef with Tony. A win's a win and at the end of the day, you only remember who won. Both players were not playing their best but saying Tony squeaked a win out is a bold statement. In Tony's defense, he isn't the strongest 8-ball player since he plays more 9-ball as of late. I enjoyed the match from both players and hope to see more new faces on the IPT.